Re: [WISPA] Class: How to stomp Internet Freedom 101
Jonathan Schmidt wrote: It deserves debate because it is a slippery slope. My thinking too. The "Yelling 'fire' in a theater" or talking (or with a virtual bribe) someone into a crime is at one end that is generally agreed upon as undesirable for a society, sufficiently undesirable to prohibit it. Yes, both of these are a crime. IIRC yelling "Yelling 'fire' in a theater" is a crime if someone gets hurt from it. If no one gets hurt (and the police/fire department are not called) this is a non crime but in bad taste. If the police/fire department are called then (again, if I remember this right) it becomes filing a false police report. If the website was saying "lets go kill the purple people eaters" and suggesting that it is ok "because they are purple" then I agree the site should have been shut down with a single C&D letter. What's at the other in this country and in others? Where's the middle? What is the middle and who does anything about it and, if so, what? Good questions, I sure do not have the answers. What works well and what offers the best protection against a repressive government? Revolution every so often? It deserves the same attention to debate today as it did when the Bill of Rights was drafted. I think more so now. We are coming to a point where people are saying Internet access is a right not a service, to me that should mean that it needs to have the same rights as we do in public. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 6:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Class: How to stomp Internet Freedom 101 It does to a degree. I did not realize that (Canadian only?) FTA: "The Human Rights Act prohibits the communication of messages over the Internet likely to expose people to hatred or contempt based on religion or race." WOW that is "over the top". What next, No saying hateful things in public at all? The world is a lot worse off then I realized. Think I will go sue all those twits (and their ISPs) on IRC that keep calling me a Cracker (Ignoring that my nick is Crackers`n`Soup) Jeromie Mark Koskenmaki wrote: I hope this is no surprise to you... but Canada doesn't have freedom of speech, nor does the UK, nor much of Europe. So, let's not get too wrapped up in "internet freedom of speech" because it exists only in a fragile way, here in the US. We have our own self-appointed censors... YOu'll find them applauding the decision in Canada, and then publishing articles critical of banning kiddy porn... Go figure. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! --- - - - Original Message - From: "Jeromie Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 3:19 PM Subject: [WISPA] Class: How to stomp Internet Freedom 101 http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2006/03/11/1482485-sun.html Is it me or is this out of line? I thought all "free" countries had settled this in their respective courts already? Jeromie -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Class: How to stomp Internet Freedom 101
It deserves debate because it is a slippery slope. The "Yelling 'fire' in a theater" or talking (or with a virtual bribe) someone into a crime is at one end that is generally agreed upon as undesirable for a society, sufficiently undesirable to prohibit it. What's at the other in this country and in others? Where's the middle? What is the middle and who does anything about it and, if so, what? What works well and what offers the best protection against a repressive government? It deserves the same attention to debate today as it did when the Bill of Rights was drafted. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 6:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Class: How to stomp Internet Freedom 101 It does to a degree. I did not realize that (Canadian only?) FTA: "The Human Rights Act prohibits the communication of messages over the Internet likely to expose people to hatred or contempt based on religion or race." WOW that is "over the top". What next, No saying hateful things in public at all? The world is a lot worse off then I realized. Think I will go sue all those twits (and their ISPs) on IRC that keep calling me a Cracker (Ignoring that my nick is Crackers`n`Soup) Jeromie Mark Koskenmaki wrote: >I hope this is no surprise to you... but Canada doesn't have freedom of >speech, nor does the UK, nor much of Europe. > >So, let's not get too wrapped up in "internet freedom of speech" because it >exists only in a fragile way, here in the US. > >We have our own self-appointed censors... YOu'll find them applauding the >decision in Canada, and then publishing articles critical of banning kiddy >porn... > >Go figure. > > > >North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 >personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net >sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net >Fast Internet, NO WIRES! >--- - >- >- Original Message - >From: "Jeromie Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 3:19 PM >Subject: [WISPA] Class: How to stomp Internet Freedom 101 > > > > >>http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2006/03/11/1482485-sun.html >> >>Is it me or is this out of line? I thought all "free" countries had >>settled this >>in their respective courts already? >> >>Jeromie >>-- >>WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Class: How to stomp Internet Freedom 101
It does to a degree. I did not realize that (Canadian only?) FTA: "The Human Rights Act prohibits the communication of messages over the Internet likely to expose people to hatred or contempt based on religion or race." WOW that is "over the top". What next, No saying hateful things in public at all? The world is a lot worse off then I realized. Think I will go sue all those twits (and their ISPs) on IRC that keep calling me a Cracker (Ignoring that my nick is Crackers`n`Soup) Jeromie Mark Koskenmaki wrote: I hope this is no surprise to you... but Canada doesn't have freedom of speech, nor does the UK, nor much of Europe. So, let's not get too wrapped up in "internet freedom of speech" because it exists only in a fragile way, here in the US. We have our own self-appointed censors... YOu'll find them applauding the decision in Canada, and then publishing articles critical of banning kiddy porn... Go figure. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: "Jeromie Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 3:19 PM Subject: [WISPA] Class: How to stomp Internet Freedom 101 http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2006/03/11/1482485-sun.html Is it me or is this out of line? I thought all "free" countries had settled this in their respective courts already? Jeromie -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Class: How to stomp Internet Freedom 101
I hope this is no surprise to you... but Canada doesn't have freedom of speech, nor does the UK, nor much of Europe. So, let's not get too wrapped up in "internet freedom of speech" because it exists only in a fragile way, here in the US. We have our own self-appointed censors... YOu'll find them applauding the decision in Canada, and then publishing articles critical of banning kiddy porn... Go figure. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: "Jeromie Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 3:19 PM Subject: [WISPA] Class: How to stomp Internet Freedom 101 > http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2006/03/11/1482485-sun.html > > Is it me or is this out of line? I thought all "free" countries had > settled this > in their respective courts already? > > Jeromie > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
