Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to encourage high speedinternet access in rural areas]
too much money is going to loans and not enough to grants. Where does it say it supports that? If people want to see the government do positive things then they have to be part of the effort That I agree with. A small StartUp in MD, got the state government to back their inititive with a million in funds for an Eastern Shore project (if their own financing did not come through) with surplus unspend funds from the year's budget. I believe the biggest reason was because they got involved and were the ones that showed up at the tech committe meetings for two years. Its a gamble, but it can work out for those that put in the time and effort. I believe that any governemnet program is a plus, because it increases awareness. One program/bill does not prevent additional more helpful ones to be added also, as we improve awareness. The bill is a winner, even if its the only thing it successfully provides is the renewal of the Rural loan program. Even if I don't personally have areas that qualify, and alot of that money goes to Telcos. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to encourage high speedinternet access in rural areas] Replies below: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I'm not nearly as impressed with this as you are John. I never described this with the word impressed. I am never impressed that easily! :-) Money to study the issue AND a task force? To study an issue that the senator has already laid out? That the fcc's broadband task force AND spectrum policy force have studied to death? bull. I think part of this is to help the Connect SI initiative in Durbin's district of which I am a supporting member. It is a group dedicated to analyzing the availability of broadband, developing plans to build more broadband availability, build a common peering facility in the region and ways to use it to positively impact the economy in Southern Illinois. Sadly the WISPs walked out before anyone even had a chance to see what was on the table. This is a good deal for us if people just try. That is too much to ask many WISPs though it seems. I am the only WISP in the group. I am also the only small company who would donate time and money to the effort. If people want to see the government do positive things then they have to be part of the effort. Telling the government to buzz off does not work. It's an election year scam. Nice of you to sum up the hundreds of hours I have committed to state level broadband initiatives as an election year scam. If this goes the way I want then my service area will be color coded by signal availability down to the quarter-section level on the plat book and I will have access to every state and federal program for broadband available. I do not lobby for programs to be created but I do tell the politicians what I need to bring broadband to rural areas when they ask e and a good part of what Durbin is stating has to do with things me and others have asked him to do to help. Naturally, the devil is always in the details. I'm REALLY against the study crap, it's totally redundant. But the grants and auction reform may be nice. Have to see what they really put together. In case you do not remember t has been me for a long time saying that too much money is going to loans and not enough to grants. This is being addressed here unless he drops the ball. I had such high hopes for USF reform, but that's not only not gotten better, it's gonna be worse for us. And it looks like the TV band issue is either dead of wrapped up in junk that'll make it worthless too. What is your source of information on the TV bands? I have not received a single negative message in regard to the TV reform issues. If you want some USF funds then signup and get a SPIN number. Ask your local school to help you. They can set you up in about an hour. You can collect some USF now. Scriv It always seems to go back to the government supporting the people that live off of it first and those of us that feed it last. Getting cynical in my old age. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Frannie Wellings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 8:50 PM Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to encourage h
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to encourage high speedinternet access in rural areas]
- Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to encourage high speedinternet access in rural areas] Replies below: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I'm not nearly as impressed with this as you are John. I never described this with the word impressed. I am never impressed that easily! :-) Money to study the issue AND a task force? To study an issue that the senator has already laid out? That the fcc's broadband task force AND spectrum policy force have studied to death? bull. I think part of this is to help the Connect SI initiative in Durbin's district of which I am a supporting member. It is a group dedicated to analyzing the availability of broadband, developing plans to build more broadband availability, build a common peering facility in the region and ways to use it to positively impact the economy in Southern Illinois. Sadly the WISPs walked out before anyone even had a chance to see what was on the table. This is a good deal for us if people just try. That is too much to ask many WISPs though it seems. I am the only WISP in the group. I am also the only small company who would donate time and money to the effort. If people want to see the government do positive things then they have to be part of the effort. Telling the government to buzz off does not work. Yeah, you are correct there. I'm headed to the http://www.communitiesconnect.org/ meetings next week. It's a waste of time as it's all aimed at orgs that already get most or all of their money from the public troth. But I'll be there (only two of us wisps at the last one) anyway. Maybe I can either learn something or contribute a dose of reality. I agree, we've burried our heads in the sand for too long. I have NO desire to see the broadband industry follow the dialup model. Not the way that there's ended up being no way for the average dialup isp to upgrade to a good broadband program. It's an election year scam. Nice of you to sum up the hundreds of hours I have committed to state level broadband initiatives as an election year scam. If this goes the way I want then my service area will be color coded by signal availability down to the quarter-section level on the plat book and I will have access to every state and federal program for broadband available. I do not lobby for programs to be created but I do tell the politicians what I need to bring broadband to rural areas when they ask e and a good part of what Durbin is stating has to do with things me and others have asked him to do to help. As I said below, I could be wrong about the program. But look where the TV band issue has ended up. Worse yet, USF. It's about money and publicity John. PLEASE, let Durbin and anyone that supports his ideas prove me wrong! I'd be happy to be proven a fool on this one. Big time. In the mean time, I'll help where I can, put in my $.25 worth and do all I can. But I'll not bet my familie's future on it. Not in a million years. Not when I have no power and no money and no people in my coverage zones. No one cares about us any more than it takes to use us to push through a program that helps the incombants. In a way, it's expected. You and I go to our friends first when looking for help in solving a problem right? It's human nature. It's just very frustrating to not be one of the friends :-). Naturally, the devil is always in the details. I'm REALLY against the study crap, it's totally redundant. But the grants and auction reform may be nice. Have to see what they really put together. In case you do not remember t has been me for a long time saying that too much money is going to loans and not enough to grants. This is being addressed here unless he drops the ball. I saw that. It's certainly a step in the right direction. USF would have been, by far, the best way to cover this. If I got the same subsidy rate that century tel gets already I would have nearly $30,000 more MONTHLY income than I have today. And it wouldn't cost the government anymore debt. And with that much more money coming in every month I'd find a way to put service out to anyone that wanted it. I'd be able to cover 100% of my areas. And I'd be able to do it with a top notch network. I could hire some help and that would be good for the local ecconomies too. Oh well, maybe next time. I had such high hopes for USF reform, but that's not only not gotten better, it's gonna be worse for us. And it looks like the TV band issue is either dead of wrapped up in junk that'll make it worthless too. What is your source of information on the TV bands?
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to encourage high speedinternet access in rural areas]
That bill is big news !!! Personally, I think the the government needs to pass legislation that will have a quicker call to action, though. I call it the petition for a grant program. I believe any community that is underserved (no body will come), regardless of wether its rural, suburban or urban, should have equal right to get funds to gain broadband. This include low income projects, or small hole out side of range, where there may not be a financial insentive for large palayers to ever focus on delivering broadband to them. That means ALL AMERICANS deserve broadband, regardless of where they may live. I believe if a community can get a petition by a certain number of people, proving that they could not get broadband at affrodable rates in line with nearby cities, thay community should be able to get a grant, that can go only for payment to a third party service provider (such as E-rate). (service provider being joint applicant). Basically we need to minimze spending money on groups to think about broadband, and start funding groups that are ready to install broadband, and where their are consumers ready to start paying for broadband (monthly fees), but need the subsidy to incourage the initial installation. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 1:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to encourage high speedinternet access in rural areas] In a study of Iowa City, which introduced a muni fiber network in 199? - in comparison to the next city over that was doing better but did not install fiber - housing rates increased in IC tax base went up large biz came to town average per capita went up Court reporters; medical transcriptionists; virtaul assistants; voice over people; architects; programmers - all need broadband. And they would like to live in better America. That's how BB improves the economy. All from BB Properties mag. in 2005. - Peter Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Can someone explain to me how having broadband (instead of dial-up internet that EVERYONE can get) is going to create 61,000 jobs per year for the next 20 years? If it will create jobs from people doing more online, then it will decrease jobs from the brick and mortar businesses going out of business. Am I missing something? Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: 8/7/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
