RE: [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

[Turner, Ryan H]

Seconded…  So many other things could be said, but many of them are not very 
nice.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Johnston, Ryan
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 1:18 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone 
connected?

Jeff,

For some of us the Starbucks equivalency statement doesn’t fit.  I’m 
specifically in a situation where I do not want to give anyone and everyone 
easy access to our network.  Half of our campus is situated in downtown Chicago 
amongst all the high-rises and tourist locations.  I do not want our network 
used by the multitude of Chicago tourists or business neighbors that can hear 
my network.  Our fear is that having that many unsolicited users would degrade 
the network quality significantly.  I hope the future of network access still 
leaves room for those that need that control over a guest network.  I would 
have a completely different outlook if I was located in a remote college town.


Ryan

--
Ryan Johnston he/him/his
Associate Director of Infrastructure
DePaul University
55 E Jackson Blvd | Chicago, Illinois 60604
https://www.depaul.edu |  https://helpdesk.depaul.edu

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 11:46 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

I’m not trying to get out of a business, but Internet2 could eventually get out 
of the radius/eduroam business. Unless I’m mistaken, at the point an 
institution federates directly with openroaming, the need for eduroam 
diminishes. Obviously it’s going to take time, but if there is a push to adopt 
openroaming in EDU, then in say five years, does eduroam have a future?

On the identity front… As we march toward a cloud-based future, and our WiFi 
networks transformed into simple gateways to the internet, how much information 
do we need/want? How much information should we collect? After all, if the 
service is no different than at Starbucks, what does the collection of more 
information do for us?

Jeff

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Tim Cappalli
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 9:09 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

What business are you trying to get out of specifically? OpenRoaming is a way 
for federations of organizations and/or individual organizations to 
interconnect. Eduroam would start to mean “less” to end users, as they wouldn’t 
see an “eduroam” ESSID anymore, but there is still value in a trust framework 
for educational organizations, especially when it comes to identity.

If you decide not to provision users with your university identity, you will 
likely have no access to that users real identity. I imagine you still want 
access to identity for your own users and devices?

At its core, OR is simply a few extra elements in the profile that gets put on 
the device provisioning. OR itself, also does not provide client provisioning. 
You still need to do that, or pay for a service that will do it.

I think, personally, that there is a major lack of understanding throughout the 
industry of what OR actually is.

tim

From: Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 11:56
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

Why not the other way around, and standardize on OpenRoaming, and have 
everything else become a member of it? Do we still need eduroam at that point? 
Do we care if the client device is using their ATT, Spectrum, or college 
credentials?

I’m reminded that in EDU we often fix problems nobody cared much about at the 
time e.g. eduroam, but as the world matures, and there are perhaps better 
alternatives, why not get out of the business?  There are costs to operate 
eduroam, and if it’s no longer strategic or different from other services e.g. 
OpenRoaming, why not put those resources into something that is strategic and a 
differentiator?  Why wouldn’t Internet2 and its members focus on adoption of 
OpenRoaming rather than a new and possibly duplicative service like anyroam?

Jeff



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 7:20 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

At least for the US, we plan to have an Open-Roaming gateway at ANYROAM.
We became member of the 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

[Philippe Hanset]

I forgot to finish one line

-I want eduroam for privileged access and other guests get free open-access 
with less resources. I will just use WPA3 Wi-Fi protected access for 
Open-Access, no hassle, encryption, no complicated roaming needed.

> On Aug 17, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Philippe Hanset 
> <005cd62f91b7-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu> wrote:
> 
> Why not indeed ?
> 
> If I go back to my WLAN manager hat I would think:
> -Not everyone has an account with a commercial provider (and even if I do, my 
> kids do not)
> -I would like to give a different style of access to the EDU community in 
> General (I do not want thousands of lines of domains in my RADIUS 
> filters…this domain OK, this domain less OK, etc…)
> -Privacy is always a concern (Open-Roaming is in the hands of commercial 
> companies (WBA voting members). Internet2 and eduroam Policies are very 
> protective of the EDU users for privacy purposes.
> -I have a small school and I’m not ready with Radsec and CUI (required for 
> Open-Roaming). Please give a gateway that does no force me to upgrade yet, I 
> do not have the budget, or the expertise.
> -I want eduroam for privilege access otherwise 
> 
> On the ANYROAM front, as Tim Cappalli Highlighted, Open-Roaming is not a 
> federation by itself. Everyone will still need an interconnection to join 
> Open-Roaming (not a standard BTW, a Cisco initiative that the WBA inherited).
> ANYROAM will be one of them, and there will be many others.
> 
> The same goes for Identities: you can have one from a school, or/and one from 
> an Internet or Phone provider. What if you want a neutral one that is not 
> related to a paid for service (School, Phone Company, Broadband …)
> Just like email that used to be connected to a service in its early stage, 
> there is a need for neutral provisioning (Hotmail, Gmail, etc.. did that for 
> email, there might be the same need for Wi-Fi access).
> 
> Time will tell :)
> 
> Philippe
> 
> Philippe Hanset, CEO
> www.anyroam.net 
> Operator of eduroam-US
> +1 (865) 236-0770
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 17, 2020, at 11:56 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler > > wrote:
>> 
>> Why not the other way around, and standardize on OpenRoaming, and have 
>> everything else become a member of it? Do we still need eduroam at that 
>> point? Do we care if the client device is using their ATT, Spectrum, or 
>> college credentials?
>>  
>> I’m reminded that in EDU we often fix problems nobody cared much about at 
>> the time e.g. eduroam, but as the world matures, and there are perhaps 
>> better alternatives, why not get out of the business?  There are costs to 
>> operate eduroam, and if it’s no longer strategic or different from other 
>> services e.g.OpenRoaming, why not put those resources into something that is 
>> strategic and a differentiator?  Why wouldn’t Internet2 and its members 
>> focus on adoption of OpenRoaming rather than a new and possibly duplicative 
>> service like anyroam? 
>>  
>> Jeff
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
>> > > On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset
>> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 7:20 PM
>> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?
>>  
>> At least for the US, we plan to have an Open-Roaming gateway at ANYROAM.
>> We became member of the WBA for that purpose back in May 2020.
>>  
>> The idea is to simplify connectivity for schools:  you have one connection 
>> with ANYROAM, and all your roaming traffic 
>> is sorted by us (Open-Roaming, eduroam, Govroam, …). No need to be turn your 
>> school’s RADIUS server into a complex gateway. 
>>  
>> We are working on a document that we will post at anyroam.net 
>>  in a few weeks.
>>  
>> Thanks,
>>  
>> Philippe
>>  
>> Philippe Hanset, CEO
>> www.anyroam.net 
>> Operator of eduroam-US
>> +1 (865) 236-0770
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 16, 2020, at 9:19 PM, Phill Solomon 
>> <0150915d379b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu 
>> > wrote:
>>  
>> Hello all,
>>  
>> One of the items on the radar for us is OpenRoaming, is there anyone 
>> connected, or looking into connecting?
>>  
>> And if you are connected are you using it as an extension for students / 
>> staff or just for visitors.?
>>  
>> Thanks in advance,
>>  
>> Kind regards,
>>  
>> Phill Solomon
>> Senior Network Engineer
>> IS - AV & Networks
>> ICT Infrastructure Services, eSolutions
>> Planned Leave: NA
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> Deakin University
>> 301 Burwood Highway, Burwood
>> VIC 3125, Australia.
>> ( Phone: +61 3 924 46069 
>> : E-mail: phill.solo...@deakin.edu.au 
>> 
>>  
>> Deakin University CRICOS Provider Code 00113B
>>  
>> Important Notice: The contents of 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

[Philippe Hanset]

Why not indeed ?

If I go back to my WLAN manager hat I would think:
-Not everyone has an account with a commercial provider (and even if I do, my 
kids do not)
-I would like to give a different style of access to the EDU community in 
General (I do not want thousands of lines of domains in my RADIUS filters…this 
domain OK, this domain less OK, etc…)
-Privacy is always a concern (Open-Roaming is in the hands of commercial 
companies (WBA voting members). Internet2 and eduroam Policies are very 
protective of the EDU users for privacy purposes.
-I have a small school and I’m not ready with Radsec and CUI (required for 
Open-Roaming). Please give a gateway that does no force me to upgrade yet, I do 
not have the budget, or the expertise.
-I want eduroam for privilege access otherwise 

On the ANYROAM front, as Tim Cappalli Highlighted, Open-Roaming is not a 
federation by itself. Everyone will still need an interconnection to join 
Open-Roaming (not a standard BTW, a Cisco initiative that the WBA inherited).
ANYROAM will be one of them, and there will be many others.

The same goes for Identities: you can have one from a school, or/and one from 
an Internet or Phone provider. What if you want a neutral one that is not 
related to a paid for service (School, Phone Company, Broadband …)
Just like email that used to be connected to a service in its early stage, 
there is a need for neutral provisioning (Hotmail, Gmail, etc.. did that for 
email, there might be the same need for Wi-Fi access).

Time will tell :)

Philippe

Philippe Hanset, CEO
www.anyroam.net
Operator of eduroam-US
+1 (865) 236-0770



> On Aug 17, 2020, at 11:56 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler  
> wrote:
> 
> Why not the other way around, and standardize on OpenRoaming, and have 
> everything else become a member of it? Do we still need eduroam at that 
> point? Do we care if the client device is using their ATT, Spectrum, or 
> college credentials?
>  
> I’m reminded that in EDU we often fix problems nobody cared much about at the 
> time e.g. eduroam, but as the world matures, and there are perhaps better 
> alternatives, why not get out of the business?  There are costs to operate 
> eduroam, and if it’s no longer strategic or different from other services 
> e.g.OpenRoaming, why not put those resources into something that is strategic 
> and a differentiator?  Why wouldn’t Internet2 and its members focus on 
> adoption of OpenRoaming rather than a new and possibly duplicative service 
> like anyroam? 
>  
> Jeff
>  
>  
>  
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
>  > On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset
> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 7:20 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
> 
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?
>  
> At least for the US, we plan to have an Open-Roaming gateway at ANYROAM.
> We became member of the WBA for that purpose back in May 2020.
>  
> The idea is to simplify connectivity for schools:  you have one connection 
> with ANYROAM, and all your roaming traffic 
> is sorted by us (Open-Roaming, eduroam, Govroam, …). No need to be turn your 
> school’s RADIUS server into a complex gateway. 
>  
> We are working on a document that we will post at anyroam.net 
>  in a few weeks.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Philippe
>  
> Philippe Hanset, CEO
> www.anyroam.net 
> Operator of eduroam-US
> +1 (865) 236-0770
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 16, 2020, at 9:19 PM, Phill Solomon 
> <0150915d379b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu 
> > wrote:
>  
> Hello all,
>  
> One of the items on the radar for us is OpenRoaming, is there anyone 
> connected, or looking into connecting?
>  
> And if you are connected are you using it as an extension for students / 
> staff or just for visitors.?
>  
> Thanks in advance,
>  
> Kind regards,
>  
> Phill Solomon
> Senior Network Engineer
> IS - AV & Networks
> ICT Infrastructure Services, eSolutions
> Planned Leave: NA
>  
> 
>  
> Deakin University
> 301 Burwood Highway, Burwood
> VIC 3125, Australia.
> ( Phone: +61 3 924 46069 
> : E-mail: phill.solo...@deakin.edu.au 
> 
>  
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RE: [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

[Johnston, Ryan]

Jeff,

For some of us the Starbucks equivalency statement doesn’t fit.  I’m 
specifically in a situation where I do not want to give anyone and everyone 
easy access to our network.  Half of our campus is situated in downtown Chicago 
amongst all the high-rises and tourist locations.  I do not want our network 
used by the multitude of Chicago tourists or business neighbors that can hear 
my network.  Our fear is that having that many unsolicited users would degrade 
the network quality significantly.  I hope the future of network access still 
leaves room for those that need that control over a guest network.  I would 
have a completely different outlook if I was located in a remote college town.


Ryan

--
Ryan Johnston he/him/his
Associate Director of Infrastructure
DePaul University
55 E Jackson Blvd | Chicago, Illinois 60604
https://www.depaul.edu |  https://helpdesk.depaul.edu

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 11:46 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

I’m not trying to get out of a business, but Internet2 could eventually get out 
of the radius/eduroam business. Unless I’m mistaken, at the point an 
institution federates directly with openroaming, the need for eduroam 
diminishes. Obviously it’s going to take time, but if there is a push to adopt 
openroaming in EDU, then in say five years, does eduroam have a future?

On the identity front… As we march toward a cloud-based future, and our WiFi 
networks transformed into simple gateways to the internet, how much information 
do we need/want? How much information should we collect? After all, if the 
service is no different than at Starbucks, what does the collection of more 
information do for us?

Jeff

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Tim Cappalli
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 9:09 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

What business are you trying to get out of specifically? OpenRoaming is a way 
for federations of organizations and/or individual organizations to 
interconnect. Eduroam would start to mean “less” to end users, as they wouldn’t 
see an “eduroam” ESSID anymore, but there is still value in a trust framework 
for educational organizations, especially when it comes to identity.

If you decide not to provision users with your university identity, you will 
likely have no access to that users real identity. I imagine you still want 
access to identity for your own users and devices?

At its core, OR is simply a few extra elements in the profile that gets put on 
the device provisioning. OR itself, also does not provide client provisioning. 
You still need to do that, or pay for a service that will do it.

I think, personally, that there is a major lack of understanding throughout the 
industry of what OR actually is.

tim

From: Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 11:56
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

Why not the other way around, and standardize on OpenRoaming, and have 
everything else become a member of it? Do we still need eduroam at that point? 
Do we care if the client device is using their ATT, Spectrum, or college 
credentials?

I’m reminded that in EDU we often fix problems nobody cared much about at the 
time e.g. eduroam, but as the world matures, and there are perhaps better 
alternatives, why not get out of the business?  There are costs to operate 
eduroam, and if it’s no longer strategic or different from other services e.g. 
OpenRoaming, why not put those resources into something that is strategic and a 
differentiator?  Why wouldn’t Internet2 and its members focus on adoption of 
OpenRoaming rather than a new and possibly duplicative service like anyroam?

Jeff



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 7:20 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

At least for the US, we plan to have an Open-Roaming gateway at ANYROAM.
We became member of the WBA for that purpose back in May 2020.

The idea is to simplify connectivity for schools:  you have one connection with 
ANYROAM, and all your roaming traffic
is sorted by us (Open-Roaming, eduroam, Govroam, …). No need to be turn your 
school’s RADIUS server into a complex gateway.

We are working on a document that we will post at 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

[Tim Cappalli]

I don’t see eduroam dissolving. Each vendor’s implementation of OpenRoaming 
(assuming they integrate) is going to vary and may have cost impact. AFAIK, one 
large wireless vendor requires a very expensive subscription / platform in 
order to interconnect. If the eduroam US TLRS can handle all of that without 
need a bunch of extra stuff, that sounds like a better option.

RE: Identity

I think one very prominent use case is that residential campuses will continue 
to need some form of personal area network functionality to deal with home 
devices. You really need some form of resolvable user identity to address that.

And given some of the reactions in the previous thread about MAC randomization, 
I really don’t think people are willing to give up access to their own user’s 
identities on their campus (just my unscientific analysis )

I think its always important to separate Faculty/Staff/Non-Resident students 
from residential students. They expect drastically difference experiences.

tim


From: Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 12:45
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

I’m not trying to get out of a business, but Internet2 could eventually get out 
of the radius/eduroam business. Unless I’m mistaken, at the point an 
institution federates directly with openroaming, the need for eduroam 
diminishes. Obviously it’s going to take time, but if there is a push to adopt 
openroaming in EDU, then in say five years, does eduroam have a future?

On the identity front… As we march toward a cloud-based future, and our WiFi 
networks transformed into simple gateways to the internet, how much information 
do we need/want? How much information should we collect? After all, if the 
service is no different than at Starbucks, what does the collection of more 
information do for us?

Jeff

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Tim Cappalli
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 9:09 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

What business are you trying to get out of specifically? OpenRoaming is a way 
for federations of organizations and/or individual organizations to 
interconnect. Eduroam would start to mean “less” to end users, as they wouldn’t 
see an “eduroam” ESSID anymore, but there is still value in a trust framework 
for educational organizations, especially when it comes to identity.

If you decide not to provision users with your university identity, you will 
likely have no access to that users real identity. I imagine you still want 
access to identity for your own users and devices?

At its core, OR is simply a few extra elements in the profile that gets put on 
the device provisioning. OR itself, also does not provide client provisioning. 
You still need to do that, or pay for a service that will do it.

I think, personally, that there is a major lack of understanding throughout the 
industry of what OR actually is.

tim

From: Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 11:56
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

Why not the other way around, and standardize on OpenRoaming, and have 
everything else become a member of it? Do we still need eduroam at that point? 
Do we care if the client device is using their ATT, Spectrum, or college 
credentials?

I’m reminded that in EDU we often fix problems nobody cared much about at the 
time e.g. eduroam, but as the world matures, and there are perhaps better 
alternatives, why not get out of the business?  There are costs to operate 
eduroam, and if it’s no longer strategic or different from other services e.g. 
OpenRoaming, why not put those resources into something that is strategic and a 
differentiator?  Why wouldn’t Internet2 and its members focus on adoption of 
OpenRoaming rather than a new and possibly duplicative service like anyroam?

Jeff



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 7:20 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

At least for the US, we plan to have an Open-Roaming gateway at ANYROAM.
We became member of the WBA for that purpose back in May 2020.

The idea is to simplify connectivity for schools:  you have one connection with 
ANYROAM, and all your roaming traffic
is sorted by us (Open-Roaming, eduroam, Govroam, …). No need to be turn your 
school’s RADIUS server into a complex gateway.

We are working on a document that we will post at 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

[Jeffrey D. Sessler]

I’m not trying to get out of a business, but Internet2 could eventually get out 
of the radius/eduroam business. Unless I’m mistaken, at the point an 
institution federates directly with openroaming, the need for eduroam 
diminishes. Obviously it’s going to take time, but if there is a push to adopt 
openroaming in EDU, then in say five years, does eduroam have a future?

On the identity front… As we march toward a cloud-based future, and our WiFi 
networks transformed into simple gateways to the internet, how much information 
do we need/want? How much information should we collect? After all, if the 
service is no different than at Starbucks, what does the collection of more 
information do for us?

Jeff

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Tim Cappalli
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 9:09 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

What business are you trying to get out of specifically? OpenRoaming is a way 
for federations of organizations and/or individual organizations to 
interconnect. Eduroam would start to mean “less” to end users, as they wouldn’t 
see an “eduroam” ESSID anymore, but there is still value in a trust framework 
for educational organizations, especially when it comes to identity.

If you decide not to provision users with your university identity, you will 
likely have no access to that users real identity. I imagine you still want 
access to identity for your own users and devices?

At its core, OR is simply a few extra elements in the profile that gets put on 
the device provisioning. OR itself, also does not provide client provisioning. 
You still need to do that, or pay for a service that will do it.

I think, personally, that there is a major lack of understanding throughout the 
industry of what OR actually is.

tim

From: Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 11:56
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

Why not the other way around, and standardize on OpenRoaming, and have 
everything else become a member of it? Do we still need eduroam at that point? 
Do we care if the client device is using their ATT, Spectrum, or college 
credentials?

I’m reminded that in EDU we often fix problems nobody cared much about at the 
time e.g. eduroam, but as the world matures, and there are perhaps better 
alternatives, why not get out of the business?  There are costs to operate 
eduroam, and if it’s no longer strategic or different from other services e.g. 
OpenRoaming, why not put those resources into something that is strategic and a 
differentiator?  Why wouldn’t Internet2 and its members focus on adoption of 
OpenRoaming rather than a new and possibly duplicative service like anyroam?

Jeff



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 7:20 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

At least for the US, we plan to have an Open-Roaming gateway at ANYROAM.
We became member of the WBA for that purpose back in May 2020.

The idea is to simplify connectivity for schools:  you have one connection with 
ANYROAM, and all your roaming traffic
is sorted by us (Open-Roaming, eduroam, Govroam, …). No need to be turn your 
school’s RADIUS server into a complex gateway.

We are working on a document that we will post at 
anyroam.net
 in a few weeks.

Thanks,

Philippe

Philippe Hanset, CEO
www.anyroam.net
Operator of eduroam-US
+1 (865) 236-0770




On Aug 16, 2020, at 9:19 PM, Phill Solomon 
<0150915d379b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu>
 wrote:

Hello all,

One of the items on the radar for us is OpenRoaming, is there anyone connected, 
or looking into connecting?

And if you are connected are you using it as an extension for students / staff 
or just for visitors.?

Thanks in advance,

Kind regards,

Phill Solomon
Senior Network Engineer
IS - AV & Networks
ICT Infrastructure Services, eSolutions
Planned Leave: NA



Deakin University
301 Burwood Highway, Burwood
VIC 3125, Australia.
• Phone: +61 3 924 46069 
• E-mail: 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

[Tim Cappalli]

What business are you trying to get out of specifically? OpenRoaming is a way 
for federations of organizations and/or individual organizations to 
interconnect. Eduroam would start to mean “less” to end users, as they wouldn’t 
see an “eduroam” ESSID anymore, but there is still value in a trust framework 
for educational organizations, especially when it comes to identity.

If you decide not to provision users with your university identity, you will 
likely have no access to that users real identity. I imagine you still want 
access to identity for your own users and devices?

At its core, OR is simply a few extra elements in the profile that gets put on 
the device provisioning. OR itself, also does not provide client provisioning. 
You still need to do that, or pay for a service that will do it.

I think, personally, that there is a major lack of understanding throughout the 
industry of what OR actually is.

tim

From: Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 11:56
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

Why not the other way around, and standardize on OpenRoaming, and have 
everything else become a member of it? Do we still need eduroam at that point? 
Do we care if the client device is using their ATT, Spectrum, or college 
credentials?

I’m reminded that in EDU we often fix problems nobody cared much about at the 
time e.g. eduroam, but as the world matures, and there are perhaps better 
alternatives, why not get out of the business?  There are costs to operate 
eduroam, and if it’s no longer strategic or different from other services e.g. 
OpenRoaming, why not put those resources into something that is strategic and a 
differentiator?  Why wouldn’t Internet2 and its members focus on adoption of 
OpenRoaming rather than a new and possibly duplicative service like anyroam?

Jeff



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 7:20 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

At least for the US, we plan to have an Open-Roaming gateway at ANYROAM.
We became member of the WBA for that purpose back in May 2020.

The idea is to simplify connectivity for schools:  you have one connection with 
ANYROAM, and all your roaming traffic
is sorted by us (Open-Roaming, eduroam, Govroam, …). No need to be turn your 
school’s RADIUS server into a complex gateway.

We are working on a document that we will post at 
anyroam.net
 in a few weeks.

Thanks,

Philippe

Philippe Hanset, CEO
www.anyroam.net
Operator of eduroam-US
+1 (865) 236-0770






On Aug 16, 2020, at 9:19 PM, Phill Solomon 
<0150915d379b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu>
 wrote:

Hello all,

One of the items on the radar for us is OpenRoaming, is there anyone connected, 
or looking into connecting?

And if you are connected are you using it as an extension for students / staff 
or just for visitors.?

Thanks in advance,

Kind regards,

Phill Solomon
Senior Network Engineer
IS - AV & Networks
ICT Infrastructure Services, eSolutions
Planned Leave: NA



Deakin University
301 Burwood Highway, Burwood
VIC 3125, Australia.
• Phone: +61 3 924 46069 
• E-mail: 
phill.solo...@deakin.edu.au

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

[Jeffrey D. Sessler]

Why not the other way around, and standardize on OpenRoaming, and have 
everything else become a member of it? Do we still need eduroam at that point? 
Do we care if the client device is using their ATT, Spectrum, or college 
credentials?

I’m reminded that in EDU we often fix problems nobody cared much about at the 
time e.g. eduroam, but as the world matures, and there are perhaps better 
alternatives, why not get out of the business?  There are costs to operate 
eduroam, and if it’s no longer strategic or different from other services e.g. 
OpenRoaming, why not put those resources into something that is strategic and a 
differentiator?  Why wouldn’t Internet2 and its members focus on adoption of 
OpenRoaming rather than a new and possibly duplicative service like anyroam?

Jeff



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 7:20 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Openroaming - anyone connected?

At least for the US, we plan to have an Open-Roaming gateway at ANYROAM.
We became member of the WBA for that purpose back in May 2020.

The idea is to simplify connectivity for schools:  you have one connection with 
ANYROAM, and all your roaming traffic
is sorted by us (Open-Roaming, eduroam, Govroam, …). No need to be turn your 
school’s RADIUS server into a complex gateway.

We are working on a document that we will post at 
anyroam.net in a few weeks.

Thanks,

Philippe

Philippe Hanset, CEO
www.anyroam.net
Operator of eduroam-US
+1 (865) 236-0770






On Aug 16, 2020, at 9:19 PM, Phill Solomon 
<0150915d379b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu>
 wrote:

Hello all,

One of the items on the radar for us is OpenRoaming, is there anyone connected, 
or looking into connecting?

And if you are connected are you using it as an extension for students / staff 
or just for visitors.?

Thanks in advance,

Kind regards,

Phill Solomon
Senior Network Engineer
IS - AV & Networks
ICT Infrastructure Services, eSolutions
Planned Leave: NA



Deakin University
301 Burwood Highway, Burwood
VIC 3125, Australia.
• Phone: +61 3 924 46069 
• E-mail: 
phill.solo...@deakin.edu.au

Deakin University CRICOS Provider Code 00113B

Important Notice: The contents of this email are intended solely for the named 
addressee and are confidential; any unauthorised use, reproduction or storage 
of the contents is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in 
error, please delete it and any attachments immediately and advise the sender 
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Deakin University does not warrant that this email and any attachments are 
error or virus free.


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addressee and are confidential; any unauthorised use, reproduction or storage 
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