[WISPA] PTP 11 or 18Ghz Backhaul Motorola Question

2010-10-01 Thread Scott Carullo
Lots of people talk about dragon wave, exalt, trango, SAF etc PTP radios on the list here. I rarely here anyone mention or compare Motorola PTP800 systems... why? Scott Carullo Technical Operations 877-804-3001 x102

Re: [WISPA] 11GHz fade margin

2010-10-01 Thread Gino Villarini
Scott, Hit me offlist if your interested in a quote, we are a disti Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent:

Re: [WISPA] 2.5Ghz Band Question

2010-10-01 Thread Blake Covarrubias
Not unless you own the BRS/EBS (formerly MMDS/ITFS) licenses for your area. We own them in a specific region of AZ, but not everywhere. =) Hit me off list for more info. I'm at the Phoenix MUM if you're here. -- Blake Covarrubias On Sep 30, 2010, at 22:56, Scott Carullo

Re: [WISPA] PTP 11 or 18Ghz Backhaul Motorola Question

2010-10-01 Thread Blake Covarrubias
We have a few Moto PTP, but primarily use Trango GigaLink for standardization, TDM interfaces, and licensed backhaul. Works well. We're phasing out other vendors due to price features, and not the ability to provide a particular advertised service. -- Blake Covarrubias On Sep 30, 2010, at

[WISPA] VoIP Providers

2010-10-01 Thread Robert West
Phone contract with Time Warner is about up and looking for some cheaper options. Anyone using a VoIP provider for business phones? Thought about doing VoIP myself but too much on my plate as it is. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5

Re: [WISPA] VoIP Providers

2010-10-01 Thread Jeremie Chism
Vox voice quality is very good. I only sell to business and no complaints. Sent from my iPhone4 On Oct 1, 2010, at 7:51 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Phone contract with Time Warner is about up and looking for some cheaper options. Anyone using a VoIP provider for

Re: [WISPA] VoIP Providers

2010-10-01 Thread Josh Luthman
I use our own. Couldn't survive without it being so busy. Let me know if you'd like a quote. On Oct 1, 2010 8:51 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Phone contract with Time Warner is about up and looking for some cheaper options. Anyone using a VoIP provider for business phones?

Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height

2010-10-01 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 10/1/2010 12:33 AM, you wrote: Fred, I think were saying the same thing? I wrote mine before receiving yours, but in any case, we were giving different information relevant to the topic. You gave a good link for a site to compute the HAAT of a given location. I went a bit deeper into

Re: [WISPA] Anything is faster than DSL in Australia

2010-10-01 Thread RickG
OK, first thought: This makes the higher speeds of wireless look great as I could easily beat the DSL upload time. Second thought, carrier pigeons average abut 30mph ( http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_fast_can_a_pigeon_fly). So, 132km=82 miles. That 80mph! Did I miss something? *** Since it's

Re: [WISPA] Anything is faster than DSL in Australia

2010-10-01 Thread Chuck Profito
I'm not a complete idiot -- Some parts are just missing. :-}) From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 9:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anything is faster than DSL in Australia OK, first

Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height

2010-10-01 Thread Matt Jenkins
What are the headings for your chart? I don't understand it On 09/30/2010 08:13 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 9/30/2010 10:37 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Fred, I'm sorry to seem dense but I don't understand your explanation below. I'd appreciate it if you would re-explain. The FCC said:

Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height

2010-10-01 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 10/1/2010 02:27 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote: What are the headings for your chart? I don't understand it Eudora had trouble with cut-and-paste of the original document. The first column is height above average terrain, from x to y meters (10 but less than 30, from 30 but less than 50...).

Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height

2010-10-01 Thread Matt Jenkins
Thanks for the explanation. I think I understand it. I have a couple more quick questions. What is the difference between co-channel and adjacent channel? Does that mean if I am more than 68 km from a station I can operate a fixed TVWS Base station at up to 600 meters HAAT? - Matt On

Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height

2010-10-01 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 10/1/2010 03:18 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote: Thanks for the explanation. I think I understand it. I have a couple more quick questions. What is the difference between co-channel and adjacent channel? Co-channel means the same frequency, so if you're on channel 31, you're protecting a channel

Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height

2010-10-01 Thread Matt Jenkins
Does that mean if I am more than 68 km from a station I can operate a fixed TVWS Base station at up to 600 meters HAAT? No. This was what IEEE 802 proposed. The FCC's Order referenced it, and then simply said that the maximum ground HAAT was 75 meters, full stop. Such is the

Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height

2010-10-01 Thread RickG
Eudora! Now there is a program I havent seen in years! On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.comwrote: At 10/1/2010 02:27 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote: What are the headings for your chart? I don't understand it Eudora had trouble with cut-and-paste of the

[WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-01 Thread Robert West
Just had to deal with a brute force attack on a MT router acting as a gateway. Came from these two IP addresses.. 59.42.10.38 61.155.5.247 Looked them up, they turn out to be pretty common for this sort of thing. Added a firewall rule to drop them and they are no longer filling

Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height

2010-10-01 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 10/1/2010 05:47 PM, you wrote: Eudora! Now there is a program I havent seen in years! Four years discontinued, there's still nothing as good out there to replace it (on Windows). On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Fred Goldstein mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.comfgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At

Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-01 Thread Jon Auer
Two options you may want to consider: a) automatic blacklist scripts: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Bruteforce_login_prevention b) firewalling off external access to your network management services On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Just had to deal

Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-01 Thread Robert West
Yep, I'll be a lookin' at all that. Need to rework it all anyhow. Been reading some scripts that Butch has posted as well. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jon Auer Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 6:00 PM To:

Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-01 Thread Greg Ihnen
Are you not using the brute force protection from the wiki? I use it on the ports I must keep open. Three strikes they're out. Greg On Oct 1, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Robert West wrote: Just had to deal with a brute force attack on a MT router acting as a gateway. Came from these two IP

Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-01 Thread Tom Sharples
I've often wondered, is it legal for the receipient of this sort of thing, to retailiate with e.g. ping or curl storms? Tom S. - Original Message - From: Robert West To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:57 PM Subject: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on

Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-01 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
How about an 'interactive script' that detects such attacks and automatically black lists them... ? Now, now now.. what would you do with all that free time ? - http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Bruteforce_login_prevention - Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 10/1/2010 5:57

Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-01 Thread RickG
I like it but what if the ip is being masqueraded? On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: I've often wondered, is it legal for the receipient of this sort of thing, to retailiate with e.g. ping or curl storms? Tom S. - Original Message -

Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-01 Thread Glenn Kelley
why not just block china (and other countries) from access unless it is something opened first from inside the network ? Would make a big difference :-) On Oct 1, 2010, at 9:28 PM, RickG wrote: 61.155.5.247

Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-01 Thread Glenn Kelley
Bob, If memory serves me correct - you do not have a central network - is that right? instead your just using multiple pops via cable modems? If that is the case - it might be a bit more difficult - on the other hand - if you have switched to a central network (or have this in some places)

Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-01 Thread Robert West
I've been migrating everything to a central location. Not done yet but boy, have had a mess the past 3 weeks with the reconfiguring and moving of stuff. As well as one major gateway out of the solar status to real grid power. Finally! Was interesting to watch the log, though. I blocked

Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-01 Thread Robert West
Oh, we do have fiber but it's not used in all AP's. Not yet anyhow. But the cable modems on top of a box in a field are primo, man! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 10:00 PM To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-01 Thread Robert West
Yeah? Send me that link, dude! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 6:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway Are you not using the brute force

Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-01 Thread Robert West
Why not?! Who would prevail if it ever came to a court?! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 7:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway I've often

Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-01 Thread Robert West
I'd sleep. I Just need to script it to add to the drop list if an IP fails with the login x number of times. Should work. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010

Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-01 Thread Robert West
Then we'll just send the pigeons over to poop on them. Easy. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 9:29 PM To: Tom Sharples; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-01 Thread Josh Luthman
Compliments of Butch Evans /ip firewal filt add action=accept chain=forward comment=drop ssh brute forcers disabled=\ no dst-port=22 protocol=tcp src-address-list=ssh_blacklist add action=add-src-to-address-list address-list=ssh_blacklist \ address-list-timeout=1w3d chain=forward comment=

Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-01 Thread Greg Ihnen
I change the address-list to just blacklist and duplicate the script for other ports I want to block as well. That way if they get blacklisted on ssh they're blacklisted for what ever else you're protecting (telnet, ftp, etc). I only keep SSH and WinBox ports open, I use SSH to reboot if it

Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-01 Thread Greg Ihnen
I was going to but I see others already did and someone sent Butch's script. Greg On Oct 1, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Robert West wrote: Yeah? Send me that link, dude! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Friday, October 01,

Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-01 Thread Josh Luthman
Ok who uses FTP and telnet?! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: I was going to but I see others already did and someone sent Butch's script. Greg On Oct 1,

Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-01 Thread Greg Ihnen
hackers? On Oct 1, 2010, at 10:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Ok who uses FTP and telnet?! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: I was going to but I see

Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-01 Thread Josh Luthman
I disable them on any important routers...they're useless. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: hackers? On Oct 1, 2010, at 10:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Ok who

Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-01 Thread RickG
Thats faster than sending poop via dsl! On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Then we’ll just send the pigeons over to poop on them. Easy. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG *Sent:*

Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-01 Thread RickG
And it aint even Christmas yet! On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Compliments of Butch Evans /ip firewal filt add action=accept chain=forward comment=drop ssh brute forcers disabled=\ no dst-port=22 protocol=tcp

Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols

2010-10-01 Thread Blake Covarrubias
I'm not sure how many of your are on the NANOG list, but there's a very interesting thread going on about RIP vs other routing protocols. Figured some people may want to read this. http://www.mail-archive.com/na...@nanog.org/msg26990.html -- Blake Covarrubias On Sep 2, 2010, at 11:21 PM,

Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-01 Thread RickG
But thinking back on it, imagine the “Damn it!” looks on their faces if they DID get in only to find a nothing Mikrotik routerboard! LOL, it would be funny to have something connected that did nothing. Better yet, just reroute them to fbi.gov! On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Robert West

Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols

2010-10-01 Thread RickG
Blake, thanks for passing this on. It appears to be split on whether they would use RIP or not. Of course, it really depends on a number of factors with size being one of those. My network is relatively small and I just use RIP to keep the static routes clean. I could see updating to another

Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

2010-10-01 Thread Robert West
Very nice! Thanks, dude! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 10:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway Compliments of Butch Evans /ip firewal

Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols

2010-10-01 Thread Rubens Kuhl
Is RIP solid?  It's been around for decades, and I used it extensively in the beginning years when I was doing everything.  But it seems that we have many problems lately and RIP is being blamed for it.  It's a very easy protocol to administer configure, not too complicated, so I can't