Re: [Ninux-Wireless] Fwd: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management
Ok, ma permettetemi solo una cosa in merito all'oggetto: Le persone che stanno qui dentro ci stanno perche' vanno alla ricerca a livello generale del meglio per tutti. Se una mattina ti svegli e ti accorgi che saremo per sempre costretti a scegliere il meno peggio, il male minore... On 15/05/2014 22.36, BornAgain wrote: Ciao Massimiliano questa è la lista wireless di Ninux, cerchiamo di mantenere saldo l'oggetto della mailing list .. notizie come questa passiamole sull'altra not-wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@ml.ninux.org http://ml.ninux.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [Ninux-Wireless] Fwd: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management
Giro questa mail che è passata in tor-talk -- Forwarded message -- From: David Rajchenbach-Teller dtel...@mozilla.com Date: 15 May 2014 21:27 Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Firefox, Adobe, and DRM To: tor-t...@lists.torproject.org Hi Paul, It's actually more complicated than this. Since pretty much everyone at Mozilla hates DRM, we took the least evil option that did not involve project suicide. Adobe will implement a sandboxed proprietary black box plug-in for decoding DRM-ed data. We will provide an API to make it work and the ability for users to download the plug-in (very streamlined, most likely). The DRM code will *not* be part of Firefox. While the internal API hasn't been designed or implemented yet, I suspect that toggling a preference will be sufficient to remove the streamlined mode for downloading the plug-in. I am pretty sure most Firefox devs will toggle off that preference – I am certainly planning to. Alternatively, TorBrowser should be able to use IceWeasel, the entirely free fork of Firefox. This fork doesn't offer h.264 and will certainly similarly deactivate the DRM-related code. Cheers, David P.S.: I haven't heard about money changing hands, although I wouldn't be surprised if we had to pay Adobe for that. Whether you decide to believe me is, of course, your choice. On 15/05/14 20:08, p...@crable.us wrote: I just received a message from the Free Software Foundation advising me that Mozilla has climbed in bed with Adobe Corporation and will implement digital rights management, DRM, in FireFox. Until now they had not supported DRM. They claim to take this act to preserve market share, but it would not surprise me if money changed hands as an additional encouragement. TOR is not about DRM, but if TOR continues to use FireFox as the basis for its browser, then the nose of the DRM camel will appear under the wall of the tent. Some of us have assiduously avoided DRM, and TOR was one way to do so. Will it continue to be? The source code for FireFox is available free and so the DRM code could be striped out before making it the TOR browser. doing so, however, will require additional effort; is TOR prepared to take on this task? Paul -- Paul A. Crable. Portland, Oregon. U.S.A. PAUL AT CRABLE DOT US -- David Rajchenbach-Teller, PhD Performance Team, Mozilla -- Gabriele Ficarelli - Jon GPG: A5D862D7 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@ml.ninux.org http://ml.ninux.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [Ninux-Wireless] Fwd: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management
Per approfondire: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2014/05/reconciling-mozillas-mission-and-w3c-eme/ -- Gabriele Ficarelli - Jon GPG: A5D862D7 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@ml.ninux.org http://ml.ninux.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [Ninux-Wireless] Fwd: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management
Ciao Massimiliano questa è la lista wireless di Ninux, cerchiamo di mantenere saldo l'oggetto della mailing list .. notizie come questa passiamole sull'altra not-wireless ciao BornAgain bornag...@autoproduzioni.net Nodo su wireless comunitaria Ninux.org http://map.ninux.org/select/reggiocalbornagain/ Il giorno 15/mag/2014, alle ore 19.08, Massimiliano CARNEMOLLA ha scritto: Original Message Subject: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 02:22:33 -0400 From: Free Software Foundation i...@fsf.org Reply-To: Free Software Foundation i...@fsf.org To: Massimiliano CARNEMOLLA massimili...@null.net You can read this post online at https://u.fsf.org/xk. FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management BOSTON, Massachusetts, USA — Wednesday, May 14th, 2014 — In response to Mozilla's announcement that it is reluctantly adopting DRM in its Firefox Web browser, Free Software Foundation executive director John Sullivan made the following statement: Only a week after the International Day Against DRM, Mozilla has announced that it will partner with proprietary software company Adobe to implement support for Web-based Digital Restrictions Management (DRM) in its Firefox browser, using Encrypted Media Extensions (EME). The Free Software Foundation is deeply disappointed in Mozilla's announcement. The decision compromises important principles in order to alleviate misguided fears about loss of browser marketshare. It allies Mozilla with a company hostile to the free software movement and to Mozilla's own fundamental ideals. Although Mozilla will not directly ship Adobe's proprietary DRM plugin, it will, as an official feature, encourage Firefox users to install the plugin from Adobe when presented with media that requests DRM. We agree with Cory Doctorow that there is no meaningful distinction between 'installing DRM' and 'installing code that installs DRM.' We recognize that Mozilla is doing this reluctantly, and we trust these words coming from Mozilla much more than we do when they come from Microsoft or Amazon. At the same time, nearly everyone who implements DRM says they are forced to do it, and this lack of accountability is how the practice sustains itself. Mozilla's announcement today unfortunately puts it -- in this regard -- in the same category as its proprietary competitors. Unlike those proprietary competitors, Mozilla is going to great lengths to reduce some of the specific harms of DRM by attempting to 'sandbox' the plugin. But this approach cannot solve the fundamental ethical problems with proprietary software, or the issues that inevitably arise when proprietary software is installed on a user's computer. In the announcement, Mitchell Baker asserts that Mozilla's hands were tied. But she then goes on to actively praise Adobe's value and suggests that there is some kind of necessary balance between DRM and user freedom. There is nothing necessary about DRM, and to hear Mozilla praising Adobe -- the company who has been and continues to be a vicious opponent of the free software movement and the free Web -- is shocking. With this partnership in place, we worry about Mozilla's ability and willingness to criticize Adobe's practices going forward. We understand that Mozilla is afraid of losing users. Cory Doctorow points out that they have produced no evidence to substantiate this fear or made any effort to study the situation. More importantly, popularity is not an end in itself. This is especially true for the Mozilla Foundation, a nonprofit with an ethical mission. In the past, Mozilla has distinguished itself and achieved success by protecting the freedom of its users and explaining the importance of that freedom: including publishing Firefox's source code, allowing others to make modifications to it, and sticking to Web standards in the face of attempts to impose proprietary extensions. Today's decision turns that calculus on its head, devoting Mozilla resources to delivering users to Adobe and hostile media distributors. In the process, Firefox is losing the identity which set it apart from its proprietary competitors -- Internet Explorer and Chrome -- both of which are implementing EME in an even worse fashion. Undoubtedly, some number of users just want restricted media like Netflix to work in Firefox, and they will be upset if it doesn't. This is unsurprising, since the majority of the world is not yet familiar with the ethical issues surrounding proprietary software. This debate was, and is, a high-profile opportunity to introduce these concepts to users and ask them to stand together in some tough decisions. To see Mozilla compromise
Re: [Ninux-Wireless] Fwd: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management
Il 15/05/2014 22:36, BornAgain ha scritto: Ciao Massimiliano questa è la lista wireless di Ninux, cerchiamo di mantenere saldo l'oggetto della mailing list .. notizie come questa passiamole sull'altra not-wireless ciao Ciao Dario, in questa lista passano ogni mese almeno 4-5 forward di notizie di grande impatto e rilevanza per Ninux, anche se non strettamente wireless. Questi fwd sono fatti non solo dai nuovi ma anche da ninuxari navigati e di vecchia data. Basta solo guardare gli archivi degli ultimi 2 mesi per accorgersene. Non è mai stato un problema (grazie alla moderazione di chi li effettua) ed anzi aggiunge valore e informazione a tutti gli iscritti della lista, inclusi i nuovi. In particolare questa notizia anche se non parla di wireless ha tanti punti di contatto con un progetto come Ninux. Stefanauss. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@ml.ninux.org http://ml.ninux.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
