Re: [WISPA] WiMAX Security
W.D.McKinney wrote: - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:11:45 -0900 Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMAX Security Dee, There is a lot of interesting info and a lot of speculative and very wrong info in that article on WiMAX security; especially the part saying that it's easy to jam WiMAX. Witness the following text from the article: "It is reasonably simple, however, for an attacker to use readily available tools to jam the spectrum for all planned WiMax deployments. In addition to physical layer denial of service attacks, an attacker can use legacy management frames to forcibly disconnect legitimate stations. This is similar to the deauthenticate flood attacks used against 802.11 networks. Despite good intentions for WiMax security, there are several potential attacks open to adversaries, including: Rogue base stations, DoS attacks, Man-in-the-middle attacks and Network manipulation with spoofed management frames... " The article author imagines that jammers are going to have $30,000 licensed "rogue" base stations laying around to jam with. The author somehow also imagines the possibility of jamming "all planned WiMax deployments" - this is a ridiculous statement. The author further imagines that jamming will be allowed by the FCC. The FCC may not act against jammers in license-free spectrum but rest assured that they will very likely act against jammers in licensed spectrum. For example, if someone started jamming Verizon cellphone towers, both Verizon and the FCC would act pretty quickly to find the guilty party and have them arrested. They could probably even be charged as a terrorist under current laws. I'm glad you posted this link. Like many wireless articles these days, this one contains some good information and some bad information. All we need is the knowledge or the resources to tell which is which is which is which... jack Hi Jack, Well, try calling me tomorrow. It will be an interesting conversation. -Dee Dee, Thanks - will do. jack W.D.McKinney wrote: I am familiar with these issues and hope you have time to read the post today at http://www.dailywireless.org/ Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WiMAX Security
- Original Message - From: Jack Unger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:11:45 -0900 Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMAX Security > Dee, > > There is a lot of interesting info and a lot of speculative and very > wrong info in that article on WiMAX security; especially the part saying > that it's easy to jam WiMAX. Witness the following text from the article: > > > "It is reasonably simple, however, for an attacker to use readily > available tools to jam the spectrum for all planned WiMax deployments. > In addition to physical layer denial of service attacks, an attacker can > use legacy management frames to forcibly disconnect legitimate stations. > This is similar to the deauthenticate flood attacks used against 802.11 > networks. > > Despite good intentions for WiMax security, there are several potential > attacks open to adversaries, including: Rogue base stations, DoS > attacks, Man-in-the-middle attacks and Network manipulation with spoofed > management frames... " > > > > The article author imagines that jammers are going to have $30,000 > licensed "rogue" base stations laying around to jam with. > > The author somehow also imagines the possibility of jamming "all planned > WiMax deployments" - this is a ridiculous statement. > > The author further imagines that jamming will be allowed by the FCC. The > FCC may not act against jammers in license-free spectrum but rest > assured that they will very likely act against jammers in licensed > spectrum. For example, if someone started jamming Verizon cellphone > towers, both Verizon and the FCC would act pretty quickly to find the > guilty party and have them arrested. They could probably even be charged > as a terrorist under current laws. > > I'm glad you posted this link. Like many wireless articles these days, > this one contains some good information and some bad information. All we > need is the knowledge or the resources to tell which is which is which > is which... > > jack > > Hi Jack, Well, try calling me tomorrow. It will be an interesting conversation. -Dee > W.D.McKinney wrote: > > > I am familiar with these issues and hope you have time to read the post > today at > > http://www.dailywireless.org/ > > > > Cheers, > > -Dee > > > > Alaska Wireless Systems > > 1(907)240-2183 Cell > > 1(907)349-2226 Fax > > 1(907)349-4308 Office > > www.akwireless.net > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WiMAX Security
Dee, There is a lot of interesting info and a lot of speculative and very wrong info in that article on WiMAX security; especially the part saying that it's easy to jam WiMAX. Witness the following text from the article: "It is reasonably simple, however, for an attacker to use readily available tools to jam the spectrum for all planned WiMax deployments. In addition to physical layer denial of service attacks, an attacker can use legacy management frames to forcibly disconnect legitimate stations. This is similar to the deauthenticate flood attacks used against 802.11 networks. Despite good intentions for WiMax security, there are several potential attacks open to adversaries, including: Rogue base stations, DoS attacks, Man-in-the-middle attacks and Network manipulation with spoofed management frames... " The article author imagines that jammers are going to have $30,000 licensed "rogue" base stations laying around to jam with. The author somehow also imagines the possibility of jamming "all planned WiMax deployments" - this is a ridiculous statement. The author further imagines that jamming will be allowed by the FCC. The FCC may not act against jammers in license-free spectrum but rest assured that they will very likely act against jammers in licensed spectrum. For example, if someone started jamming Verizon cellphone towers, both Verizon and the FCC would act pretty quickly to find the guilty party and have them arrested. They could probably even be charged as a terrorist under current laws. I'm glad you posted this link. Like many wireless articles these days, this one contains some good information and some bad information. All we need is the knowledge or the resources to tell which is which is which is which... jack W.D.McKinney wrote: I am familiar with these issues and hope you have time to read the post today at http://www.dailywireless.org/ Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WiMAX Security
I am familiar with these issues and hope you have time to read the post today at http://www.dailywireless.org/ Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
