Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Bret Clark
No critical link should ever be standalone whether using expensive equipment or using lower cost equipment. Always a good idea to put a second redundant link in running something like RSTP or OSPF. Gino Villarini wrote: Whatever rocks your world! Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aero

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Chuck Hogg
We do as well. One of our MT links has more stability and reliability than a neighboring Trango Apex link. Regards, Chuck On Jan 30, 2010, at 11:38 PM, "Gino Villarini" wrote: > Not to sound like a jerk, but who would trust they're main backbone > feed > to a Mikrotik or Ubiquiti > >

Re: [WISPA] test

2010-01-31 Thread Phil Curnutt
V Phil On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: > ha ha > > > heres a test > > ... _ _ _ ... > > wonder how many folks are long time users and know that one real > fast ;-) > > > > On Jan 30, 2010, at 9:53 PM, Robert West wrote: > > > Okay, I know it's a test but I'm not very good

Re: [WISPA] test

2010-01-31 Thread richard sterne
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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Jayson Baker
True. All our links are redundant and have multiple diverse paths. On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 6:34 AM, Bret Clark wrote: > No critical link should ever be standalone whether using expensive > equipment or using lower cost equipment. Always a good idea to put a second > redundant link in running so

Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Stuart Pierce
To get started I would agree that the M-series can deliver 45 megs across the street. A couple of Nano5M's would deliver bandwidth but then the pps comes into play, so a Tik box to quiet things down a bit would be good. -- Original Message -- From: "Rober

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Tom DeReggi
MT is not a replacement for an APEX, since the value of the APEX is LICENSED spectrum. But, I share Chuck's praise for MT. WISPs have been running reliable backbones on unlicenced spectrum and MT successfully for years. The new MT hardware and Firmwares are really nice and plenty reliable. For

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread richard sterne
You don’t say what the distance is, But if you have the height to clear the road you could use a steel cable to support a fibre? Richard WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ ---

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Jayson Baker
Wait until you see the next release of firmware for the Ubiquiti MIMO equipment. Built-in spectrum analyzer, 1x better than Mikrotik, and almost as good as our $30k HP analyzer. Runs on the unit itself, while it's installed, in place, connected to the antenna. Can even run while the radio is in

Re: [WISPA] omni upside down

2010-01-31 Thread John Thomas
Stock Cisco omnis, we were hanging them from light poles. John RickG wrote: > Which antenna did you use? -RickG > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 6:03 PM, John Thomas wrote: > > >> We have mounted omnis upside down because an omni pattern tends to >> radiate from the base of the antenna upward. By

Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread John Thomas
Midnight overhead fiber run... :-) John Jeremie Chism wrote: > I have a pop across the street from one of my towers. The phone > company there is giving me a great deal on bandwidth but I have to get > it across to the tower. Any recommendations for something reliable at > that range. > >

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Glenn Kelley
I could not agree more! _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Jan 31, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Bret Clark wr

Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Glenn Kelley
Most towns will allow this - however they may charge you a few fees. 1. Franchise Fee: This can be tricky. Some locales will request to know the number of clients going through the link and then charge you a flat fee per client. If you take a look at your catv bill (and others) you may not

Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread lakeland
I think you forgot the most expensive part. Insurance -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Glenn Kelley Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:28:18 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul Most towns will allow this - however they may charg

Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread RickG
And the lawyer write and/or review the agreement! -RickG On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 3:38 PM, wrote: > I think you forgot the most expensive part. Insurance > > -B- > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: Glenn Kelley > Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:28:18 > To

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Robert West
Same here. High price doesn't denote high quality. Besides, high price tag items can blow up the same as lower priced ones. MT and UBNT work just fine. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Morris Sent: Satu

Re: [WISPA] test

2010-01-31 Thread Robert West
That would be SOS in morse. So there! That's one I actually knew I had a strange childhood. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:43 AM To: WISPA General List S

Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Robert West
Just not enough Ham operators on this list. The Hams would be pushing for the cheapest way of doing links instead of all the licensed and high dollar crapola. Some Hams could figure out how to run 300mb over a 20 mile link using parts from 8 track tape players and a jar of pickle juice, stuffed

Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Blake Bowers
Some of the HAMS are like that. Very few though. Most are appliance operators now. Of course, then you find the ones that will set up a link like that, putting out a spur right on the input of the local public safety repeater. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them do

[WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Jeremie Chism
Thanks for all the input. It is greatly appreciated. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: RickG > Date: January 31, 2010 4:02:20 PM CST > To: lakel...@gbcx.net, WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul > Reply-To: WISPA General List > > And the lawyer

[WISPA] Motorola Canopy SM Setup Issues

2010-01-31 Thread David Hannum
For about the past two weeks, we've been having problems setting up or Canopy 900 MHz SM units. It's really odd. For example, today I went out to do site surveys. When I connected to my survey radio and it seemed fine at first. I have the page set to refresh every three seconds for doing site s

Re: [WISPA] Motorola Canopy SM Setup Issues

2010-01-31 Thread Josh Luthman
First guess...you have NAT and DHCP enabled and when the radio reboots your PC gives up on DHCP (because the SM is rebooting). On 1/31/10, David Hannum wrote: > For about the past two weeks, we've been having problems setting up or > Canopy 900 MHz SM units. It's really odd. For example, today

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Chuck Hogg
Agreed as well, I wasn't trying to say that the Apex wasn't as good as the MT. My point was that at some point different backhauls have their issues and I wasn't trying to say that they are better or worse, just that a $10k link from them doesn't necessarily mean more stability. Regards, Chuck Ho

Re: [WISPA] Motorola Canopy SM Setup Issues

2010-01-31 Thread David Hannum
This happens even with our radio that we do site surveys with. Everything on that is default except Region, Frequency and Color Code. No NAT or DHCP. Dave On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > First guess...you have NAT and DHCP enabled and when the radio reboots > your PC giv

Re: [WISPA] test

2010-01-31 Thread RickG
Maybe not strange, but happy: http://www.happychild.org.uk/ifs/3mrs.htm This wouldve been nice as a child: http://www.javascriptkit.com/script/script2/morse.shtml This is kinda funny: http://www.zianet.com/sparks/coder.html -RickG On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Robert West wrote: > That

Re: [WISPA] test

2010-01-31 Thread Eje Gustafsson
What is faster morse code or cell phone texting... http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=2025791 097 Yeah... Kids today got things to learn ;) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG

Re: [WISPA] test

2010-01-31 Thread Josh Luthman
Rigged. There is no Blackberry keyboard - just that awful 12-key thing (not t9 autofill, but a total of 12 keys). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.

Re: [WISPA] test

2010-01-31 Thread Eje Gustafsson
In the speed texting championships you are not allowed any spellaids or predictive text program. The fastest texters all recorded their speed texting on 12 key phones. I could see allowing a competition between a qwerty keyboard and morse. But spellaids and predictive text programs wouldn't be fa

Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Scott Lambert
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 05:38:06PM -0500, Robert West wrote: > Just not enough Ham operators on this list. The Hams would be pushing for > the cheapest way of doing links instead of all the licensed and high dollar > crapola. Don't say cheap. It's simply more cost effective. Labor is free, af

Re: [WISPA] test

2010-01-31 Thread Josh Luthman
I have 26 letters on 26 keys on my phone. I'd have to imagine 1 key/letter being easier then 2-4 depresses/letter. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts

Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Glenn Kelley
ROFL - pickle juice has horrible RF properties... that is awesome! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wirele

Re: [WISPA] test

2010-01-31 Thread Robert West
I tried to learn semaphore as a kid but I just couldn't get it. So here I was, out with my friend Timmy exploring the woods and he goes and falls into a well. I had the flags and I just couldn't remember the positions to signal the rangers that we needed help for Timmy who fell into the well. So

Re: [WISPA] test

2010-01-31 Thread Robert West
We've gone backwards. The next phone to come out will have smoke signals. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 8:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] test What i

Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Robert West
I stand corrected. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Lambert Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 05:38:06PM -0500, Rob

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Tom DeReggi
Jayson, If that turns out to be the case, it would of course be very exciting for the industry. But, so far, both Ubiquiti and Atheros had been silent about this topic. Our (unofficial and non-expert) investigation inferred that Atheros chipset AR9220 series (Mikrotik) has Spectrum analyzer sup

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Tom DeReggi
That I agree with. But not a favor of RSTP for Wireless redundancy. Both PRimary and Secondary link need to be able to be monitored in real time, otherwise you cant guarantee the secondary link will be working when the first one fails. Often to prevent bridgeloop, one link has to be turned dow