Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] selectively disabling wireless in classrooms
Not being asked … so hoping to avoid the question … I tend to think faculty (some) are becoming more tolerant since they are bringing iPads to the classroom to teach from, so shutting it off affects them now. ___ Charles Keeler Mitchell College Office of Information Technology Chief Technology Officer (860) 701-5254 From: Gogan, James P go...@email.unc.edumailto:go...@email.unc.edu Reply-To: EDUCAUSE Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 08:21:32 -0400 To: EDUCAUSE Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] selectively disabling wireless in classrooms Well, it's that time of year again …. the time when we get calls from a handful of faculty who want the ability to disable the wireless access point that covers their classroom during specific class periods (they also want cellular coverage disabled during those times -- yeah, right ……).When I point out that the AP that covers their classroom may also provide coverage for the one next door, or that with a controller-based architecture, shutting off one access point would likely just increase the signal coverage area of adjacent APs, the response I usually get back is well, I KNOW that other universities are doing it, so …. FIX IT. So, let me ask my biennial question: what ARE other universities doing in this regard?I was specifically given U of Michigan as an example.Anyone know what they're doing? Any successful implementation details from anyone dealing with this issue are welcome.And yes, I am biting my tongue to not say teach more engagingly. Thanks in advance! -- Jim Gogan / Univ of North Carolina ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. IMPORTANT WARNING: The information in this message (and the documents attached to it, if any) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken, or omitted to be taken, in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please delete all electronic copies of this message (and the documents attached to it, if any), destroy any hard copies you may have created and notify me immediately by replying to this email. Thank you. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] selectively disabling wireless in classrooms
This is the wireless-...@educause.edumailto:wireless-...@educause.edu, not the un-wireless-...@educause.edumailto:un-wireless-...@educause.edu ;-) Seriously, we have seen teachers requesting devices to be turned off during class, or else... Also, the curriculums are requesting increasingly interaction with digital media. It's going to become harder and harder to justify a budget to remove access (we operate on a cost recovery basis) Make the teacher pay for the implementation of this specific policy. FIX IT costs money! Philippe On Sep 23, 2011, at 8:21 AM, Gogan, James P wrote: Well, it's that time of year again …. the time when we get calls from a handful of faculty who want the ability to disable the wireless access point that covers their classroom during specific class periods (they also want cellular coverage disabled during those times -- yeah, right ……).When I point out that the AP that covers their classroom may also provide coverage for the one next door, or that with a controller-based architecture, shutting off one access point would likely just increase the signal coverage area of adjacent APs, the response I usually get back is well, I KNOW that other universities are doing it, so …. FIX IT. So, let me ask my biennial question: what ARE other universities doing in this regard?I was specifically given U of Michigan as an example.Anyone know what they're doing? Any successful implementation details from anyone dealing with this issue are welcome.And yes, I am biting my tongue to not say teach more engagingly. Thanks in advance! -- Jim Gogan / Univ of North Carolina ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] selectively disabling wireless in classrooms
We've had it asked several times here (including for cellular). Each time we point out that it's an academic/classroom management issue, and that there's no simple technology solution available at the moment to solve it. On each occasion we've managed to convince management that we can't do it, and asked for evidence from academics that say others are doing this and been deafened by the response. _ Tomo | Senior Infrastructure Engineer - Networks, Telecoms Security. Direct line +44 (0)20 7000 | Email t...@london.edu www.london.edu http://www.london.edu/ Connect with us: https://twitter.com/LondonBSchool Follow us on Twitter https://twitter.com/LondonBSchool http://www.facebook.com/pages/London-United-Kingdom/London-Business-Sch ool/14027365105 Become a fan on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/pages/London-United-Kingdom/London-Business-Sch ool/14027365105 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Barber, Matt Sent: 23 September 2011 13:38 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] selectively disabling wireless in classrooms Hi Jim, I also get this question/request a couple times a year. I flat-out refuse to do it. There are so many issues (coverage of other spaces, the students have cellular connectivity too, managing the changes, etc.) but those play a very small part in us not doing it. We simply don't do it on principle. I don't feel that it is our responsibility to help manage the attention of the students in the classroom. Luckily I have support from the appropriate people on campus for that stance. I will say that very few faculty members have asked overall. Most of our faculty are happy to include online video, Blackboard, and now iPads in their instruction. Good luck! Matt Barber Network and Systems Manager Morrisville State College 315-684-6053 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Gogan, James P Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:22 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] selectively disabling wireless in classrooms Well, it's that time of year again the time when we get calls from a handful of faculty who want the ability to disable the wireless access point that covers their classroom during specific class periods (they also want cellular coverage disabled during those times -- yeah, right ..).When I point out that the AP that covers their classroom may also provide coverage for the one next door, or that with a controller-based architecture, shutting off one access point would likely just increase the signal coverage area of adjacent APs, the response I usually get back is well, I KNOW that other universities are doing it, so FIX IT. So, let me ask my biennial question: what ARE other universities doing in this regard?I was specifically given U of Michigan as an example. Anyone know what they're doing? Any successful implementation details from anyone dealing with this issue are welcome.And yes, I am biting my tongue to not say teach more engagingly. Thanks in advance! -- Jim Gogan / Univ of North Carolina ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System on behalf of the London Business School community. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System on behalf of the London Business School community. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. image001.jpgimage002.jpgimage004.jpg
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] selectively disabling wireless in classrooms
We've also been asked in a specific auditorium to cut off wireless.
Professors have been told that it won't work; we've told them that
cutting cell phone communications with a jammer is "illegal". The
students are bringing in the 4G MiFi devices or are activating
ad-hoc communications with their laptops. They will always find a
way around restrictions.
The instructors from last year have given up on the concept and are
urging their fellow instructors to "cool it".
Harry Rauch
Sr. Network Analyst
Eckerd College
4200 - 54th Ave S
St. Petersburg, FL 33711
On 9/23/11 9:01 AM, Tomo wrote:
Weve had it
asked several times
here (including for cellular).
Each time we
point out that its an
academic/classroom management issue, and that
theres no simple technology
solution available at the moment to solve it. On
each occasion weve
managed to convince management that we cant do
it, and asked for
evidence from academics that say others are doing
this and been
deafened by the response.
_
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Infrastructure
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23 September 2011 13:38
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Subject:
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN]
selectively disabling wireless in classrooms
Hi Jim,
I also get this question/request a
couple times a year. I flat-out refuse to do it.
There are so many issues
(coverage of other spaces, the students have
cellular connectivity too,
managing the changes, etc.) but those play a very
small part in us not doing
it.
We simply dont do it on
principle. I dont feel that it is our
responsibility to help manage the
attention of the students in the classroom.
Luckily I have support from the
appropriate people on campus for that stance.
I will say that very few faculty
members
have asked overall. Most of our faculty are happy
to include online video,
Blackboard, and now iPads in their instruction.
Good luck!
Matt
Barber
Network and Systems
Manager
Morrisville
State
College
315-684-6053
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8:22 AM
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] selectively disabling wireless in classrooms
NO On 9/23/2011 7:21 AM, Gogan, James P wrote: Well, it's that time of year again the time when we get calls from a handful of faculty who want the ability to disable the wireless access point that covers their classroom during specific class periods (they also want cellular coverage disabled during those times -- yeah, right ..).When I point out that the AP that covers their classroom may also provide coverage for the one next door, or that with a controller-based architecture, shutting off one access point would likely just increase the signal coverage area of adjacent APs, the response I usually get back is well, I KNOW that other universities are doing it, so FIX IT. So, let me ask my biennial question: what ARE other universities doing in this regard?I was specifically given U of Michigan as an example.Anyone know what they're doing? Any successful implementation details from anyone dealing with this issue are welcome.And yes, I am biting my tongue to not say teach more engagingly. Thanks in advance! -- Jim Gogan / Univ of North Carolina ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. -- Heath Barnhart, CCNA Information Systems Services Washburn Univeristy Topeka, KS 66621 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] selectively disabling wireless in classrooms
Last year we tackled this problem by working with the Deans and administration of the University. Ultimately, it was decided that wireless access will remain on and available at all times as the management overhead would be horrendous to activate/deactivate AP's, there was no guarantee of bleed over from another AP, and there was no way for us to stop any type of cellular signal. In other words, if our students wanted to access wireless services, they would find a way regardless of the restrictions we tried to enable. The Deans made it clear to their faculty that wireless services would be installed in all classrooms and lecture halls (we have some programs that are required to have laptops) and would be available to students at any time. Adoption of wireless technology in the classrooms has been well received and having the support of the Deans and University administration really helped. James Jacobson Information Technology Services __ Midwestern University From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Gogan, James P Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 7:22 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] selectively disabling wireless in classrooms Well, it's that time of year again the time when we get calls from a handful of faculty who want the ability to disable the wireless access point that covers their classroom during specific class periods (they also want cellular coverage disabled during those times -- yeah, right ..).When I point out that the AP that covers their classroom may also provide coverage for the one next door, or that with a controller-based architecture, shutting off one access point would likely just increase the signal coverage area of adjacent APs, the response I usually get back is well, I KNOW that other universities are doing it, so FIX IT. So, let me ask my biennial question: what ARE other universities doing in this regard?I was specifically given U of Michigan as an example. Anyone know what they're doing? Any successful implementation details from anyone dealing with this issue are welcome.And yes, I am biting my tongue to not say teach more engagingly. Thanks in advance! -- Jim Gogan / Univ of North Carolina ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. image001.png
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] selectively disabling wireless in classrooms
Same here, we've been asked over the years, no for all the same reasons. I did see one wireless product, forgot who (maybe meru?) that claimed with enough AP's you could tell if the user is in the room or not, and if so, kill their access. Neat idea, not sure if anyone does it, still a scheduling nightmare. I had a funny counter, modify one (or more) classrooms and turn them into a Faraday cage, kill all signals in and out. Maybe even as testing center. Faculty could then schedule that room. I'm sure facilities mgmt would love that. ;) - Carl From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jacobson, James Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 7:19 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] selectively disabling wireless in classrooms Last year we tackled this problem by working with the Deans and administration of the University. Ultimately, it was decided that wireless access will remain on and available at all times as the management overhead would be horrendous to activate/deactivate AP's, there was no guarantee of bleed over from another AP, and there was no way for us to stop any type of cellular signal. In other words, if our students wanted to access wireless services, they would find a way regardless of the restrictions we tried to enable. The Deans made it clear to their faculty that wireless services would be installed in all classrooms and lecture halls (we have some programs that are required to have laptops) and would be available to students at any time. Adoption of wireless technology in the classrooms has been well received and having the support of the Deans and University administration really helped. James Jacobson Information Technology Services __ [Description: Description: mwuseal (Custom)]Midwestern University From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Gogan, James P Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 7:22 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] selectively disabling wireless in classrooms Well, it's that time of year again the time when we get calls from a handful of faculty who want the ability to disable the wireless access point that covers their classroom during specific class periods (they also want cellular coverage disabled during those times -- yeah, right ..).When I point out that the AP that covers their classroom may also provide coverage for the one next door, or that with a controller-based architecture, shutting off one access point would likely just increase the signal coverage area of adjacent APs, the response I usually get back is well, I KNOW that other universities are doing it, so FIX IT. So, let me ask my biennial question: what ARE other universities doing in this regard?I was specifically given U of Michigan as an example.Anyone know what they're doing? Any successful implementation details from anyone dealing with this issue are welcome.And yes, I am biting my tongue to not say teach more engagingly. Thanks in advance! -- Jim Gogan / Univ of North Carolina ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. inline: image001.png
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] selectively disabling wireless in classrooms
Thus spake Gogan, James P (go...@email.unc.edu) on Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:21:32PM +: Well, it's that time of year again the time when we get calls from a handful of faculty who want the ability to disable the wireless access point that covers their classroom during specific class periods (they also want cellular coverage disabled during those times -- yeah, right ..).When I point out that the AP that covers their classroom may also provide coverage for the one next door, or that with a controller-based architecture, shutting off one access point would likely just increase the signal coverage area of adjacent APs, the response I usually get back is well, I KNOW that other universities are doing it, so FIX IT. So, let me ask my biennial question: what ARE other universities doing in this regard?I was specifically given U of Michigan as an example. Anyone know what they're doing? Any successful implementation details from anyone dealing with this issue are welcome. We deny all requests and send them a link to this page (which we also have linked off our captive portal page): http://www.doit.wisc.edu/network/wireless/classroom-advice-for-faculty.aspx -- Dale W. Carder - Sr. Network Engineer University of Wisconsin / WiscNet http://net.doit.wisc.edu/~dwcarder ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
