Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

[Fishel Erps]

None so far - other than the 3 academic departments who work on the system
boards that currently only support 2.4GHz.  For them, we have turned it on
only for the APs in the relevant areas (9 APs out of 519), and only for
their department-specific SSID.

We made this change in conjunction with ditching the captive portal and
whitelisted device RADIUS setup, and rolled out 802.1x.

It was an ideal time to make the changes with new pushes toward improved
security, and everyone out due to COVID-19.



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New York, NY, 10011
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On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 3:18 PM Peter P Morrissey <
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> Impressive. No complaints?
>
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> Pete Morrissey
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>
>
>
> We have just turned off the 2.4GHz/G band, campus wide (except for a
> specific department or two using legacy system boards that aren’t yet
> capable of the 5GHz/A band.
>
>
>
> We have seen improved performance in every area of measure.
>
>
>
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> Fishel Erps,
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>
> School of Visual Arts
>
> 136 W 21st St., 8th Floor
>
> New York, NY, 10011
>
> LL: 212-592-2416
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> On Aug 26, 2020, at 12:13, John Rodkey  wrote:
>
> 
>
> For many years I have consistently used channels 1, 6, and 11 as
> non-overlapping channels wherever 2.4Ghz is deployed.  I have a consultant
> who is suggesting using all 11 channels in our high density dorm
> situations, arguing that  signal interference will affect throughput less
> than the delays from protocols where the 3 channels are within hearing
> distance of each other.
>
>
>
> This doesn't make sense to me.  If you in your situation have found using
> all 11 channels to be an effective solution vs the 3 channel
> non-overlapping approach, could you explain to me why you made that choice,
> and what your on-the-ground experience is with this configuration?
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> John Rodkey
>
> Director of Servers and Networks
>
> Westmont College
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

[Floyd, Brad]

John,
URL and screen shot sent directly to your e-mail.
Thanks,
Brad

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[EXTERNAL SENDER]
I would be interested in the urinal analogy, although I have a pretty good 
guess. Ewww!
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On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 12:31 PM Floyd, Brad 
mailto:bfl...@mail.smu.edu>> wrote:
John,
Have you ever heard of the bathroom urinal analogy? It’s rather crude and 
gross, but it explains why exactly to not use any channels other than 1, 6, and 
11. If you haven’t heard it, I’d be happy to share it with you offline.

Get a new consultant!

Thanks,
Brad

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Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

[EXTERNAL SENDER]
For many years I have consistently used channels 1, 6, and 11 as 
non-overlapping channels wherever 2.4Ghz is deployed.  I have a consultant who 
is suggesting using all 11 channels in our high density dorm situations, 
arguing that  signal interference will affect throughput less than the delays 
from protocols where the 3 channels are within hearing distance of each other.

This doesn't make sense to me.  If you in your situation have found using all 
11 channels to be an effective solution vs the 3 channel non-overlapping 
approach, could you explain to me why you made that choice, and what your 
on-the-ground experience is with this configuration?

Thank you!

John Rodkey
Director of Servers and Networks
Westmont College


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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

[Mark Anthony]

In a nut shell its saying when you are waiting in a line to pee you can move 
more people in and out with 3 stalls rather then 1

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Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 4:12:36 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

I would be interested in the urinal analogy, although I have a pretty good 
guess. Ewww!
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On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 12:31 PM Floyd, Brad 
mailto:bfl...@mail.smu.edu>> wrote:

John,

Have you ever heard of the bathroom urinal analogy? It’s rather crude and 
gross, but it explains why exactly to not use any channels other than 1, 6, and 
11. If you haven’t heard it, I’d be happy to share it with you offline.



Get a new consultant!



Thanks,

Brad



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Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations



[EXTERNAL SENDER]

For many years I have consistently used channels 1, 6, and 11 as 
non-overlapping channels wherever 2.4Ghz is deployed.  I have a consultant who 
is suggesting using all 11 channels in our high density dorm situations, 
arguing that  signal interference will affect throughput less than the delays 
from protocols where the 3 channels are within hearing distance of each other.



This doesn't make sense to me.  If you in your situation have found using all 
11 channels to be an effective solution vs the 3 channel non-overlapping 
approach, could you explain to me why you made that choice, and what your 
on-the-ground experience is with this configuration?



Thank you!



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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

[John Rodkey]

I would be interested in the urinal analogy, although I have a pretty good
guess. Ewww!
John Rodkey
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On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 12:31 PM Floyd, Brad  wrote:

> John,
>
> Have you ever heard of the bathroom urinal analogy? It’s rather crude and
> gross, but it explains why exactly to not use any channels other than 1, 6,
> and 11. If you haven’t heard it, I’d be happy to share it with you offline.
>
>
>
> Get a new consultant!
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *John Rodkey
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 11:13 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations
>
>
>
> *[EXTERNAL SENDER]*
>
> For many years I have consistently used channels 1, 6, and 11 as
> non-overlapping channels wherever 2.4Ghz is deployed.  I have a consultant
> who is suggesting using all 11 channels in our high density dorm
> situations, arguing that  signal interference will affect throughput less
> than the delays from protocols where the 3 channels are within hearing
> distance of each other.
>
>
>
> This doesn't make sense to me.  If you in your situation have found using
> all 11 channels to be an effective solution vs the 3 channel
> non-overlapping approach, could you explain to me why you made that choice,
> and what your on-the-ground experience is with this configuration?
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> John Rodkey
>
> Director of Servers and Networks
>
> Westmont College
>
>
>
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

[Floyd, Brad]

John,
Have you ever heard of the bathroom urinal analogy? It’s rather crude and 
gross, but it explains why exactly to not use any channels other than 1, 6, and 
11. If you haven’t heard it, I’d be happy to share it with you offline.

Get a new consultant!

Thanks,
Brad

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Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 11:13 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

[EXTERNAL SENDER]
For many years I have consistently used channels 1, 6, and 11 as 
non-overlapping channels wherever 2.4Ghz is deployed.  I have a consultant who 
is suggesting using all 11 channels in our high density dorm situations, 
arguing that  signal interference will affect throughput less than the delays 
from protocols where the 3 channels are within hearing distance of each other.

This doesn't make sense to me.  If you in your situation have found using all 
11 channels to be an effective solution vs the 3 channel non-overlapping 
approach, could you explain to me why you made that choice, and what your 
on-the-ground experience is with this configuration?

Thank you!

John Rodkey
Director of Servers and Networks
Westmont College


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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

[Peter P Morrissey]

Impressive. No complaints?

Pete Morrissey

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Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 12:55 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

We have just turned off the 2.4GHz/G band, campus wide (except for a specific 
department or two using legacy system boards that aren’t yet capable of the 
5GHz/A band.

We have seen improved performance in every area of measure.

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Fishel Erps,
Sr. Network & Infrastructure Engineer
School of Visual Arts

136 W 21st St., 8th Floor

New York, NY, 10011

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On Aug 26, 2020, at 12:13, John Rodkey 
mailto:rod...@westmont.edu>> wrote:

For many years I have consistently used channels 1, 6, and 11 as 
non-overlapping channels wherever 2.4Ghz is deployed.  I have a consultant who 
is suggesting using all 11 channels in our high density dorm situations, 
arguing that  signal interference will affect throughput less than the delays 
from protocols where the 3 channels are within hearing distance of each other.

This doesn't make sense to me.  If you in your situation have found using all 
11 channels to be an effective solution vs the 3 channel non-overlapping 
approach, could you explain to me why you made that choice, and what your 
on-the-ground experience is with this configuration?

Thank you!

John Rodkey
Director of Servers and Networks
Westmont College


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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

[Enfield, Chuck]

Rather than just making fun of the stupid suggestion, it’s probably worth 
explaining what makes it stupid.

Back in the days of the 4-channel model all we cared about was throughput.  
Bandwidth was hard to come by, and maximizing it was beneficial.  Figuring out 
which was better was easy.  4 channels gave you 33% more air time.  If adding 
the fourth channel to your plan increased retries by less than 33%, you gained 
bandwidth.  You could test it in your production network and easily measure the 
difference.  I’ve tested it and it worked sometimes and didn’t work others.  
What determined the success was the AP layout and how they were channelized.  
If the AP density wasn’t too high (APs 80” to 100’ apart were common back then) 
and you carefully set your channels then 4 channels increased bandwidth.

Switch to today.  Is anybody manually choosing their channel plan?  If not, is 
your automated radio management systems designed for this?  I’m pretty sure the 
answer to both is “No.”

Furthermore, we now have lots of real-time voice and video traffic on Wi-F that 
we didn’t have in the 11b days. (Yes there were wi-fi phones back then, but 
they sucked and you better not have many of them.)  Today, retries affect 
service quality beyond just the airtime they use.  Doing anything that’s likely 
to increase retries, even a little, is going to have a disproportionate impact 
on real-time service quality.  Increasing bandwidth isn’t sufficient to make 
better Wi-Fi anymore.

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I believe the basis for his idea is that, because 802.11 clients are far more 
sensitive to other 802.11 clients as opposed to noise, it's better to have 
those extra channels, whose overlapping channels would sound like noise to 
clients not on that specific channel. I am not saying I agree with this, haha.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:44 AM Matt Wierzgac 
mailto:mwierz...@wzcnetworking.net>> wrote:
I echo Seth’s statement.  Utilize the 5GHz radio for dense deployments, and 
shut down the 2.4GHz radios on AP’s where needed, and utilize the 3 channel 
plan.

Thanks,

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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

I briefly tried the 4 channel (1,4,7,11) plan and it was awful. I have found 
shutting off the 2.4 radio in dense environments works in a 3 channel plan.

Seth Bean
Administrator of Networks and Telecommunications
MCLA APA Chapter President
Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts
413.662.5022
413.663.1276
375 Church Street
North Adams,
MA 01247


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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

[John Rodkey]

Thank you all for the feedback.  I was feeling like I was being gas-lit .
And I conclude that I was.

John

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On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:11 AM Enfield, Chuck  wrote:

> The four-channel plan made sense when AP density was lower and before OFDM
> (back when spectral density graphs had long tails.)  I’m not sure if it was
> every really better than a 3-channel plan, but there was a case for it.
> Even if it was better for 802.11b, 802.11g and the iPhone made it obsolete.
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Seth Bean
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 12:25 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel
> designations
>
>
>
> I briefly tried the 4 channel (1,4,7,11) plan and it was awful. I have
> found shutting off the 2.4 radio in dense environments works in a 3 channel
> plan.
>
>
>
> Seth Bean
>
> Administrator of Networks and Telecommunications
>
> MCLA APA Chapter President
>
> Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts
>
> 413.662.5022
>
> 413.663.1276
>
> 375 Church Street
>
> North Adams,
>
> MA 01247
>
>
>
>
>
> “National Top Ten
>
> Public Liberal Arts College”
>
> 2019 US News & World Report
>
>
>
> MCLA
> --
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of SWARTZ, POLA <
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> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel
> designations
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> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations
>
>
>
> Find a new consultant.

RE: [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

[Lee H Badman]

I’d also suggest using 40 MHz channels in 2.4 GHz, because then the jigabits 
get there faster in luxuriously wide fastlanes.


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Johnson, Christopher
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 1:57 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

Now be honest. If Phase 1 was “Use all 11 Channels” – was Phase 2 - Disable any 
“multicast/broadcast filtering mechanisms” 

Sorry. Just popped in there since I just finished writing a message about why 
“unfiltered multicast/broadcast” traffic is bad mojo – and why can’t just “turn 
it on”. 
Christopher Johnson
Wireless Network Engineer
Office of Technology Solutions | Illinois State University
(309) 438-8444

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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Enfield, Chuck
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 12:11 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

[This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to 
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The four-channel plan made sense when AP density was lower and before OFDM 
(back when spectral density graphs had long tails.)  I’m not sure if it was 
every really better than a 3-channel plan, but there was a case for it.  Even 
if it was better for 802.11b, 802.11g and the iPhone made it obsolete.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Seth Bean
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 12:25 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

I briefly tried the 4 channel (1,4,7,11) plan and it was awful. I have found 
shutting off the 2.4 radio in dense environments works in a 3 channel plan.

Seth Bean
Administrator of Networks and Telecommunications
MCLA APA Chapter President
Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts
413.662.5022
413.663.1276
375 Church Street
North Adams,
MA 01247


“National Top Ten
Public Liberal Arts College”
2019 US News & World Report

MCLA

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 12:18:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

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RE: [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

[Johnson, Christopher]

Now be honest. If Phase 1 was “Use all 11 Channels” – was Phase 2 - Disable any 
“multicast/broadcast filtering mechanisms” 

Sorry. Just popped in there since I just finished writing a message about why 
“unfiltered multicast/broadcast” traffic is bad mojo – and why can’t just “turn 
it on”. 
Christopher Johnson
Wireless Network Engineer
Office of Technology Solutions | Illinois State University
(309) 438-8444

Stay connected with ISU IT news and tips with @ISU IT Help on 
Facebook<https://www.facebook.com/ISUITHelp/> and 
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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Enfield, Chuck
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 12:11 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

[This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to 
ab...@ilstu.edu<mailto:ab...@ilstu.edu>]
The four-channel plan made sense when AP density was lower and before OFDM 
(back when spectral density graphs had long tails.)  I’m not sure if it was 
every really better than a 3-channel plan, but there was a case for it.  Even 
if it was better for 802.11b, 802.11g and the iPhone made it obsolete.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Seth Bean
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 12:25 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

I briefly tried the 4 channel (1,4,7,11) plan and it was awful. I have found 
shutting off the 2.4 radio in dense environments works in a 3 channel plan.

Seth Bean
Administrator of Networks and Telecommunications
MCLA APA Chapter President
Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts
413.662.5022
413.663.1276
375 Church Street
North Adams,
MA 01247


“National Top Ten
Public Liberal Arts College”
2019 US News & World Report

MCLA

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
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RE: [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

[Enfield, Chuck]

The four-channel plan made sense when AP density was lower and before OFDM 
(back when spectral density graphs had long tails.)  I'm not sure if it was 
every really better than a 3-channel plan, but there was a case for it.  Even 
if it was better for 802.11b, 802.11g and the iPhone made it obsolete.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Seth Bean
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 12:25 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

I briefly tried the 4 channel (1,4,7,11) plan and it was awful. I have found 
shutting off the 2.4 radio in dense environments works in a 3 channel plan.

Seth Bean
Administrator of Networks and Telecommunications
MCLA APA Chapter President
Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts
413.662.5022
413.663.1276
375 Church Street
North Adams,
MA 01247


"National Top Ten
Public Liberal Arts College"
2019 US News & World Report

MCLA

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
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mailto:pola_swa...@dpsk12.org>>
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 12:18:24 PM
To: 
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mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

CAUTION: This email originated from outside of MCLA. Do not click links or open 
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Amen


Smile,
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Department of Technology Services
780 Grant St., Denver, CO 80203
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Subject: [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations


Find a new consultant.



Brady Ballstadt



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
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To: 
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Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Gh

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

[Fishel Erps]

We have just turned off the 2.4GHz/G band, campus wide (except for a
specific department or two using legacy system boards that aren’t yet
capable of the 5GHz/A band.

We have seen improved performance in every area of measure.


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Sr. Network & Infrastructure Engineer
School of Visual Arts
136 W 21st St., 8th Floor

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On Aug 26, 2020, at 12:13, John Rodkey  wrote:


For many years I have consistently used channels 1, 6, and 11 as
non-overlapping channels wherever 2.4Ghz is deployed.  I have a consultant
who is suggesting using all 11 channels in our high density dorm
situations, arguing that  signal interference will affect throughput less
than the delays from protocols where the 3 channels are within hearing
distance of each other.

This doesn't make sense to me.  If you in your situation have found using
all 11 channels to be an effective solution vs the 3 channel
non-overlapping approach, could you explain to me why you made that choice,
and what your on-the-ground experience is with this configuration?

Thank you!

John Rodkey
Director of Servers and Networks
Westmont College

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

[Dan Lauing]

I believe the basis for his idea is that, because 802.11 clients are far
more sensitive to other 802.11 clients as opposed to noise, it's better to
have those extra channels, whose overlapping channels would sound like
noise to clients not on that specific channel. I am not saying I agree with
this, haha.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:44 AM Matt Wierzgac 
wrote:

> I echo Seth’s statement.  Utilize the 5GHz radio for dense deployments,
> and shut down the 2.4GHz radios on AP’s where needed, and utilize the 3
> channel plan.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
> *Matt Wierzgac *Engineering Manager
>
> phone: 248-378-1125
> mobile: 248-504-8096
>
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> www.wzcnetworking.net
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>
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Seth Bean
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 12:25 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel
> designations
>
>
>
> I briefly tried the 4 channel (1,4,7,11) plan and it was awful. I have
> found shutting off the 2.4 radio in dense environments works in a 3 channel
> plan.
>
>
>
> Seth Bean
>
> Administrator of Networks and Telecommunications
>
> MCLA APA Chapter President
>
> Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts
>
> 413.662.5022
>
> 413.663.1276
>
> 375 Church Street
>
> North Adams,
>
> MA 01247
>
>
>
>
>
> “National Top Ten
>
> Public Liberal Arts College”
>
> 2019 US News & World Report
>
>
>
> MCLA
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> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel
> designations
>
>
>
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> Amen
>
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>
> *Smile,*
>
> *Pola Swartz*
> *WAN/Wireless Infrastructure Manager*
> *Department of Technology Services*
>
> *780 Grant St., Denver, CO 80203*
>
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>
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> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 10:15 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations
>
>
>
> Find a new consultant.
>
>
>
> Brady Ballstadt
>
>
>
> *From: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of John Rodkey <
> rod...@westmont.edu>
> *Reply-To: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Date: *Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 11:13 AM
> *To: *"WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Subject: *[WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations
>
>
>
> For many years I have consistently used channels 1, 6, and 11 as
> non-overlapping channels wherever 2.4Ghz is deployed.  I have a consultant
> who is suggesting using all 11 channels in our high density dorm
> situations, arguing that  signal interference will affect throughput less
> than the delays from protocols where the 3 channels are within hearing
> distance of each other.
>
>
>
> This doesn't make sense to me.  If you in your situation have found using
> all 11 channels to be an effective solutio

RE: [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

[Matt Wierzgac]

I echo Seth's statement.  Utilize the 5GHz radio for dense deployments, and 
shut down the 2.4GHz radios on AP's where needed, and utilize the 3 channel 
plan.

Thanks,

Matt Wierzgac
Engineering Manager
phone: 248-378-1125
mobile: 248-504-8096
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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Seth Bean
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 12:25 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

I briefly tried the 4 channel (1,4,7,11) plan and it was awful. I have found 
shutting off the 2.4 radio in dense environments works in a 3 channel plan.

Seth Bean
Administrator of Networks and Telecommunications
MCLA APA Chapter President
Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts
413.662.5022
413.663.1276
375 Church Street
North Adams,
MA 01247


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MCLA

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Amen


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on behalf of Brady J. Ballstadt mailto:bjbal...@uark.edu>>
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 10:15 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations


Find a new consultant.



Brady Ballstadt



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of John Rodkey mailto:rod...@westmont.edu>>
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 11:13 AM
To: 
"WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>" 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations



For many years I have consistently used channels 1, 6, and 11 as 
non-overlapping channels wherever 2.4Ghz is deployed.  I have a consultant who 
is suggesting using all 11 channels in our high density dorm situations, 
arguing that  signal interference will affect throughput less than the delays 
from protocols where the 3 channels are within hearing distance of each other.



This doesn't make sense to me.  If you in your situation have found using all 
11 channels to be an effective solution vs the 3 channel non-overlapping 
approach, could you explain to me why you made that choice, and what your 
on-the-ground experience is with this configuration?



Thank you!



John Rodkey

Director of Servers and Networks

Westmont College



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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

[David Logan]

This has been an entirely entertaining thread.  (Not to diminish the
original poster’s sincerity)

Also, hearing the consultant’s logic would either be thought provoking or
thoroughly entertaining BS.  Perhaps both!

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 12:25 PM GT Hill  wrote:

> I knew someone was going to go there Lee. :-)
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:23 AM Lee H Badman <
> 00db5b77bd95-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps his name is Channel McFly, and he’s looking to raise a Ruckus.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
>>
>> *On Behalf Of *Dan Lauing
>>
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 12:21 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
>>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel
>> designations
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I have never heard of that before. That is extremely interesting.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:18 AM SWARTZ, POLA 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Amen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Smile,*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Pola Swartz*
>>
>>
>> *WAN/Wireless Infrastructure Manager*
>>
>>
>> *Department of Technology Services*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *780 Grant St., Denver, CO 80203
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/780+Grant+St.,+Denver,+CO+80203+%0D%0A+%0D%0A+%0D%0A+%23p?entry=gmail=g>*
>>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/780+Grant+St.,+Denver,+CO+80203+%0D%0A+%0D%0A+%0D%0A+%23p?entry=gmail=g>
>>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/780+Grant+St.,+Denver,+CO+80203+%0D%0A+%0D%0A+%0D%0A+%23p?entry=gmail=g>
>>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/780+Grant+St.,+Denver,+CO+80203+%0D%0A+%0D%0A+%0D%0A+%23p?entry=gmail=g>
>>
>> #p
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/780+Grant+St.,+Denver,+CO+80203+%0D%0A+%0D%0A+%0D%0A+%23p?entry=gmail=g>
>>
>> 720-423-3603 | c
>>
>> 303-905-9520
>>
>> | dpsk12.org <https://www.dpsk12.org/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.dpsk12.org/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/DenverPublicSchools>
>> <https://twitter.com/DPSNewsNow>
>> <https://instagram.com/denverpublicschools>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/user/DenverPublicSchools>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Students First . Integrity . Equity.
>>
>> Collaboration. Accountability . Fun
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Never out smart your common sense...*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
>>
>> on behalf of Brady J. Ballstadt 
>>
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 10:15 AM
>>
>>
>> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
>>
>>
>> *Subject:* [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Find a new consultant.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Brady Ballstadt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:*The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of John Rodkey
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> *Reply-To: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
>>
>>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 11:13 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

[GT Hill]

I knew someone was going to go there Lee. :-)

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:23 AM Lee H Badman <
00db5b77bd95-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu> wrote:

> Perhaps his name is Channel McFly, and he’s looking to raise a Ruckus.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Dan Lauing
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 12:21 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel
> designations
>
>
>
> I have never heard of that before. That is extremely interesting.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:18 AM SWARTZ, POLA 
> wrote:
>
> Amen
>
>
>
> *Smile,*
>
> *Pola Swartz*
> *WAN/Wireless Infrastructure Manager*
> *Department of Technology Services*
>
> *780 Grant St., Denver, CO 80203*
>
> #p 720-423-3603 | c 303-905-9520 | dpsk12.org <https://www.dpsk12.org/>
>
> <https://www.dpsk12.org/>
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/DenverPublicSchools>
> <https://twitter.com/DPSNewsNow>
> <https://instagram.com/denverpublicschools>
> <https://www.youtube.com/user/DenverPublicSchools>
>
> Students First . Integrity . Equity.  Collaboration. Accountability . Fun
>
> *Never out smart your common sense...*
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of Brady J. Ballstadt <
> bjbal...@uark.edu>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 10:15 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations
>
>
>
> Find a new consultant.
>
>
>
> Brady Ballstadt
>
>
>
> *From: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of John Rodkey <
> rod...@westmont.edu>
> *Reply-To: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Date: *Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 11:13 AM
> *To: *"WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Subject: *[WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations
>
>
>
> For many years I have consistently used channels 1, 6, and 11 as
> non-overlapping channels wherever 2.4Ghz is deployed.  I have a consultant
> who is suggesting using all 11 channels in our high density dorm
> situations, arguing that  signal interference will affect throughput less
> than the delays from protocols where the 3 channels are within hearing
> distance of each other.
>
>
>
> This doesn't make sense to me.  If you in your situation have found using
> all 11 channels to be an effective solution vs the 3 channel
> non-overlapping approach, could you explain to me why you made that choice,
> and what your on-the-ground experience is with this configuration?
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> John Rodkey
>
> Director of Servers and Networks
>
> Westmont College
>
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Re: [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

[Seth Bean]

I briefly tried the 4 channel (1,4,7,11) plan and it was awful. I have found 
shutting off the 2.4 radio in dense environments works in a 3 channel plan.

Seth Bean
Administrator of Networks and Telecommunications
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To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations


Find a new consultant.



Brady Ballstadt



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of John Rodkey 

Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 

Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 11:13 AM
To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations



For many years I have consistently used channels 1, 6, and 11 as 
non-overlapping channels wherever 2.4Ghz is deployed.  I have a consultant who 
is suggesting using all 11 channels in our high density dorm situations, 
arguing that  signal interference will affect throughput less than the delays 
from protocols where the 3 channels are within hearing distance of each other.



This doesn't make sense to me.  If you in your situation have found using all 
11 channels to be an effective solution vs the 3 channel non-overlapping 
approach, could you explain to me why you made that choice, and what your 
on-the-ground experience is with this configuration?



Thank you!



John Rodkey

Director of Servers and Networks

Westmont College



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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

[GT Hill]

If you value him / her as a person you won't reveal their name. Except to
me. I really want to know.

:-)

GT

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:21 AM Dan Lauing  wrote:

> I have never heard of that before. That is extremely interesting.
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:18 AM SWARTZ, POLA 
> wrote:
>
>> Amen
>>
>>
>>
>> *Smile, *
>> *Pola Swartz*
>>
>> *WAN/Wireless Infrastructure Manager Department of Technology Services*
>> *780 Grant St., Denver, CO 80203*
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of Brady J. Ballstadt <
>> bjbal...@uark.edu>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 10:15 AM
>> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
>> *Subject:* [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations
>>
>>
>> Find a new consultant.
>>
>>
>>
>> Brady Ballstadt
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of John Rodkey <
>> rod...@westmont.edu>
>> *Reply-To: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 11:13 AM
>> *To: *"WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <
>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
>> *Subject: *[WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations
>>
>>
>>
>> For many years I have consistently used channels 1, 6, and 11 as
>> non-overlapping channels wherever 2.4Ghz is deployed.  I have a consultant
>> who is suggesting using all 11 channels in our high density dorm
>> situations, arguing that  signal interference will affect throughput less
>> than the delays from protocols where the 3 channels are within hearing
>> distance of each other.
>>
>>
>>
>> This doesn't make sense to me.  If you in your situation have found using
>> all 11 channels to be an effective solution vs the 3 channel
>> non-overlapping approach, could you explain to me why you made that choice,
>> and what your on-the-ground experience is with this configuration?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>>
>> John Rodkey
>>
>> Director of Servers and Networks
>>
>> Westmont College
>>
>>
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

[Lee H Badman]

Perhaps his name is Channel McFly, and he’s looking to raise a Ruckus.


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 12:21 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

I have never heard of that before. That is extremely interesting.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:18 AM SWARTZ, POLA 
mailto:pola_swa...@dpsk12.org>> wrote:

Amen


Smile,
Pola Swartz
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Department of Technology Services
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mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
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To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations


Find a new consultant.



Brady Ballstadt



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of John Rodkey mailto:rod...@westmont.edu>>
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 11:13 AM
To: 
"WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>" 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations



For many years I have consistently used channels 1, 6, and 11 as 
non-overlapping channels wherever 2.4Ghz is deployed.  I have a consultant who 
is suggesting using all 11 channels in our high density dorm situations, 
arguing that  signal interference will affect throughput less than the delays 
from protocols where the 3 channels are within hearing distance of each other.



This doesn't make sense to me.  If you in your situation have found using all 
11 channels to be an effective solution vs the 3 channel non-overlapping 
approach, could you explain to me why you made that choice, and what your 
on-the-ground experience is with this configuration?



Thank you!



John Rodkey

Director of Servers and Networks

Westmont College



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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

[Dan Lauing]

I have never heard of that before. That is extremely interesting.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:18 AM SWARTZ, POLA 
wrote:

> Amen
>
>
>
> *Smile, *
> *Pola Swartz*
>
> *WAN/Wireless Infrastructure Manager Department of Technology Services*
> *780 Grant St., Denver, CO 80203*
> #p 720-423-3603 | c 303-905-9520 | dpsk12.org <https://www.dpsk12.org/>
> <https://www.dpsk12.org/> <https://www.facebook.com/DenverPublicSchools>
> <https://twitter.com/DPSNewsNow>
> <https://instagram.com/denverpublicschools>
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>
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>
>
>
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> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of Brady J. Ballstadt <
> bjbal...@uark.edu>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 10:15 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations
>
>
> Find a new consultant.
>
>
>
> Brady Ballstadt
>
>
>
> *From: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of John Rodkey <
> rod...@westmont.edu>
> *Reply-To: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Date: *Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 11:13 AM
> *To: *"WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Subject: *[WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations
>
>
>
> For many years I have consistently used channels 1, 6, and 11 as
> non-overlapping channels wherever 2.4Ghz is deployed.  I have a consultant
> who is suggesting using all 11 channels in our high density dorm
> situations, arguing that  signal interference will affect throughput less
> than the delays from protocols where the 3 channels are within hearing
> distance of each other.
>
>
>
> This doesn't make sense to me.  If you in your situation have found using
> all 11 channels to be an effective solution vs the 3 channel
> non-overlapping approach, could you explain to me why you made that choice,
> and what your on-the-ground experience is with this configuration?
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> John Rodkey
>
> Director of Servers and Networks
>
> Westmont College
>
>
>
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

[Lee H Badman]

Does this consultant have any actual experience? Or… training?

Lee Badman | Network Architect (CWNE#200)
Information Technology Services
(NDD Group)
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244
t 315.443.3003   e lhbad...@syr.edu w its.syr.edu
Campus Wireless Policy: 
https://answers.syr.edu/display/network/Wireless+Network+and+Systems
SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
syr.edu

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of John Rodkey
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 12:13 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

For many years I have consistently used channels 1, 6, and 11 as 
non-overlapping channels wherever 2.4Ghz is deployed.  I have a consultant who 
is suggesting using all 11 channels in our high density dorm situations, 
arguing that  signal interference will affect throughput less than the delays 
from protocols where the 3 channels are within hearing distance of each other.

This doesn't make sense to me.  If you in your situation have found using all 
11 channels to be an effective solution vs the 3 channel non-overlapping 
approach, could you explain to me why you made that choice, and what your 
on-the-ground experience is with this configuration?

Thank you!

John Rodkey
Director of Servers and Networks
Westmont College


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Re: [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Brady J. Ballstadt 

Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 10:15 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [EXT] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations


Find a new consultant.



Brady Ballstadt



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of John Rodkey 

Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 

Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 11:13 AM
To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations



For many years I have consistently used channels 1, 6, and 11 as 
non-overlapping channels wherever 2.4Ghz is deployed.  I have a consultant who 
is suggesting using all 11 channels in our high density dorm situations, 
arguing that  signal interference will affect throughput less than the delays 
from protocols where the 3 channels are within hearing distance of each other.



This doesn't make sense to me.  If you in your situation have found using all 
11 channels to be an effective solution vs the 3 channel non-overlapping 
approach, could you explain to me why you made that choice, and what your 
on-the-ground experience is with this configuration?



Thank you!



John Rodkey

Director of Servers and Networks

Westmont College



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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

[Brady J. Ballstadt]

Find a new consultant.

Brady Ballstadt

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of John Rodkey 

Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 

Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 11:13 AM
To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4Ghz channel designations

For many years I have consistently used channels 1, 6, and 11 as 
non-overlapping channels wherever 2.4Ghz is deployed.  I have a consultant who 
is suggesting using all 11 channels in our high density dorm situations, 
arguing that  signal interference will affect throughput less than the delays 
from protocols where the 3 channels are within hearing distance of each other.

This doesn't make sense to me.  If you in your situation have found using all 
11 channels to be an effective solution vs the 3 channel non-overlapping 
approach, could you explain to me why you made that choice, and what your 
on-the-ground experience is with this configuration?

Thank you!

John Rodkey
Director of Servers and Networks
Westmont College


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