Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level
All I can say is guys like you (Cameron) that donate their time and effort and have the ability to do this - -well - - are just fine folks. I wish I had a little Geek in me, but I am full blooded redneck :-) I can't even code a combination lock, but if you ever get this way I can surely make you a gumbo or jambalaya that is fittin for a King or grill you some Redfish that you'll never forget. Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 6:13 AM To: memb...@wispa.org; wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level OK, so I got distracted by my business today and won't have this ready until Monday or Tuesday. However, it will do a lot. It will take an input file of csv format, and not only will it return the properly formatted file for the 477 form, but it will show you all your customers on a map with the census tracts overlaid so you can visually verify. I'll keep the list updated as to the progress. Cameron On 2/19/2010 1:15 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: I have this app done and am wrapping up the front end to allow anyone to upload a csv file with a list of addresses that will be geocoded and then referenced to a tract. Output will be a csv file so you can do what you like with it. I should have it up on our site by the end of the day and will keep you all posted. Cameron On 2/19/2010 10:46 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Here is the list of state FIPS codes needed: 01 Alabama 02 Alaska 04 Arizona 05 Arkansas 06 California 08 Colorado 09 Connecticut 10 Delaware 11 District of Columbia 12 Florida 13 Georgia 15 Hawaii 16 Idaho 17 Illinois 18 Indiana 19 Iowa 20 Kansas 21 Kentucky 22 Louisiana 23 Maine 24 Maryland 25 Massachusetts 26 Michigan 27 Minnesota 28 Mississippi 29 Missouri 30 Montana 31 Nebraska 32 Nevada 33 New Hampshire 34 New Jersey 35 New Mexico 36 New York 37 North Carolina 38 North Dakota 39 Ohio 40 Oklahoma 41 Oregon 42 Pennsylvania 44 Rhode Island 45 South Carolina 46 South Dakota 47 Tennessee 48 Texas 49 Utah 50 Vermont 51 Virginia 53 Washington 54 West Virginia 55 Wisconsin 56 Wyoming 72 Puerto Rico Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- *From:* members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org]*on Behalf Of *Scott Reed *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2010 11:14 AM *To:* memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] [WISPA] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level I have a tool that will take a comma separated file in and return the file needed for Form477. I do not have a web interface or anything for it, yet. The file must be: ID,Latitude,Longitude,upload,download where ID is any identifier you want, upload is the upload speed per the FCC list and download is the download speed per the FCC list. As long as I don't get overwhelmed, I can accept CSV files at WISPAForm477[at]nwwnet.net and email the result back to you. This is not a quick process but for a couple of weeks I will do what I can. In the email you must tell me what state(s) to run the data for. It would be best to give me the census number of the state(s), but I can find it if need be. Scott Reed wrote: Ok, not all, but a lot of what was being complained about. And I agree, an application that would have data ready to submit would be nice. Matt Liotta wrote: Guess it depends on what you mean by it all. What I would create would actually submit the data to the FCC in a format they accept. IMHO, it is not enough to have a customer database with the information the FCC wants. You need to be able to send the data they desire in a format they specify. All of this can be automated. -Matt On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Scott Reed wrote: The USC site the Brian found last night does it all. Submit a database, get back a database with your lat, lon, county fips and tract. Database can be .csv or MS Access, maybe more. Matt Liotta wrote: You raise the money. I'll do the programming. WISPA can keep the money. -Matt On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Mac Dearman wrote: I would be glad to start a $$ pool to have someone develop a tool for WISPA members to get the data we need for the form 477. On second thoughts - - it would be better if we allowed everyone to use it (members and non members) if we could just get them to report! Mac -Original Message- From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level
OK, so I got distracted by my business today and won't have this ready until Monday or Tuesday. However, it will do a lot. It will take an input file of csv format, and not only will it return the properly formatted file for the 477 form, but it will show you all your customers on a map with the census tracts overlaid so you can visually verify. I'll keep the list updated as to the progress. Cameron On 2/19/2010 1:15 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: I have this app done and am wrapping up the front end to allow anyone to upload a csv file with a list of addresses that will be geocoded and then referenced to a tract. Output will be a csv file so you can do what you like with it. I should have it up on our site by the end of the day and will keep you all posted. Cameron On 2/19/2010 10:46 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Here is the list of state FIPS codes needed: 01 Alabama 02 Alaska 04 Arizona 05 Arkansas 06 California 08 Colorado 09 Connecticut 10 Delaware 11 District of Columbia 12 Florida 13 Georgia 15 Hawaii 16 Idaho 17 Illinois 18 Indiana 19 Iowa 20 Kansas 21 Kentucky 22 Louisiana 23 Maine 24 Maryland 25 Massachusetts 26 Michigan 27 Minnesota 28 Mississippi 29 Missouri 30 Montana 31 Nebraska 32 Nevada 33 New Hampshire 34 New Jersey 35 New Mexico 36 New York 37 North Carolina 38 North Dakota 39 Ohio 40 Oklahoma 41 Oregon 42 Pennsylvania 44 Rhode Island 45 South Carolina 46 South Dakota 47 Tennessee 48 Texas 49 Utah 50 Vermont 51 Virginia 53 Washington 54 West Virginia 55 Wisconsin 56 Wyoming 72 Puerto Rico Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- *From:* members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org]*on Behalf Of *Scott Reed *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2010 11:14 AM *To:* memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] [WISPA] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level I have a tool that will take a comma separated file in and return the file needed for Form477. I do not have a web interface or anything for it, yet. The file must be: ID,Latitude,Longitude,upload,download where ID is any identifier you want, upload is the upload speed per the FCC list and download is the download speed per the FCC list. As long as I don't get overwhelmed, I can accept CSV files at WISPAForm477[at]nwwnet.net and email the result back to you. This is not a quick process but for a couple of weeks I will do what I can. In the email you must tell me what state(s) to run the data for. It would be best to give me the census number of the state(s), but I can find it if need be. Scott Reed wrote: Ok, not all, but a lot of what was being complained about. And I agree, an application that would have data ready to submit would be nice. Matt Liotta wrote: Guess it depends on what you mean by it all. What I would create would actually submit the data to the FCC in a format they accept. IMHO, it is not enough to have a customer database with the information the FCC wants. You need to be able to send the data they desire in a format they specify. All of this can be automated. -Matt On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Scott Reed wrote: The USC site the Brian found last night does it all. Submit a database, get back a database with your lat, lon, county fips and tract. Database can be .csv or MS Access, maybe more. Matt Liotta wrote: You raise the money. I'll do the programming. WISPA can keep the money. -Matt On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Mac Dearman wrote: I would be glad to start a $$ pool to have someone develop a tool for WISPA members to get the data we need for the form 477. On second thoughts - - it would be better if we allowed everyone to use it (members and non members) if we could just get them to report! Mac -Original Message- From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 6:48 PM To:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com;memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA List'; 'Motorla List Beehive'; 'WISPA Board' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level WISPA will gladly place this on our webpage if we can find someone to help get it in place. Thanks, Rick From:members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 7:20 PM To: WISPA List; memb...@wispa. org; Motorla List Beehive; WISPA Board Subject: [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level I just found this web page
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level
I would be glad to start a $$ pool to have someone develop a tool for WISPA members to get the data we need for the form 477. On second thoughts - - it would be better if we allowed everyone to use it (members and non members) if we could just get them to report! Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 6:48 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA List'; 'Motorla List Beehive'; 'WISPA Board' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level WISPA will gladly place this on our webpage if we can find someone to help get it in place. Thanks, Rick From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 7:20 PM To: WISPA List; memb...@wispa. org; Motorla List Beehive; WISPA Board Subject: [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level I just found this web page that talks about a free API that could be used on a web page to do address lookup/geocode as well as map to the proper census tract and/or census block. I'm not a programmer but maybe someone on the list could look at this and put together something that could be used. Ideally it would do both single and batch lookups. If there is a way to also standardize the address fields to increase the accuracy that would be a big plus. https://webgis.usc.edu/Services/Geocode/WebService/GeocoderWebService.a spx Thank You, Brian Webster No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2691 - Release Date: 02/17/10 07:35:00 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2694 - Release Date: 02/17/10 22:30:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level
You raise the money. I'll do the programming. WISPA can keep the money. -Matt On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Mac Dearman wrote: I would be glad to start a $$ pool to have someone develop a tool for WISPA members to get the data we need for the form 477. On second thoughts - - it would be better if we allowed everyone to use it (members and non members) if we could just get them to report! Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 6:48 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA List'; 'Motorla List Beehive'; 'WISPA Board' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level WISPA will gladly place this on our webpage if we can find someone to help get it in place. Thanks, Rick From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 7:20 PM To: WISPA List; memb...@wispa. org; Motorla List Beehive; WISPA Board Subject: [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level I just found this web page that talks about a free API that could be used on a web page to do address lookup/geocode as well as map to the proper census tract and/or census block. I'm not a programmer but maybe someone on the list could look at this and put together something that could be used. Ideally it would do both single and batch lookups. If there is a way to also standardize the address fields to increase the accuracy that would be a big plus. https://webgis.usc.edu/Services/Geocode/WebService/GeocoderWebService.a spx Thank You, Brian Webster No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2691 - Release Date: 02/17/10 07:35:00 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2694 - Release Date: 02/17/10 22:30:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level
The USC site the Brian found last night does it all. Submit a database, get back a database with your lat, lon, county fips and tract. Database can be .csv or MS Access, maybe more. Mac Dearman wrote: I would be glad to start a $$ pool to have someone develop a tool for WISPA members to get the data we need for the form 477. On second thoughts - - it would be better if we allowed everyone to use it (members and non members) if we could just get them to report! Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 6:48 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA List'; 'Motorla List Beehive'; 'WISPA Board' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level WISPA will gladly place this on our webpage if we can find someone to help get it in place. Thanks, Rick From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 7:20 PM To: WISPA List; memb...@wispa. org; Motorla List Beehive; WISPA Board Subject: [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level I just found this web page that talks about a free API that could be used on a web page to do address lookup/geocode as well as map to the proper census tract and/or census block. I'm not a programmer but maybe someone on the list could look at this and put together something that could be used. Ideally it would do both single and batch lookups. If there is a way to also standardize the address fields to increase the accuracy that would be a big plus. https://webgis.usc.edu/Services/Geocode/WebService/GeocoderWebService.a spx Thank You, Brian Webster No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2691 - Release Date: 02/17/10 07:35:00 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2694 - Release Date: 02/17/10 22:30:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 09:54, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: The USC site the Brian found last night does it all. Submit a database, get back a database with your lat, lon, county fips and tract. How accurate is it, though? We actually tried something similar to that, and when we started reviewing and sanity-checking its output, got maybe 50% accuracy. Nearly 100% accurate in city areas, much lower for our rural customers. I ended up having one of my techs basically re-do the whole thing by hand over the course of a couple quiet Saturdays. At that time, we had around 1000 addresses to geocode, so it was feasible, but it might not be so for larger outfits. Trust, but verify. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level
I am mostly rural with about 370 subs. It hit all but 4 of them that had valid addresses. It showed me 2 that I had mistyped addresses and 2 were the billing not the service address. David E. Smith wrote: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 09:54, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: The USC site the Brian found last night does it all. Submit a database, get back a database with your lat, lon, county fips and tract. How accurate is it, though? We actually tried something similar to that, and when we started reviewing and sanity-checking its output, got maybe 50% accuracy. Nearly 100% accurate in city areas, much lower for our rural customers. I ended up having one of my techs basically re-do the whole thing by hand over the course of a couple quiet Saturdays. At that time, we had around 1000 addresses to geocode, so it was feasible, but it might not be so for larger outfits. Trust, but verify. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:30, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: I am mostly rural with about 370 subs. It hit all but 4 of them that had valid addresses. It showed me 2 that I had mistyped addresses and 2 were the billing not the service address. Weird. Out of curiosity, does your area use 911 addressing? Most of our problems were with customers where the address is just a rural route, which is just about impossible to geocode (especially if there are three tracts covering the same postal route and half the addresses don't even have box numbers). David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level
Yes, as far as I know my entire area has 911 addressing. That would make a huge difference. David E. Smith wrote: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:30, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: I am mostly rural with about 370 subs. It hit all but 4 of them that had valid addresses. It showed me 2 that I had mistyped addresses and 2 were the billing not the service address. Weird. Out of curiosity, does your area use 911 addressing? Most of our problems were with customers where the address is just a rural route, which is just about impossible to geocode (especially if there are three tracts covering the same postal route and half the addresses don't even have box numbers). David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level
WISPA will gladly place this on our webpage if we can find someone to help get it in place. Thanks, Rick From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 7:20 PM To: WISPA List; memb...@wispa. org; Motorla List Beehive; WISPA Board Subject: [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level I just found this web page that talks about a free API that could be used on a web page to do address lookup/geocode as well as map to the proper census tract and/or census block. I'm not a programmer but maybe someone on the list could look at this and put together something that could be used. Ideally it would do both single and batch lookups. If there is a way to also standardize the address fields to increase the accuracy that would be a big plus. https://webgis.usc.edu/Services/Geocode/WebService/GeocoderWebService.aspx Thank You, Brian Webster No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2691 - Release Date: 02/17/10 07:35:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level
I will be working on that in the morning as I have all my customers geocoded for Lat/Lon, but need the census stuff. When I get something that works, I will get it to Rick. Rick Harnish wrote: WISPA will gladly place this on our webpage if we can find someone to help get it in place. Thanks, Rick From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 7:20 PM To: WISPA List; memb...@wispa. org; Motorla List Beehive; WISPA Board Subject: [WISPA Members] Possible way to create a free tool for 477 reporting data at the tract level I just found this web page that talks about a free API that could be used on a web page to do address lookup/geocode as well as map to the proper census tract and/or census block. I'm not a programmer but maybe someone on the list could look at this and put together something that could be used. Ideally it would do both single and batch lookups. If there is a way to also standardize the address fields to increase the accuracy that would be a big plus. https://webgis.usc.edu/Services/Geocode/WebService/GeocoderWebService.aspx Thank You, Brian Webster No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2691 - Release Date: 02/17/10 07:35:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
