Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
Call Butch, We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection. :-) laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures To All, The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of the woods from time to time. This is one of those times. - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P? - What are the most effective P2P countermeasures that you have employed, lately? - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make it available to all, via Scriv. Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick Harnish - I'll checkwith him. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
Buy an Allot Box. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How do you identify it if it is encrypted? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Call Butch, We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection. :-) laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures To All, The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of the woods from time to time. This is one of those times. - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P? - What are the most effective P2P countermeasures that you have employed, lately? - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make it available to all, via Scriv. Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick Harnish - I'll checkwith him. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
How does the Allot box handle the encrypted ptp traffic Mike? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Buy an Allot Box. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How do you identify it if it is encrypted? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Call Butch, We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection. :-) laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures To All, The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of the woods from time to time. This is one of those times. - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P? - What are the most effective P2P countermeasures that you have employed, lately? - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make it available to all, via Scriv. Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick Harnish - I'll checkwith him. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
I haven't specifically tested it, but they say that the Deep Packet Inspection engine will mark and rate limit Encrypted Peer 2 Peer traffic. I know my AC-802 does a very good job of marking and shaping traffic. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:32 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How does the Allot box handle the encrypted ptp traffic Mike? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Buy an Allot Box. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How do you identify it if it is encrypted? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Call Butch, We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection. :-) laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures To All, The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of the woods from time to time. This is one of those times. - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P? - What are the most effective P2P countermeasures that you have employed, lately? - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make it available to all, via Scriv. Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick Harnish - I'll checkwith him. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
It must be based on ports or something, or perhaps anything encrypted that isn't related to tcp/443, udp/1 or other well known VPN/web ports is what they deem peer to peer. I would be interested to find out what they are doing. To my knowledge DPI on encrypted traffic tells you that, well, that it's encrypted. As it should ;) Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: I haven't specifically tested it, but they say that the Deep Packet Inspection engine will mark and rate limit Encrypted Peer 2 Peer traffic. I know my AC-802 does a very good job of marking and shaping traffic. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:32 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How does the Allot box handle the encrypted ptp traffic Mike? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Buy an Allot Box. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How do you identify it if it is encrypted? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Call Butch, We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection. :-) laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures To All, The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of the woods from time to time. This is one of those times. - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P? - What are the most effective P2P countermeasures that you have employed, lately? - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make it available to all, via Scriv. Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick Harnish - I'll checkwith him. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You
RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
I'd be very interested in knowing how they do that. The point of encryption is to mask the traffic, so layer 7 packet inspection should not be able to tell what is there. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:44 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I haven't specifically tested it, but they say that the Deep Packet Inspection engine will mark and rate limit Encrypted Peer 2 Peer traffic. I know my AC-802 does a very good job of marking and shaping traffic. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:32 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How does the Allot box handle the encrypted ptp traffic Mike? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Buy an Allot Box. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How do you identify it if it is encrypted? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Call Butch, We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection. :-) laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures To All, The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of the woods from time to time. This is one of those times. - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P? - What are the most effective P2P countermeasures that you have employed, lately? - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make it available to all, via Scriv. Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick Harnish - I'll checkwith him. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
I believe the initial request is unencrypted, then the communication goes encrypted. Don't ask me for details, but this is what I've heard. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I'd be very interested in knowing how they do that. The point of encryption is to mask the traffic, so layer 7 packet inspection should not be able to tell what is there. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:44 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I haven't specifically tested it, but they say that the Deep Packet Inspection engine will mark and rate limit Encrypted Peer 2 Peer traffic. I know my AC-802 does a very good job of marking and shaping traffic. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:32 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How does the Allot box handle the encrypted ptp traffic Mike? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Buy an Allot Box. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How do you identify it if it is encrypted? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Call Butch, We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection. :-) laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures To All, The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of the woods from time to time. This is one of those times. - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P? - What are the most effective P2P countermeasures that you have employed, lately? - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make it available to all, via Scriv. Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick Harnish - I'll checkwith him. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless
RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
http://www.allot.com/index.php?option=com_docmantask=doc_downloadgid=25 Here is the Protocol List. They must be able to match some sort of signature. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:54 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I'd be very interested in knowing how they do that. The point of encryption is to mask the traffic, so layer 7 packet inspection should not be able to tell what is there. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:44 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I haven't specifically tested it, but they say that the Deep Packet Inspection engine will mark and rate limit Encrypted Peer 2 Peer traffic. I know my AC-802 does a very good job of marking and shaping traffic. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:32 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How does the Allot box handle the encrypted ptp traffic Mike? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Buy an Allot Box. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How do you identify it if it is encrypted? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Call Butch, We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection. :-) laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures To All, The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of the woods from time to time. This is one of those times. - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P? - What are the most effective P2P countermeasures that you have employed, lately? - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make it available to all, via Scriv. Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick Harnish - I'll checkwith him. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
If that is true, it would work. If you could match the handshake, you could track the connection form there. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I believe the initial request is unencrypted, then the communication goes encrypted. Don't ask me for details, but this is what I've heard. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I'd be very interested in knowing how they do that. The point of encryption is to mask the traffic, so layer 7 packet inspection should not be able to tell what is there. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:44 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I haven't specifically tested it, but they say that the Deep Packet Inspection engine will mark and rate limit Encrypted Peer 2 Peer traffic. I know my AC-802 does a very good job of marking and shaping traffic. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:32 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How does the Allot box handle the encrypted ptp traffic Mike? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Buy an Allot Box. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How do you identify it if it is encrypted? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Call Butch, We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection. :-) laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures To All, The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of the woods from time to time. This is one of those times. - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P? - What are the most effective P2P countermeasures that you have employed, lately? - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make it available to all, via Scriv. Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick Harnish - I'll checkwith him. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless
RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
Looks like you have to have a password Mike, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:14 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures http://www.allot.com/index.php?option=com_docmantask=doc_downloadgid=25 Here is the Protocol List. They must be able to match some sort of signature. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:54 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I'd be very interested in knowing how they do that. The point of encryption is to mask the traffic, so layer 7 packet inspection should not be able to tell what is there. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:44 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I haven't specifically tested it, but they say that the Deep Packet Inspection engine will mark and rate limit Encrypted Peer 2 Peer traffic. I know my AC-802 does a very good job of marking and shaping traffic. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:32 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How does the Allot box handle the encrypted ptp traffic Mike? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Buy an Allot Box. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How do you identify it if it is encrypted? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Call Butch, We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection. :-) laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures To All, The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of the woods from time to time. This is one of those times. - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P? - What are the most effective P2P countermeasures that you have employed, lately? - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make it available to all, via Scriv. Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick Harnish - I'll checkwith him. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
This sort of stuff uses a combination of ports, traffic heuristics (different types of traffic will have different traffic patterns--ie web browsing is intermittent, FTP may be sustained, p2p will have show a lot of simultaneos connections all over, most of which timeout, etc) and deep packet inspection. Deep packet inspection is marketing meaning they'll grab the first few packets from a Tcp or whatever session and analyze to see what type of traffic it is. It's quite simple stuff (once you brush all the marketing jumbo aside); if, for whatever reason (ie encryption) it can't use one of the above methods, it will just rely on the other two with the liability of less accurate results (resulting in some targetted traffic passing unfiltered and some untargetted traffic getting dropped). - Clint Ricker On Nov 20, 2007, at 3:54 PM, Jeff Broadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be very interested in knowing how they do that. The point of encryption is to mask the traffic, so layer 7 packet inspection should not be able to tell what is there. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:44 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I haven't specifically tested it, but they say that the Deep Packet Inspection engine will mark and rate limit Encrypted Peer 2 Peer traffic. I know my AC-802 does a very good job of marking and shaping traffic. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:32 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How does the Allot box handle the encrypted ptp traffic Mike? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Buy an Allot Box. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How do you identify it if it is encrypted? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Call Butch, We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection. :-) laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures To All, The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of the woods from time to time. This is one of those times. - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P? - What are the most effective P2P countermeasures that you have employed, lately? - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make it available to all, via Scriv. Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick Harnish - I'll checkwith him. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
Probably...dang sales people! :-) I read over the brief, and I don't see any mention of encryption. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I suppose they want to track you for sales purposes.. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Looks like you have to have a password Mike, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:14 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures http://www.allot.com/index.php?option=com_docmantask=doc_downloadgid=25 Here is the Protocol List. They must be able to match some sort of signature. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:54 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I'd be very interested in knowing how they do that. The point of encryption is to mask the traffic, so layer 7 packet inspection should not be able to tell what is there. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:44 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I haven't specifically tested it, but they say that the Deep Packet Inspection engine will mark and rate limit Encrypted Peer 2 Peer traffic. I know my AC-802 does a very good job of marking and shaping traffic. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:32 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How does the Allot box handle the encrypted ptp traffic Mike? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Buy an Allot Box. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How do you identify it if it is encrypted? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Call Butch, We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection. :-) laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures To All, The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of the woods from time to time. This is one of those times. - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P? - What are the most effective P2P countermeasures that you have employed, lately? - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make it available to all, via Scriv. Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick Harnish - I'll checkwith him. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
It's in the protocol list. I just read it before. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:34 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Probably...dang sales people! :-) I read over the brief, and I don't see any mention of encryption. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I suppose they want to track you for sales purposes.. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Looks like you have to have a password Mike, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:14 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures http://www.allot.com/index.php?option=com_docmantask=doc_downloadgid=25 Here is the Protocol List. They must be able to match some sort of signature. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:54 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I'd be very interested in knowing how they do that. The point of encryption is to mask the traffic, so layer 7 packet inspection should not be able to tell what is there. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:44 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I haven't specifically tested it, but they say that the Deep Packet Inspection engine will mark and rate limit Encrypted Peer 2 Peer traffic. I know my AC-802 does a very good job of marking and shaping traffic. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:32 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How does the Allot box handle the encrypted ptp traffic Mike? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Buy an Allot Box. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How do you identify it if it is encrypted? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Call Butch, We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection. :-) laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures To All, The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of the woods from time to time. This is one of those times. - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P? - What are the most effective P2P countermeasures that you have employed, lately? - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make it available to all, via Scriv. Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick Harnish - I'll checkwith him. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless
RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
Doh! I see it now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures It's in the protocol list. I just read it before. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:34 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Probably...dang sales people! :-) I read over the brief, and I don't see any mention of encryption. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I suppose they want to track you for sales purposes.. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Looks like you have to have a password Mike, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:14 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures http://www.allot.com/index.php?option=com_docmantask=doc_downloadgid=25 Here is the Protocol List. They must be able to match some sort of signature. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:54 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I'd be very interested in knowing how they do that. The point of encryption is to mask the traffic, so layer 7 packet inspection should not be able to tell what is there. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:44 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I haven't specifically tested it, but they say that the Deep Packet Inspection engine will mark and rate limit Encrypted Peer 2 Peer traffic. I know my AC-802 does a very good job of marking and shaping traffic. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:32 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How does the Allot box handle the encrypted ptp traffic Mike? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Buy an Allot Box. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How do you identify it if it is encrypted? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Call Butch, We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection. :-) laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures To All, The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of the woods from time to time. This is one of those times. - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P? - What are the most effective P2P countermeasures that you have employed, lately? - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make it available to all, via Scriv. Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick Harnish - I'll checkwith him. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
See, I'm Not always crazy. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:43 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Doh! I see it now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures It's in the protocol list. I just read it before. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:34 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Probably...dang sales people! :-) I read over the brief, and I don't see any mention of encryption. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I suppose they want to track you for sales purposes.. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Looks like you have to have a password Mike, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:14 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures http://www.allot.com/index.php?option=com_docmantask=doc_downloadgid=25 Here is the Protocol List. They must be able to match some sort of signature. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:54 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I'd be very interested in knowing how they do that. The point of encryption is to mask the traffic, so layer 7 packet inspection should not be able to tell what is there. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:44 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I haven't specifically tested it, but they say that the Deep Packet Inspection engine will mark and rate limit Encrypted Peer 2 Peer traffic. I know my AC-802 does a very good job of marking and shaping traffic. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:32 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How does the Allot box handle the encrypted ptp traffic Mike? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Buy an Allot Box. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How do you identify it if it is encrypted? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Call Butch, We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection. :-) laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures To All, The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of the woods from time to time. This is one of those times. - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P? - What are the most effective P2P countermeasures that you have employed, lately? - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all
Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
Grin It's not a perfect solution. What we'll be looking at next is a device that will allow us to track who the high users are in real time. Once they've passed a certain point, say 512k non stop for an hour, we'll start to slow them down more and more till they are a dialup speeds. Then, once they shut things down for a couple of hours it'll ratchet back up. The reality of the situation is that there isn't enough capacity out there for everyone to watch real time broadcast quality tv, download a new movie twice a night, talk on the phone etc. etc. etc. all at once. We have to MANAGE what happens and TEACH people to use more efficient technologies. PPV or broadcasting is a GREAT way to watch video content or listen to the radio. The internet wasn't designed for this and isn't up to speed for it. And with such limited spectrum and a HUGE installed base of relatively slow and inefficient radios out there already, it's an issue. I think that even the customers would agree that some limitations on service would be MUCH better than going back to the old dialup days or to DSL/Cable. And those are the only choices available for a lot of the people we're talking about. Sooner than later we're gonna see the big boys doing these things too. Right now things are still growing fast for all of us. And those guys will do ANYTHING to bring on the customer base. When that growth starts to slow down though, look out. IF they can rebuild their networks (again) fast enough to keep up with usage it may be no big deal. My guess is that they're gonna have to get really aggressive with customer control though. I give it another 2 to 3 years, then the market will be mostly saturated. So far things for broadband here are tracking very similarly to dialup as far as growth goes. But this time there is no better mouse trap on the horizon. Sure fiber's great, but no one thinks it's good enough to string it out to everyone in the next few years. 30 years from now? 15 even? Who knows. But I think the next 5 are looking pretty dang good. Especially with some of the cool new gear that we can start overlaying with our current stuff and let people upgrade to. laters, marlon P.S. Yeah, I noticed the Commiecast address. deep sigh SOMEBODY get this poor schmuck a real account! lol - Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:56 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How do you identify it if it is encrypted? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Call Butch, We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection. :-) laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures To All, The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of the woods from time to time. This is one of those times. - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P? - What are the most effective P2P countermeasures that you have employed, lately? - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make it available to all, via Scriv. Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick Harnish - I'll checkwith him. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
Ron, I think this will be answered readily on the members list when asked. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wallace Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures To All, The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of the woods from time to time. This is one of those times. - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P? - What are the most effective P2P countermeasures that you have employed, lately? - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make it available to all, via Scriv. Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick Harnish - I'll checkwith him. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
