Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces billtoencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]
our 7 year > old daughter walk downtown for a candy bar. Alone. We know we can (and do) > leave the keys in the car. Heck, I leave my wallet in my car, unlocked. We > don't lock our house, don't have to. We know that the chances of our kids > being murdered or assaulted is much lower than in the city. Out here, > sexual predators usually last weeks in the community. They don't stick > around. > > Know what else is true about my little town? We have MORE broadband options > than most of you in the city have. Usually at lower prices and higher > speeds too. > > I don't want government money to build out my network. I've seen what > happens when they get their hooks into you and/or your business. We could > have had food stamps, free government health care etc. All of that would > sure have made life easier and our business could have grown faster with > less debt. What we've done we've not down on YOUR dime. But my competitors > get YOUR money. Should they be the only ones that do? I'd like nothing > better than to see their funds shut off. That's not gonna happen though, > the closest I can do to level the playing field and stay in business is to > get some of the money too. > > When you've got your house, retirement, college money, everything on the > line, what are you gonna do? > > I hope that helps explain more about what really effects decisions that get > made here on the farm. > > Oh yeah, I spent a decade in the big city with a real job. You can stay > there with the crime, the filth, the disease and the threat of terrorism. > It'll take one hell of a big carrot before I'm gonna go back to that kinda > stress. grin > > Marlon > (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales > (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services > 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! > 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) > www.odessaoffice.com/wireless > www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam > > > > - Original Message - > From: "David Sovereen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 7:30 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces > billtoencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas] > > >> Your assumption is correct. Using your example of wheat, if you let free >> markets operate, then farmers who couldn't survive growing wheat would >> stop >> growing wheat and switch to a crop that would make them more money. I >> believe that all government subsidies should be eliminated and that we >> should pay market prices for goods and services. Government subsidies are >> nothing more than price manipulation and welfare for businesses. They >> cost >> taxpayers more money than it would if we just paid the market price for >> products and services, because there is the added cost of government >> oversight and dispursement of funds. >> >> Dave >> >> 989-837-3790 x 151 >> 989-837-3780 fax >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> www.mercury.net >> >> 129 Ashman St, Midland, MI 48640 >> - Original Message - >> From: "Cliff Leboeuf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 10:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces >> billtoencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas] >> >> >>> So David, >>> >>> I guess it is fair for me to assume that you don't agree the the >> government >>> paying some NOT to grow wheat or NOT to raise pigs so that those that DO >> can >>> survive on a reasonable profit margin and not be flooded by over >> production >>> creating too much product for not enough demand...? >>> >>> :) >>> >>> >>> On 8/9/06 8:57 AM, "David Sovereen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> Since when do the people on this list support taxation, waste, and >>>> government subsidies? Why should the burden of providing high-speed >>>> Internet to people in underserved (typically rural) areas fall on the >>>> shoulders of taxpayers? I don't want my taxes to pay to expand your >> network >>>> or for Joe User to get your service. >>>> >>>> If people want services, they should live in a city. If they want to >> live >>>> in rural areas, they should do so with the understanding that services >>>> (water, sewer, EMS, schools,
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces billtoencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]
grown faster with less debt. What we've done we've not down on YOUR dime. But my competitors get YOUR money. Should they be the only ones that do? I'd like nothing better than to see their funds shut off. That's not gonna happen though, the closest I can do to level the playing field and stay in business is to get some of the money too. When you've got your house, retirement, college money, everything on the line, what are you gonna do? I hope that helps explain more about what really effects decisions that get made here on the farm. Oh yeah, I spent a decade in the big city with a real job. You can stay there with the crime, the filth, the disease and the threat of terrorism. It'll take one hell of a big carrot before I'm gonna go back to that kinda stress. grin Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "David Sovereen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces billtoencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas] Your assumption is correct. Using your example of wheat, if you let free markets operate, then farmers who couldn't survive growing wheat would stop growing wheat and switch to a crop that would make them more money. I believe that all government subsidies should be eliminated and that we should pay market prices for goods and services. Government subsidies are nothing more than price manipulation and welfare for businesses. They cost taxpayers more money than it would if we just paid the market price for products and services, because there is the added cost of government oversight and dispursement of funds. Dave 989-837-3790 x 151 989-837-3780 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mercury.net 129 Ashman St, Midland, MI 48640 - Original Message - From: "Cliff Leboeuf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces billtoencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas] So David, I guess it is fair for me to assume that you don't agree the the government paying some NOT to grow wheat or NOT to raise pigs so that those that DO can survive on a reasonable profit margin and not be flooded by over production creating too much product for not enough demand...? :) On 8/9/06 8:57 AM, "David Sovereen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since when do the people on this list support taxation, waste, and > government subsidies? Why should the burden of providing high-speed > Internet to people in underserved (typically rural) areas fall on the > shoulders of taxpayers? I don't want my taxes to pay to expand your network > or for Joe User to get your service. > > If people want services, they should live in a city. If they want to live > in rural areas, they should do so with the understanding that services > (water, sewer, EMS, schools, cable, high-speed Internet, just about anything > and everything) are harder to come by and sometimes more expensive. No one > makes people live in the country. People choose to on their own, and they > should take responsibility for the costs and/or lack of services associated > with that decision. > > Just my own 2 cents. > > Dave > > 989-837-3790 x 151 > 989-837-3780 fax > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.mercury.net > > 129 Ashman St, Midland, MI 48640 > - Original Message - > From: "Chadd Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:36 PM > Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill > toencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas] > > >> IMO they need to start giving money to the end users to pay for hookup and >> installation. Stop paying to expand WISP's networks and give the money > where >> it is needed, if you want a bigger network pay for it out of your own >> pocket. In IL I doubt you could drive from Chicago to St.Louis and not be >> able to hook up to a WISP. >> >> >> Give money to the people who need to put up a 45ft tower to get >> access. >> >> Thanks, >> Chadd >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:54 PM >>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: RE: [WI
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David Weddell wrote: I wrote a 5 paragraph response to David as well on this subject, then erased it all. I am with you Mac and will choose to NOT make any derogatory comments at all. It just a shame to see all of these government programs being given to the RBOC's and others that abuse the money. Regards from rural Indiana where 35% of our population resides. I about said something as well. Even though I live in the city now, I spend the largest part of my life in a rural area. To be honest I miss East Central Indiana! Jeremy -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces billtoencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]
I wrote a 5 paragraph response to David as well on this subject, then erased it all. I am with you Mac and will choose to NOT make any derogatory comments at all. It just a shame to see all of these government programs being given to the RBOC's and others that abuse the money. Regards from rural Indiana where 35% of our population resides. Regards, David Weddell Director of Sales 260 827 2551 Office 800 363 4881 Ext 2551 260 273 7547 Cell www.onlyinternet.net www.oibw.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 11:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces billtoencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas] I could take offense pretty easy at most of your comments - - so I will just choose to NOT make any comments at all :) Regards from deep in rural Louisiana, Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC Rayville, La. www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us (VoIP Sales) www.radioresponse.org (Katrina Relief) 318.728.8600 318.728.9600 318.303.4181 318.303.4182 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 8:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas] Since when do the people on this list support taxation, waste, and government subsidies? Why should the burden of providing high-speed Internet to people in underserved (typically rural) areas fall on the shoulders of taxpayers? I don't want my taxes to pay to expand your network or for Joe User to get your service. If people want services, they should live in a city. If they want to live in rural areas, they should do so with the understanding that services (water, sewer, EMS, schools, cable, high-speed Internet, just about anything and everything) are harder to come by and sometimes more expensive. No one makes people live in the country. People choose to on their own, and they should take responsibility for the costs and/or lack of services associated with that decision. Just my own 2 cents. Dave 989-837-3790 x 151 989-837-3780 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mercury.net 129 Ashman St, Midland, MI 48640 - Original Message - From: "Chadd Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:36 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill toencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas] > IMO they need to start giving money to the end users to pay for hookup and > installation. Stop paying to expand WISP's networks and give the money where > it is needed, if you want a bigger network pay for it out of your own > pocket. In IL I doubt you could drive from Chicago to St.Louis and not be > able to hook up to a WISP. > > > Give money to the people who need to put up a 45ft tower to get access. > > Thanks, > Chadd > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick > > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:54 PM > > To: 'WISPA General List' > > Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to > > encouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas] > > > > > > Don't forget the 3rd great lie..."I'm from the government and I'm > > here to help > > you" > > > > :-) > > > > > > Jeff Broadwick > > ImageStream > > 800-813-5123 x106 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: 8/7/2006 > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/414 - Release Date: 8/9/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/414 - Release Date: 8/9/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
