RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Websites inaccessible from wireless network - Aruba

[Norman Mourtada]

With 8.6.0.9, no issues.

(Aruba7220-MC-05) *#show datapath session | include 35.186.224.25
35.186.224.25 172.16.122.193  6443   58612  0/0 024  3   tunnel 
2306 a5   69 11747  17
172.16.126.14335.186.224.25   665364 4430/0 024  0   tunnel 
1718 1a   29 3592   TC  26
172.18.91.115 35.186.224.25   656982 4430/0 00   0   tunnel 
1102 505  14524120  C   29
172.16.174.33 35.186.224.25   654373 4430/0 024  0   tunnel 
2773 6da  9576   1018764TC  21
35.186.224.25 172.16.166.198  6443   60052  0/0 024  1   tunnel 
133  de   371269692 31
172.16.172.51 35.186.224.25   663940 4430/0 024  3   tunnel 
862  5c   17 2849   TC  30
172.19.90.133 35.186.224.25   654371 4430/0 024  0   tunnel 
1509 890  16133426  TC  18
172.19.91.45  35.186.224.25   662292 4430/0 024  2   tunnel 
1630 4d   14 2502   TC  27
35.186.224.25 172.16.166.198  6443   60050  0/0 024  14  tunnel 
133  de   24 8727   31
172.16.176.74 35.186.224.25   658973 4430/0 024  2   tunnel 
1964 236  35 5322   TC  16
172.16.176.19335.186.224.25   661015 4430/0 024  1   tunnel 
2160 10   44 15853  FTC 20

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Websites inaccessible from wireless 
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Not seeing that issue here.  We are on 8.7.1.4

(aruba-controller-1) #show datapath session | include 35.186.224.25
35.186.224.25 138.236.104.67  6443   64918  0/0 01   1   tunnel 
6347 3cc  30750335  15
138.236.82.47 35.186.224.25   657491 4430/0 00   4   tunnel 
5540 382  179117595 C   30
35.186.224.25 138.236.248.10  6443   54342  0/0 01   1   tunnel 
972  e20916359  23
35.186.224.25 138.236.82.47   6443   57491  0/0 01   4   tunnel 
5540 382  18945940  30
138.236.104.6735.186.224.25   664918 4430/0 00   1   tunnel 
6347 3cd  34538357  C   29
35.186.224.25 138.236.232.120 6443   61505  0/0 01   0   tunnel 
7052 c15149165  22
138.236.250.8535.186.224.25   654833 4430/0 00   1   tunnel 
2686 1a   57 16206  C   27
35.186.224.25 138.236.251.120 6443   51735  0/0 01   1   tunnel 
7060 829 3140   F   13
138.236.250.8535.186.224.25   654834 4430/0 00   2   tunnel 
2686 18   152179792 C   27

--Dan

On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 9:40 AM Sidharth Nandury 
mailto:nandu...@denison.edu>> wrote:
Hi All,

Since last Monday we have seen a couple of different websites being blocked on 
our Aruba wireless controllers. Spotify has been one of the sites, as well as 
all websites hosted on IP 23.185.0.1 (which is our main institution website - 
denison.edu). We can confirm that this is being blocked as 
we see the "D" (Deny) Flag on the wireless controller. Below is an example of 
traffic being blocked to Spotify. Is anyone suing Aruba AOS 8 controllers 
seeing this?


(wlc-Thor) #show datapath session | include 35.186.224.25

Source IP or MAC  Destination IP  Prot SPort DPort Cntr Prio ToS Age 
Destination TAge PacketsBytes  Flags   CPU ID

- ---  - -   --- --- 
---  -- -- --- ---

10.143.203.26 35.186.224.25   652082 4430/0 00   0   tunnel 
640  10  0  FDYCA   21

10.143.195.85 35.186.224.25   659767 4430/0 00   0   tunnel 
5357 00  0  FDYCA   27

10.143.225.17835.186.224.25   652292 4430/0 00   0   tunnel 
6753 10  0  FDYCA   19

10.143.195.85 35.186.224.25   659766 4430/0 00   0   tunnel 
5357 10  0  FDYCA   27



(wlc-Thor) #show datapath session | include 23.185.0.1
10.143.228.16 23.185.0.1  659500 4430/0 00   0   tunnel 
16789 a0  0  FDYCA   18
10.143.244.15123.185.0.1  658758 4430/0 00   0   

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] MPSK SSID Names

[Norman Mourtada]

We did the same using MPSK SSID as SU_IoT for a new dorm connecting all the in 
room wifi thermostats uploading all their MAC addresses with one password via 
Clearpass.

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 On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 4:25 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MPSK SSID Names

It’s not MPSK, but we have a similar purpose dorm WLAN called Gadgets


Lee Badman (mobile)


On Jun 8, 2021, at 4:22 PM, Christopher H Ressel 
mailto:cres...@unr.edu>> wrote:

We marketed MPSK as a solution for IOT clients so we named ours UNR-IOT. It 
seems to have been self-explanatory enough as we haven’t had much user 
confusion.

Chris

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of Brian Helman 
mailto:bhel...@salemstate.edu>>
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 12:04 PM
To: 
"WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] MPSK SSID Names

Anyone using Aruba’s (or if other manufacturers have a similar feature) MPSK 
service?  What did you use for an SSID – looking for naming ideas.

-Brian


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RE: [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba Hospitality Access Points

[Norman Mourtada]

We at Suffolk University we do the same with AP-205H and newer AP-303H one in 
each dorm room with 2 wired ports available on each AP for gaming wired 
connectivity. With over 1100 deployed over the last 5 years with minimal 
failures. Our config is mostly 5GHz and very happy with the results.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Michael Cole
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 4:32 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba Hospitality Access Points

We’ve used a lot more of the hospitality models than standard access 
points, for us, 225’s.   We try to put one in each student’s room for a double 
or a single.  It gives their 10 or so devices a home, and provides wired 
interfaces if they want/ need to use them.  This also provides decent coverage 
is one goes down in a room, the rooms around them pick up the traffic.  The 
failure rate over the past 5 years has been very minimal, and we’ve been very 
happy with them, vice putting one access point in an area for a suite, or 4-6 
rooms devices to connect to it.  We getting ready to do a refresh of access 
points and will put even more of the hospitality units in, in houses/and a Dorm 
we didn’t put them in on the original install.

Mike



Michael A. Cole
Manager of Network Operations
Information Technology Services
Carlson Hall, 950 Main st
Worcester, MA  01610
(508) 793 7772



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Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2020 4:26 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba Hospitality Access Points

Hi Everyone,

I've been following some of the various discussions where people have mentioned 
using Aruba's hospitality access points and I e-mailed our vendor who we use 
about them to compare them with the IAP 215 units we deployed a few years ago 
in our residence halls.

I didn't seem to get a good explanation so now I'm asking this group.

For those who have deployed the hospitality access points, how do they differ 
from an Aruba you would put in an academic/administrative building?

Do you find you are putting more of them into a residence hall?

I'd toy with the idea of possibly swapping the IAP-215 units with hospitality 
units if the numbers were similar and we could move the IAP-215 units into one 
of our buildings with legacy Arubas although from what I think I'm reading, it 
looks like some of you are putting more into the residence halls than we have 
put (it's definitely not one access point for every one or two rooms based on 
the heat maps that were done).

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Ron Loneker, Jr.
Director, IT Special Projects
College of Saint Elizabeth
Mahoney Library
2 Convent Road
Morristown, NJ  07960

Phone:  973-290-4229

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba OS 6.5.X

[Norman Mourtada]

Suffolk University in Boston is also running ArubaOS 6.5.4.0 to support model 
AP303H and have had no issues so far. We have over 1600 APs deployed a mix of 
AP105, AP135, AP225, AP325 and AP303H.


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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Wesley Troy Scott
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 10:42 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba OS 6.5.X


University of Wyoming is also running 6.5.4.0 and ran into bug 162521. We 
worked with TAC and have a workaround in place. Except for that it has been 
good and it allowed us to bring up some 360 series waps.


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> 
on behalf of Michael Hulko >
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 6:00:23 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba OS 6.5.X

We are experiencing the exact same issues across our controllers.  We upgraded 
in August to bring the AP300 series Aps online.  We have been in communication 
with TAC and there is a new release tomorrow to address the STM crashes... no 
word yet on the radar events.  I have not opened the can on the AP103H reboots 
that are constantly plaguing us.  WE are running 6.5.4.0 as it was recommended 
by TAC at the time to resolve the radar events.



On Sep 21, 2017, at 5:14 PM, Amel Caldwell > 
wrote:

Hi y'all-

We have depleted our supply of AP 215s and are wanting to begin installing AP 
315s on our campus and have been having a hard time finding stable 6.5.X code.  
Our school starts next week, and we just had a failed attempt at rolling out 
6.5.1.8 because we saw dozens of radar detected events right after upgrading.  
This was the fourth version of 6.5.1.x we have tried to put on this particular 
set of controllers and each has brought a new set of issue; STM crash and cause 
APs to lose contact with controller; AMON not sending firewall session data; 
radar detection events; LACP and VRRP problems to name a few.

Since most of you have been back in session for a month or so, I thought I 
would ask to see what code version you have, issues you may have experienced, 
and any war stories you might want to share.  It would also be interesting to 
know what types of APs and controllers, and a brief description of your 
environment.

Thanks

Amel Caldwell
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba AP Models - 315 vs 325

[Norman Mourtada]

Every room.

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve Hess
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 10:05 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba AP Models - 315 vs 325

90% of my dorms have Cat5 cabling running in cable tray along outside walls so 
the cable isn’t quite up to par and not easily moved to more advantageous 
locations for AP’s.   I’m going to be re-cabling to get them out of the 
hallways.  Are you planning every room deployment of the 303’s or every other?


Steve


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 On Behalf Of Norman Mourtada
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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba AP Models - 315 vs 325

If these are for dorm rooms, did you take a look at the new aruba 303H APs for 
hospitality. At Suffolk university we are planning to install these in our dorm 
rooms this summer, wall mount using existing cat6 cables.
Price is affordable at list of $495. See datasheet 
http://www.arubanetworks.com/assets/ds/DS_AP303H.pdf

Norm

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve Hess
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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba AP Models - 315 vs 325

I get the speeds and feeds argument but I’m having a hard time justifying the 
added expense for this type of deployment scenario.

Double occupancy dorm rooms
AP’s deployed every other room
Single Cat6 cable to each AP

If a 32x or 33x could reduce my overall AP count then that would be a 
consideration (because I have a lot of wiring to do) but it’s been my 
experience that is not the case.

Steve



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 On Behalf Of McClintic, Thomas
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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba AP Models - 315 vs 325

The 330 also has a multi-gig port for speeds >1gbps. Goes back to the channel 
bonding though…..

TJ McClintic

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jake Snyder
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To: 
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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba AP Models - 315 vs 325

Bruce,
The 310 series is 4x4 with 4 MU streams.  But it is only 2SS on 2.4GHz.

325 has 2nd Ethernet port, full spatial streams in 2.4GHz, 3MU streams, and 
does 80MHz only.

315 is single Ethernet, 2SS in 2.4GHz, 4MU streams and does 160, but drops to 
2SS in 5GHz @160.

The 330 and 310 are the 2nd gen W2 chips from QCA which is why they get the 4th 
MU stream.

I can't comment on CPU.



Sent from my iPhone

On May 2, 2017, at 5:49 AM, Osborne, Bruce W (Network Operations) 
<bosbo...@liberty.edu<mailto:bosbo...@liberty.edu>> wrote:

http://www.arubanetworks.com/products/networking/access-points/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.arubanetworks.com_products_networking_access-2Dpoints_=DQMFaQ=6vgNTiRn9_pqCD9hKx9JgXN1VapJQ8JVoF8oWH1AgfQ=rYfqH_8oTvcXxRxUI3x3m3Y7Nwgir7tnuoGbdZsrUM4=4zW58YOe1qDnctCvZNNRQK1W__bFlZI4X7pA5e0ZTZU=fPqdlqU53bc74W1FRn4FddBSNh_SQE2exu1_9EHUvCg=>

Checking quickly, the 330 series is 4x4 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba AP Models - 315 vs 325

[Norman Mourtada]

If these are for dorm rooms, did you take a look at the new aruba 303H APs for 
hospitality. At Suffolk university we are planning to install these in our dorm 
rooms this summer, wall mount using existing cat6 cables.
Price is affordable at list of $495. See datasheet 
http://www.arubanetworks.com/assets/ds/DS_AP303H.pdf

Norm

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve Hess
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 9:41 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba AP Models - 315 vs 325

I get the speeds and feeds argument but I’m having a hard time justifying the 
added expense for this type of deployment scenario.

Double occupancy dorm rooms
AP’s deployed every other room
Single Cat6 cable to each AP

If a 32x or 33x could reduce my overall AP count then that would be a 
consideration (because I have a lot of wiring to do) but it’s been my 
experience that is not the case.

Steve



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 On Behalf Of McClintic, Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 9:30 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba AP Models - 315 vs 325

The 330 also has a multi-gig port for speeds >1gbps. Goes back to the channel 
bonding though…..

TJ McClintic

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jake Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 7:18 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aruba AP Models - 315 vs 325

Bruce,
The 310 series is 4x4 with 4 MU streams.  But it is only 2SS on 2.4GHz.

325 has 2nd Ethernet port, full spatial streams in 2.4GHz, 3MU streams, and 
does 80MHz only.

315 is single Ethernet, 2SS in 2.4GHz, 4MU streams and does 160, but drops to 
2SS in 5GHz @160.

The 330 and 310 are the 2nd gen W2 chips from QCA which is why they get the 4th 
MU stream.

I can't comment on CPU.



Sent from my iPhone

On May 2, 2017, at 5:49 AM, Osborne, Bruce W (Network Operations) 
> wrote:

http://www.arubanetworks.com/products/networking/access-points/

Checking quickly, the 330 series is 4x4 MU-MIMO and has HP SmartRate, their 
multi-gigabit solution. You can get 5Gps on Cat 5e or 10Gps on Cat6A, according 
to their data sheet.

http://www.arubanetworks.com/assets/so/SO_SmartRate.pdf

320 Series is 4x4 MU-MIMO

310 Series is 2x2 MU-MIMO

Bruce Osborne
Senior Network Engineer
Network Operations - Wireless
 (434) 592-4229
LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
Training Champions for Christ since 1971

From: Chuck Enfield [mailto:chu...@psu.edu]
Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: Aruba AP Models - 315 vs 325

The differences that I know of are:

-330 series supports VHT160.  I can’t see using it, but if you can than this is 
the AP for you.
-330 has switchable antenna polarization, which should allow better H-plane 
coverage when wall-mounting the AP. I haven’t tested this to see how well it 
works, but a bracket to wall-mount an AP while maintaining its horizontal 
orientation is pretty inexpensive.

Traditionally, each higher Aruba AP series also has more memory, and often a 
better processor, to ensure adequate performance in the densest users 
environment.  I recently asked my VAR about how the 320’s and 330’s compare in 
this way, but haven’t heard back from them yet.  Anybody know?

Chuck Enfield
Manager, Wireless Engineering
Enterprise Networking & Communication Services
The Pennsylvania State University
110H, USB2, UP, PA 16802
ph: 814.863.8715
fx: 814.865.3988

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Ubiquiti per dorm room WIFI

[Norman Mourtada]

We are using something similar with Aruba model 205H 802.11ac 2.4/5 2x2 wave 1 
and now the new model 303H wave 2 with MU-MIMO. This is a hospitality AP model 
for dorms with built-in 3 Ethernet ports for wired access as well. See 
http://www.arubanetworks.com/assets/ds/DS_AP303H.pdf.


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael Blaisdell
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 11:02 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Ubiquiti per dorm room WIFI

Has anyone looked at the new Ubiquiti IN WALL WAP?  It has what I need.  I also 
believe it answers some of the questions that came up in past posts about 
residence hall WIFI.

UAP-AC-IW - Ubiquiti UniFi In-Wall 2.4 / 5GHz AC Access Point


I read some of the specs at the baltic network site.

Product Specifications
• Dimensions: 139.7 x 86.7 x 25.75 mm (5.5 x 3.41 x 1.01 ")
• Weight: 200 g (6.43 oz)
• Networking Interface: (3) 10/100/1000 Ethernet Ports
• Buttons: Reset
• Power Method: Passive Power over Ethernet (48V), 803.2at Supported (Supported 
Voltage Range: 44 to 57 VDC)
• Power Supply: UniFi Switch (PoE)
• Power Save: Supported
• PoE Out: 48V Pass-Through (Pins 1,2+; 3,6-)
• Maximum Power Consumption: 7W
• Maximum TX Power:
2.4 GHz: 20 dBm
5 GHz: 20 dBm
• Antennas: (1) Dual-Band Antenna, Single-Polarity
2.4 GHz: 1 dBi
5 GHz: 2 dBi
• Wi-Fi Standards: 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac
• Wireless Security: WEP, WPA-PSK, WPA-Enterprise (WPA/WPA2, TKIP/AES)
• BSSID: Up to Four per Radio
• Mounting: 1-Gang Electrical Wall Box (Not Included)
• Operating Temperature: -10 to 50°C (14 to 122°F)
• Operating Humidity: 5 to 95% Noncondensing
• Certifications: CE, FCC, IC

Advanced Traffic Management
• VLAN: 802.1Q
• Advanced QoS: Per-User Rate Limiting
• Guest Traffic Isolation: Supported
• WMM: Voice, Video, Best Effort, and Background
• Concurrent Clients: 250+
I didn't post the link to the data sheet but is listed on the site.


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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

[Norman Mourtada]

Thinking of creating a poster board and display in library and lobby’s in dorms 
during the 1st couple of weeks during the start of the semester for starters.

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Me too. Nicely formatted, great graphics, clearly written. Just wondering how 
this would/could be used. Having a hard time imagining most or any users having 
enough interest to read the second line of this, never mind the second page, 
given everything else they are barraged with these days.

Pete Morrissey

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I love the 2nd page with the colored chart and diagram.



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On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Walter Reynolds 
> wrote:
This is a link to a pdf of what we came up with.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0BKRE3DeEPKb1RWc1BPSkljYUtJZjRGel9icmU3NklJRHRv/view

If the link does not allow you to see it I am attaching the file as well.



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Information and Technology Services
University of Michigan
(734) 615-9438

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Michael Hulko 
> wrote:
Netscout.. aka Fluke… aka Airmagnet wrote a pretty easy to understand document 
related to interference.


M

On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey D. Sessler 
> wrote:

You are fighting a battle that will never be won, and even a stale-mate is 
unlikely.

IMHO, your best bet is to work toward abandoning 2.4. In the early days, we did 
try outreach and education, but there are just too many devices today that use 
2.4, and in many cases, users don’t even know it e.g. Apple’s Airdrop. You can 
minimize some of this by solving the reasons behind some of the interference 
sources i.e. install more WAPs to improve the service, reducing the rogue 
problem. Install residential printers to mitigate the need for student printers.

Most of our residential is now designed around dense 5 GHz, and while 2.4 is 
available, it’s mostly ignored.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
on behalf of "Gray, Sean" >
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:21 PM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4GHz - educating end users about interference

Hi Fellow Wireless Wizards!

This is my first post to the group, so please be gentle.

Here at the University of Lethbridge we are about to embark on a bit of an 
education drive for all of our wireless users with regards to the 2.4GHz 
spectrum and their impact on it. Does anybody have good examples of notices, 
posters etc. that they would be willing to share, that reference the evils of 
rogues and other interference sources citing the negative impact they have on 
the wireless network. Like everyone else on this list we are seeing huge 
influxes of our friends the wireless printer, Bluetooth devices and the like…

if only we could just turn 2.4GHz off.

Thanks

Sean


Sean Gray | B.Sc (Hons)
Voice, Collaboration & Wireless Network Analyst
ITS, University of Lethbridge


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tel: 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

[Norman Mourtada]

At Suffolk University, we have 3 SSIDs as follows:


1.   SU_Staff – faculty and staff – 802.1x

2.   SU_Student – students - 802.1x

3.   SU_Guest – captive portal

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Early Yu
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 3:38 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID names

At NC State University, we have 3 primary networks:
NCSU - Staff, Students, Faculty
NCSU-Guest - Guest network, locked down to http/https/vpn
Eduroam
Regards,

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Jim Stasik 
> wrote:
Hello, I have been encouraged by one of our governance bodies to consider 
renaming our wireless SSIDs to better match the network names to the function 
of the networks behind them.  I don’t get it, but maybe I am a little too close 
to it.  We don’t have any residential on our campuses so have just two primary 
SSIDs in use on our campus (as well as eduRoam).  One is named Public and is 
our onboarding/guest network.  The other is our authenticated/secure network 
which we call MC3Waves and is for all students, staff, faculty and 
administrators, with 802.1x on the back end to steer the end user to the 
appropriate role.  We have had these network around for as long as I can 
remember (15 years maybe).  I am curious how others are naming and separating 
the SSIDs in their environment?

Thanks in advance,

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Montgomery County Community College
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

[Norman Mourtada]

We are actively looking at both the 205H and 303H from Aruba. The list price 
for the 205H is $695 and the new 303H is $495 (with wave 2 and SU/MU-MIMO) but 
will require a minimum OS of 6.5. I am leaning towards the 303H as it will be 
cost effective with our standard discount. Planning to deploy in every other 
dorm room with 5GHz only.

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To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

It does bring up a problem that I’ve been complaining about for a long time – 
the top tier vendors don’t really offer any low cost single-room solutions, 
especially when it comes to ac. For example, what is there between this 
Mikrotik device at $50 and an Aruba AP-205H for $400? I see they have a 203H 
coming, but I don’t know the pricing on that. It seems the Cisco 1810 is a 
little better at $300, but for less than double that cost I can support 3 rooms 
with a traditional ceiling mount. And that doesn’t include the extra controller 
licensing and capacity required.

From the point of view of someone with a small, challenging budget, I could get 
the Aruba or Cisco and then have to keep them in service for 10+ years, or go 
for the cheaper models and replace them every 3. I realize there are other 
issue, but cost is a big driver.
Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu
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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Elley
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 10:24 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] In room WIFI - second example

IMHO what you potentially save upfront will probably cost you dearly in 
maintenance, support issues and customer (dis)satisfaction.


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IT Services, University of Bristol

On 20 February 2017 at 14:55, Michael Blaisdell 
> wrote:
Hmm. How many rooms, buildings, and end devices, Michael?


700 rooms over 10 buildings and about 3000 end devices.

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RE: Nyansa

[Norman Mourtada]

Suffolk University started working with Nyansa Voyance since March of 2015 as 
an early adopter. We worked very closely with their engineering team with 
different wireless scenario with data being collected from 6 of our Aruba 
wireless controllers (3xM3s and 3x7220s).

We use the baseline comparison with other similar companies it provided so you 
can see how good your network is performing and adjustments you might need to 
make in those areas. This helped us identify client radius performance issues, 
roaming and specific APs, AP groups with interference, 2.4GHz client issues and 
were able to resolve them.

We like how you can create custom filters for a specific AP, AP groups, monitor 
custom application performance etc so you can pin point and collect data in 
problem areas so you can analyze and fix reported issues. We also like the 
feature that it automatically adds a comment and timestamp when critical 
configuration changes are made. This allows us to go back and compare the 
baseline stats and see the impact the changes made.

The best part is now you have a single pane to monitor your wireless network. 
This complements other tools we use like airwave and clearpass for deeper 
analysis if required.

Norm

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 2:58 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Nyansa

Looking to talk with other schools that have objectively evaluated Nyansa with 
an installed appliance. Curious how what criteria you used to decide whether it 
was bringing you value, and if you bit on it, did it continue to bring value 
after the purchase.

I have it in test and am aware of the feature set and what it promises to do, 
but am looking for testimonials on what it has really exposed that you could 
take action on, how it fits with other tools that you have, and whether you 
have found it to be worth the cost.

On or off list is fine.

Thanks!

Lee Badman

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless to Wired Bridge

[Norman Mourtada]

Oops meant under $25 not 425

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Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 8:58 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless to Wired Bridge

Why not use a Wi-Fi usb adapter? I just tested the EDIMAX AC600 Wi-Fi USB 
adapter model EW-7811UTC is a dual band (2.4/5) and supports 802.11AC for under 
425 and seems to work great.
Has support for both Windows and MacOS drivers.

Norm
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Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless to Wired Bridge

Does anyone have a good wireless to wired bridge that they recommend to 
students to purchase when they have a wired only device that they wish they 
could connect in a wireless only residence hall?

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless to Wired Bridge

[Norman Mourtada]

Why not use a Wi-Fi usb adapter? I just tested the EDIMAX AC600 Wi-Fi USB 
adapter model EW-7811UTC is a dual band (2.4/5) and supports 802.11AC for under 
425 and seems to work great.
Has support for both Windows and MacOS drivers.

Norm
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Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 8:49 AM
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Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless to Wired Bridge

Does anyone have a good wireless to wired bridge that they recommend to 
students to purchase when they have a wired only device that they wish they 
could connect in a wireless only residence hall?

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Director of Network and Systems
Luther College Information Technology Services
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Nyansa Voyance - thoughts?

[Norman Mourtada]

At Suffolk University we started working with Nyansa Voyance since March of 
2015. We worked very closely with their engineering team with different 
wireless scenario with data being collected from 6 of our Aruba wireless 
controllers (M3s and 7220s). We have similar experience as Mike and other early 
adopters.

We like the baseline comparison with other similar companies it provides so you 
can see how good your network is performing and adjustments you might need to 
make in those areas.
This helped us identify client radius performance issues and were able to 
resolve it. 

We like how you can create custom filters for a specific AP, AP group etc so 
you can pin point or collect data in problem areas so you can analyze reported 
issues. We also like the feature that it automatically adds a comment and 
timestamp when critical config changes are made. This allows us to go back and 
compare the baseline stats to see the impact the changes made.

The Nyansa team is very responsive. We like the feature within the product that 
you can ask a question, take a snapshot and submit directly to support. 

Norm
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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Fitzgerald
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:25 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Nyansa Voyance - thoughts?

Ryan,

It's been pretty good at least in getting you to the right area (wifi vs 
dns/dhcp/radius) and also calling out things within wifi (weak signal, client 
hopping SSID, SNR issues) and it seems to be getting better and better as time 
goes on.  One of the things I really like is that new features/intelligence 
just start showing up without having to download code, etc.  They just update 
things in the cloud and you have immediate access.

As to client troubleshooting, I've been trying to use Voyance as the first 
tool. I may then go into a vendor-specific tool to really get specific but by 
the time I do that, Voyance has told me at what I should be taking a closer 
look.  It doesn't try to narrow it down to one root cause, but rather 
recommends one or more things that you should investigate based upon the 
symptoms it detected. I don't know that I can put a percentage on it, but it 
has been pretty accurate in the recommendations.

As to changes, we're an Aruba wireless shop. Multiple controllers but different 
IP spaces so as users moved around campus and jump from one controller to 
another, they see L2 re-transmits, ARP failures, etc. as their IP address goes 
out of service.  This was pretty clear to see with the "timeline" feature that 
actually lets you watch step by step a client's  connection history, not only 
to an given AP or controller, but what vlan/ip space, ssid, etc,  We're 
planning to change the controller config so that all controllers have the same 
vlans/ip spaces, in the same order and then turn up hash-based vlan selection 
so that once your device gets an IP to start the day, you keep that same IP as 
you hop controller to controller and we hope that will smooth the transitions 
and cut back on the L2 re-transmits, ARP misses, etc.

Voyance also reported a fair amount of SSID hopping issues we didn't know were 
going on. Using that timeline feature, I figured out it was related to turning 
up password change enforcement.  We have Eduroam as our primary 802.1x SSID and 
brandeis_open for things that can't do 802.1x. Once a device connects to 
802.1x, we tag its entry in the endpoint database as being 802.1x capable.  The 
brandeis_open SSID checks for that tag and if it exists, tells you to go back 
to Eduroam, waits a short time and drops your connection.  People were changing 
their passwords via our portal but their old cached passwords were still on 
their Eduroam config on things like smart phones, etc.  That connection would 
fail, their device would then hop to brandeis_open, which would see them as 
802.1x capable and tell them to go away and the device would try Eduroam again. 
Back and forth between the two SSID's, over and over.  The timeline showed the 
SSID hop but we could also see the radius login failure due to rejected 
credentials in between.  Light bulb moment!.  We'll be adding text to our 
password change portal to remind people to forget and reconnect to Eduroam on 
all their devices after a password change.  Being able to more easily see these 
types of things makes Voyance a winner for me, as those more global things are 
generally hardest to see, especially in the case of things are not hard 
failures.

Mike
fi...@brandeis.edu

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

[Norman Mourtada]

We are all Aruba for wireless just under a 1000 APs, with Clearpass and Airwave 
and Extreme/Enterasys for wired.

Norm Mourtada
Suffolk University
Boston, MA 02108

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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who wifi vendors does everyone use?

Cisco -- just under 6K APs right now.




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