Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-29 Thread Mike Hammett
I was just going to provide a link to the whole list of them, but I couldn't 
get the web site to return anything for their FCC ID.


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From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 4:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

 SR4 certification grant
 https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPYRe
 questTimeout=500tcb_code=application_id=979597fcc_id=SWX-SR4

 Note the different permitted RF output levels depending on 4.9 frequency.
 https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=67
 7183native_or_pdf=pdf
 You will also note that the lower output power frequencies have only been
 tested for narrower bands (5MHz and 10MHz) and the highest output powers
 with a 20MHz wide signal.

 Complete set of documents
 https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhib
 itsRequestTimeout=500calledFromFrame=Napplication_id=979597fcc_id=%27SWX
 -SR4%27

 SR4 has been certified against the FCC verification rules contained in 
 Title
 47 of the CFR, Part 90, Subpart Y for Private Land Mobile radio services.

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 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of George Rogato
 Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 4:58 PM
 To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

 So Ubiquiti may be an answer then. Assuming they do have their cards
 certified.



 lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
 4.9 GHz is covered by Part 90 and does not need to be a certified 
 system
 only the emitter needs to be certfied.

 -B-
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com

 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:46:17
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex


 StarOS will do 4.9ghz FD no problem.

 The X4000 and X2000 units can both do this.  They are FCC approved,
 although someone would probably argue that they may not be approved with
 all of the 4.9ghz antennas.   I know it works, and we use it combined
 with Tranzeo 4.9 CPE radios for our local city government and county
 government.   I also know that StarOS is being used all around Boston to
 deliver highway cameras and security cameras back to monitoring
 locations for government entities, so it is out there in use by many
 parties and is not a homebrew solution as some here will suggest.

 If you have to get FDD in 4.9ghz, this will do it.

 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com

 Matt Jenkins wrote:
 I would like to see some test cases with real world stats on these. If
 they do what they claim it would make them a very appealing choice.

 3-dB Networks wrote:

 Yes it is MIMO.  It operates in the same channel in Horizontal and
 Vertical... much like Orthogon et. al.

 Your right though... its sales fluff (which in this case though could 
 be
 helpful sales fluff).  Guess I got caught up in it without really
 thinking
 about that :-)

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com







 
 
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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-28 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
StarOS will do 4.9ghz FD no problem.

The X4000 and X2000 units can both do this.  They are FCC approved, 
although someone would probably argue that they may not be approved with 
all of the 4.9ghz antennas.   I know it works, and we use it combined 
with Tranzeo 4.9 CPE radios for our local city government and county 
government.   I also know that StarOS is being used all around Boston to 
deliver highway cameras and security cameras back to monitoring 
locations for government entities, so it is out there in use by many 
parties and is not a homebrew solution as some here will suggest.

If you have to get FDD in 4.9ghz, this will do it.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

Matt Jenkins wrote:
 I would like to see some test cases with real world stats on these. If 
 they do what they claim it would make them a very appealing choice.

 3-dB Networks wrote:
   
 Yes it is MIMO.  It operates in the same channel in Horizontal and
 Vertical... much like Orthogon et. al.

 Your right though... its sales fluff (which in this case though could be
 helpful sales fluff).  Guess I got caught up in it without really thinking
 about that :-)

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com


 




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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-28 Thread lakeland
4.9 GHz is covered by Part 90 and does not need to be a certified system only 
the emitter needs to be certfied.

-B-
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-Original Message-
From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:46:17 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex


StarOS will do 4.9ghz FD no problem.

The X4000 and X2000 units can both do this.  They are FCC approved, 
although someone would probably argue that they may not be approved with 
all of the 4.9ghz antennas.   I know it works, and we use it combined 
with Tranzeo 4.9 CPE radios for our local city government and county 
government.   I also know that StarOS is being used all around Boston to 
deliver highway cameras and security cameras back to monitoring 
locations for government entities, so it is out there in use by many 
parties and is not a homebrew solution as some here will suggest.

If you have to get FDD in 4.9ghz, this will do it.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

Matt Jenkins wrote:
 I would like to see some test cases with real world stats on these. If 
 they do what they claim it would make them a very appealing choice.

 3-dB Networks wrote:
   
 Yes it is MIMO.  It operates in the same channel in Horizontal and
 Vertical... much like Orthogon et. al.

 Your right though... its sales fluff (which in this case though could be
 helpful sales fluff).  Guess I got caught up in it without really thinking
 about that :-)

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com


 




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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-28 Thread George Rogato
So Ubiquiti may be an answer then. Assuming they do have their cards 
certified.



lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
 4.9 GHz is covered by Part 90 and does not need to be a certified system 
 only the emitter needs to be certfied.
 
 -B-
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com
 
 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:46:17 
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
 
 
 StarOS will do 4.9ghz FD no problem.
 
 The X4000 and X2000 units can both do this.  They are FCC approved, 
 although someone would probably argue that they may not be approved with 
 all of the 4.9ghz antennas.   I know it works, and we use it combined 
 with Tranzeo 4.9 CPE radios for our local city government and county 
 government.   I also know that StarOS is being used all around Boston to 
 deliver highway cameras and security cameras back to monitoring 
 locations for government entities, so it is out there in use by many 
 parties and is not a homebrew solution as some here will suggest.
 
 If you have to get FDD in 4.9ghz, this will do it.
 
 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com
 
 Matt Jenkins wrote:
 I would like to see some test cases with real world stats on these. If 
 they do what they claim it would make them a very appealing choice.

 3-dB Networks wrote:
   
 Yes it is MIMO.  It operates in the same channel in Horizontal and
 Vertical... much like Orthogon et. al.

 Your right though... its sales fluff (which in this case though could be
 helpful sales fluff).  Guess I got caught up in it without really thinking
 about that :-)

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com


 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-27 Thread Matt Jenkins
Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and 
Redline are the top choices.

On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing 
commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for 
Government data?

- Matt

Matt Jenkins wrote:
 Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?
 
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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-27 Thread Plexicomm Admin
Did you look at Exalt?

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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex


 Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and
 Redline are the top choices.

 On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing
 commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for
 Government data?

 - Matt

 Matt Jenkins wrote:
 Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?

 - Matt


 
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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-27 Thread 3-dB Networks
Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half
duplex.  Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400
Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-)

The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are
Full Duplex

As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long
time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details.

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Did you look at Exalt?

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Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex


 Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin,
and
 Redline are the top choices.

 On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing
 commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for
 Government data?

 - Matt

 Matt Jenkins wrote:
 Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?

 - Matt


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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-27 Thread Bob Moldashel

http://exaltcom.com/sublanding.aspx?id=70


Matt Jenkins wrote:
 Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and 
 Redline are the top choices.

 On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing 
 commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for 
 Government data?

 - Matt

 Matt Jenkins wrote:
   
 Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?

 - Matt


 
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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-27 Thread Jack Unger




Right. It's for government (public safety) data. 

Matt Jenkins wrote:

  Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin, and 
Redline are the top choices.

On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing 
commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for 
Government data?

- Matt

Matt Jenkins wrote:
  
  
Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?

- Matt



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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-27 Thread Bob Moldashel
There is alot of confusion here.

 From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex.

 From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex 
specs.  I cannot answer for Motorola or the others.

The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth 
capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data 
through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate.  So I can get 25/25 or an 
asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number.

The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps.

If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20 
mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff!

Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on 
channel size.  But 40 mb is the max.

I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in 
front of me.

As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to 
his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that 
point.

Bob



3-dB Networks wrote:
 Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half
 duplex.  Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400
 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-)

 The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that are
 Full Duplex

 As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a long
 time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details.

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com

   
 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

 Did you look at Exalt?

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 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex


 
 Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin,
   
 and
 
 Redline are the top choices.

 On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing
 commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for
 Government data?

 - Matt

 Matt Jenkins wrote:
   
 Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?

 - Matt


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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-27 Thread 3-dB Networks
Radwin radios are designed for TDM transport... that is really the market
they play towards... cellular carriers.  Transport is fixed to full
duplex... and designed with that in mind.  But from an RF standpoint you
would be right since it only transmits on one channel.

The Radwin gear transmits in two 20MHz channels, one horizontal polarity and
one vertical polarity... I don't see any reason to doubt their throughput
numbers.

But at the end of the day... if the customer wants to see a full duplex
radio... only the Radwin one is marketed that way.  My experience is most
customers like this don't care how it actually works... as long as it does
what they think they want.

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

There is alot of confusion here.

 From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex.

 From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex
specs.  I cannot answer for Motorola or the others.

The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth
capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data
through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate.  So I can get 25/25 or an
asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number.

The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps.

If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20
mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff!

Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on
channel size.  But 40 mb is the max.

I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in
front of me.

As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to
his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that
point.

Bob



3-dB Networks wrote:
 Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half
 duplex.  Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP
400
 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-)

 The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that
are
 Full Duplex

 As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread
a long
 time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details.

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com


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 Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin,

 and

 Redline are the top choices.

 On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing
 commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for
 Government data?

 - Matt

 Matt Jenkins wrote:

 Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?

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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-27 Thread Bob Moldashel
Nope...still have the same issues.

If one radio did the transmitting and the other link the receiving you 
would be true RF full duplex but with TDD that theory may have holes.





Josh Luthman wrote:
 What about settings up two links side by side and using a router to make
 them pseudo-fdx?

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 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
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 --- Henry Spencer


 On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

   
 There is alot of confusion here.

  From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex.

  From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex
 specs.  I cannot answer for Motorola or the others.

 The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth
 capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data
 through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate.  So I can get 25/25 or an
 asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number.

 The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps.

 If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20
 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff!

 Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on
 channel size.  But 40 mb is the max.

 I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in
 front of me.

 As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to
 his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that
 point.

 Bob



 3-dB Networks wrote:
 
 Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half
 duplex.  Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400
 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-)

 The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that
   
 are
 
 Full Duplex

 As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a
   
 long
 
 time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details.

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com


   
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 Did you look at Exalt?

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 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex



 
 Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin,

   
 and

 
 Redline are the top choices.

 On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing
 commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for
 Government data?

 - Matt

 Matt Jenkins wrote:

   
 Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?

 - Matt


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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-27 Thread Matt Jenkins
I am looking into this as well.

Josh Luthman wrote:
 What about settings up two links side by side and using a router to make
 them pseudo-fdx?
 
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 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
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 --- Henry Spencer
 
 
 On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
 
 There is alot of confusion here.

  From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex.

  From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex
 specs.  I cannot answer for Motorola or the others.

 The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth
 capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data
 through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate.  So I can get 25/25 or an
 asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number.

 The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps.

 If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20
 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff!

 Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on
 channel size.  But 40 mb is the max.

 I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in
 front of me.

 As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to
 his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that
 point.

 Bob



 3-dB Networks wrote:
 Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half
 duplex.  Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400
 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-)

 The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that
 are
 Full Duplex

 As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a
 long
 time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details.

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com


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 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

 Did you look at Exalt?

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 From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex



 Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin,

 and

 Redline are the top choices.

 On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing
 commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for
 Government data?

 - Matt

 Matt Jenkins wrote:

 Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?

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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-27 Thread Bob Moldashel
The Exalt is also a TDM radio.

I didn't see that Radwin was MIMO. Does it operate on the same channel 
or does horizontal and vertical need to be on separate channels?

I agree that Radwin advertises full duplex but again that is either a 
mistake or sales fluff.  All the equipment is TDD. 

And I agree that as long as the customer gets what he thinks he wants, 
that is the goal.

-B-

3-dB Networks wrote:
 Radwin radios are designed for TDM transport... that is really the market
 they play towards... cellular carriers.  Transport is fixed to full
 duplex... and designed with that in mind.  But from an RF standpoint you
 would be right since it only transmits on one channel.

 The Radwin gear transmits in two 20MHz channels, one horizontal polarity and
 one vertical polarity... I don't see any reason to doubt their throughput
 numbers.

 But at the end of the day... if the customer wants to see a full duplex
 radio... only the Radwin one is marketed that way.  My experience is most
 customers like this don't care how it actually works... as long as it does
 what they think they want.

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com


   
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:54 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

 There is alot of confusion here.

 From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex.

 From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex
 specs.  I cannot answer for Motorola or the others.

 The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth
 capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data
 through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate.  So I can get 25/25 or an
 asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number.

 The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps.

 If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20
 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff!

 Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on
 channel size.  But 40 mb is the max.

 I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in
 front of me.

 As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to
 his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that
 point.

 Bob



 3-dB Networks wrote:
 
 Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half
 duplex.  Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP
   
 400
 
 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-)

 The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that
   
 are
 
 Full Duplex

 As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread
   
 a long
 
 time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details.

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com


   
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 
 On
 
 Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

 Did you look at Exalt?

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 - Original Message -
 From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex



 
 Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin,

   
 and

 
 Redline are the top choices.

 On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing
 commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for
 Government data?

 - Matt

 Matt Jenkins wrote:

   
 Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?

 - Matt


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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-27 Thread Bob Moldashel
You can stop looking.  You still wont get a full duplex link. FD is the 
radio transmits on one channel and receives on the other.  Considering 
there is no equipment on the Commissions list that does not do TDD or 
something similar you will never get true FD.

-B-



Matt Jenkins wrote:
 I am looking into this as well.

 Josh Luthman wrote:
   
 What about settings up two links side by side and using a router to make
 them pseudo-fdx?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

 
 There is alot of confusion here.

  From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex.

  From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex
 specs.  I cannot answer for Motorola or the others.

 The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth
 capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data
 through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate.  So I can get 25/25 or an
 asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number.

 The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps.

 If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20
 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff!

 Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on
 channel size.  But 40 mb is the max.

 I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in
 front of me.

 As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to
 his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that
 point.

 Bob



 3-dB Networks wrote:
   
 Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half
 duplex.  Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400
 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-)

 The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that
 
 are
   
 Full Duplex

 As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a
 
 long
   
 time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details.

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com


 
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 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

 Did you look at Exalt?

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 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713

 - Original Message -
 From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex



   
 Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin,

 
 and

   
 Redline are the top choices.

 On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing
 commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for
 Government data?

 - Matt

 Matt Jenkins wrote:

 
 Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?

 - Matt


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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-27 Thread Matt Jenkins
I am aware of that. I have begun looking at using routers to do the FD 
part and 2 pairs of radios with filters. The advantage of this is if 
their is a radio failure everything could then auto route all traffic 
over the one remaining radio.

Bob Moldashel wrote:
 You can stop looking.  You still wont get a full duplex link. FD is the 
 radio transmits on one channel and receives on the other.  Considering 
 there is no equipment on the Commissions list that does not do TDD or 
 something similar you will never get true FD.
 
 -B-
 
 
 
 Matt Jenkins wrote:
 I am looking into this as well.

 Josh Luthman wrote:
   
 What about settings up two links side by side and using a router to make
 them pseudo-fdx?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

 
 There is alot of confusion here.

  From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex.

  From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex
 specs.  I cannot answer for Motorola or the others.

 The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth
 capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data
 through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate.  So I can get 25/25 or an
 asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number.

 The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps.

 If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20
 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff!

 Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on
 channel size.  But 40 mb is the max.

 I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in
 front of me.

 As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to
 his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that
 point.

 Bob



 3-dB Networks wrote:
   
 Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half
 duplex.  Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400
 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-)

 The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that
 
 are
   
 Full Duplex

 As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a
 
 long
   
 time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details.

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com


 
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 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

 Did you look at Exalt?

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 - Original Message -
 From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex



   
 Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin,

 
 and

   
 Redline are the top choices.

 On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing
 commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for
 Government data?

 - Matt

 Matt Jenkins wrote:

 
 Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?

 - Matt


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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-27 Thread lakeland
Ok. That makes sense. I thought you were still attempting full duplex

My bad
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:34:28 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex


I am aware of that. I have begun looking at using routers to do the FD 
part and 2 pairs of radios with filters. The advantage of this is if 
their is a radio failure everything could then auto route all traffic 
over the one remaining radio.

Bob Moldashel wrote:
 You can stop looking.  You still wont get a full duplex link. FD is the 
 radio transmits on one channel and receives on the other.  Considering 
 there is no equipment on the Commissions list that does not do TDD or 
 something similar you will never get true FD.
 
 -B-
 
 
 
 Matt Jenkins wrote:
 I am looking into this as well.

 Josh Luthman wrote:
   
 What about settings up two links side by side and using a router to make
 them pseudo-fdx?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

 
 There is alot of confusion here.

  From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex.

  From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full duplex
 specs.  I cannot answer for Motorola or the others.

 The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical bandwidth
 capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the data
 through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate.  So I can get 25/25 or an
 asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number.

 The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps.

 If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20
 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real fluff!

 Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on
 channel size.  But 40 mb is the max.

 I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet in
 front of me.

 As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to
 his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that
 point.

 Bob



 3-dB Networks wrote:
   
 Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half
 duplex.  Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP 400
 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-)

 The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of that
 
 are
   
 Full Duplex

 As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread a
 
 long
   
 time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details.

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com


 
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 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

 Did you look at Exalt?

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 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex



   
 Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave, Radwin,

 
 and

   
 Redline are the top choices.

 On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing
 commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for
 Government data?

 - Matt

 Matt Jenkins wrote:

 
 Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?

 - Matt


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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-27 Thread Josh Luthman
Better to cut the bandwidth in half then the whole thing being down, though!

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On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.netwrote:

 I am aware of that. I have begun looking at using routers to do the FD
 part and 2 pairs of radios with filters. The advantage of this is if
 their is a radio failure everything could then auto route all traffic
 over the one remaining radio.

 Bob Moldashel wrote:
  You can stop looking.  You still wont get a full duplex link. FD is the
  radio transmits on one channel and receives on the other.  Considering
  there is no equipment on the Commissions list that does not do TDD or
  something similar you will never get true FD.
 
  -B-
 
 
 
  Matt Jenkins wrote:
  I am looking into this as well.
 
  Josh Luthman wrote:
 
  What about settings up two links side by side and using a router to
 make
  them pseudo-fdx?
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
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  Suite 1337
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  --- Henry Spencer
 
 
  On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net
 wrote:
 
 
  There is alot of confusion here.
 
   From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex.
 
   From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full
 duplex
  specs.  I cannot answer for Motorola or the others.
 
  The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical
 bandwidth
  capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the
 data
  through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate.  So I can get 25/25 or an
  asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number.
 
  The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps.
 
  If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a 20
  mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real
 fluff!
 
  Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on
  channel size.  But 40 mb is the max.
 
  I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet
 in
  front of me.
 
  As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex to
  his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that
  point.
 
  Bob
 
 
 
  3-dB Networks wrote:
 
  Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be half
  duplex.  Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a PtP
 400
  Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-)
 
  The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of
 that
 
  are
 
  Full Duplex
 
  As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a thread
 a
 
  long
 
  time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details.
 
  Daniel White
  3-dB Networks
  http://www.3dbnetworks.com
 
 
 
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 On
  Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin
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  Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
 
  Did you look at Exalt?
 
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  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
 
 
 
 
  Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave,
 Radwin,
 
 
  and
 
 
  Redline are the top choices.
 
  On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing
  commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for
  Government data?
 
  - Matt
 
  Matt Jenkins wrote:
 
 
  Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?
 
  - Matt
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-27 Thread 3-dB Networks
Yes it is MIMO.  It operates in the same channel in Horizontal and
Vertical... much like Orthogon et. al.

Your right though... its sales fluff (which in this case though could be
helpful sales fluff).  Guess I got caught up in it without really thinking
about that :-)

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

The Exalt is also a TDM radio.

I didn't see that Radwin was MIMO. Does it operate on the same channel
or does horizontal and vertical need to be on separate channels?

I agree that Radwin advertises full duplex but again that is either a
mistake or sales fluff.  All the equipment is TDD.

And I agree that as long as the customer gets what he thinks he wants,
that is the goal.

-B-

3-dB Networks wrote:
 Radwin radios are designed for TDM transport... that is really the
market
 they play towards... cellular carriers.  Transport is fixed to full
 duplex... and designed with that in mind.  But from an RF standpoint
you
 would be right since it only transmits on one channel.

 The Radwin gear transmits in two 20MHz channels, one horizontal
polarity and
 one vertical polarity... I don't see any reason to doubt their
throughput
 numbers.

 But at the end of the day... if the customer wants to see a full
duplex
 radio... only the Radwin one is marketed that way.  My experience is
most
 customers like this don't care how it actually works... as long as it
does
 what they think they want.

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:54 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

 There is alot of confusion here.

 From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex.

 From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full
duplex
 specs.  I cannot answer for Motorola or the others.

 The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical
bandwidth
 capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the
data
 through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate.  So I can get 25/25 or an
 asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number.

 The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps.

 If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a
20
 mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real
fluff!

 Ligowave says up to 40 Mb and they probably say that depending on
 channel size.  But 40 mb is the max.

 I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet
in
 front of me.

 As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex
to
 his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that
 point.

 Bob



 3-dB Networks wrote:

 Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be
half
 duplex.  Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a
PtP

 400

 Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-)

 The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of
that

 are

 Full Duplex

 As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a
thread

 a long

 time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details.

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
boun...@wispa.org]

 On

 Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

 Did you look at Exalt?

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 Plexicomm - Internet Solutions
 d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103
 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713

 - Original Message -
 From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex




 Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. Looks like Ligowave,
Radwin,


 and


 Redline are the top choices.

 On the same line of thought what are the legalities for passing
 commercial data over a 4.9 link if its primary function is for
 Government data?

 - Matt

 Matt Jenkins wrote:


 Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?

 - Matt


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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-25 Thread Josh Luthman
Can you use two radios in a Mikrotik?  Use the OSPF method instead of
nstreme dual.

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 Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?

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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-25 Thread John Valenti
Lucaya X4000 (StarOS) can do full duplex and is PoE.   (might not be  
certified for US 4.9?)


On Mar 25, 2009, at 2:47 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:

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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-25 Thread lakeland
Exalt
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:47:21 
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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-25 Thread Jack Unger




Unfortunately, 4.9 GHz needs to use certified equipment, not homebrew. 

Josh Luthman wrote:

  Can you use two radios in a Mikrotik?  Use the OSPF method instead of
nstreme dual.

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Does anyone know of a 4.9 Radio that is PoE and Full Duplex?

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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-25 Thread 3-dB Networks
Radwin... Orthgon radios are not full duplex but can be setup for 1:1 so
it's pretty close.

What is the application, how much bandwidth do you have... and how much
throughput do you need?

Hit me offlist if you like

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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-25 Thread lakeland
I thought all bands required certified systems.


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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-25 Thread Kevin Suitor
The Redline AN-80i is available in 4.9 GHz with a variety of channel
sizes, is FCC approved for the band and PoE powered; why the requirement
for full duplex?

Kevin

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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-25 Thread Matt Jenkins
The buildings are about 1000ft apart. Clear LOS. The product must be 
full duplex or support at least 20mbps full duplex. Must be a POE all 
outdoor solution. I am only providing the product and doing the 
installation. I will also be doing training for the network 
administrator to operate the radios. It does not have to have an 
integrated antenna but that would be preferred.

- Matt

3-dB Networks wrote:
 Radwin... Orthgon radios are not full duplex but can be setup for 1:1 so
 it's pretty close.
 
 What is the application, how much bandwidth do you have... and how much
 throughput do you need?
 
 Hit me offlist if you like
 
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 http://www.3dbnetworks.com
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-25 Thread Matt Jenkins
The want Full Duplex. Its a gov't agency who knows why they want what 
they want, but they want it. Ya know? :)

- Matt

Kevin Suitor wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-25 Thread Jack Unger
Good try but I'm not going to bite on that one Bob. :)

I expounded (pontificated?) last month on the wisdom of and the 
consequences of selling public safety agencies illegal (uncertified) 4.9 
GHz systems. I'll leave it to someone else to explain it this time around.

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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-25 Thread 3-dB Networks
Yep... and considering how cheap the Radwin gear is I'm not sure why you
would want to risk it with a homebrew setup anyways

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Good try but I'm not going to bite on that one Bob. :)

I expounded (pontificated?) last month on the wisdom of and the
consequences of selling public safety agencies illegal (uncertified) 4.9
GHz systems. I'll leave it to someone else to explain it this time
around.

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lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
 I thought all bands required certified systems.


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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-25 Thread Jeff Broadwick
I had a fleeting mental image of you swinging from a vine in a Tarzan
suit...thanks for that...I think...  :-)
 

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Good try but I'm not going to bite on that one Bob. :)

I expounded (pontificated?) last month on the wisdom of and the consequences
of selling public safety agencies illegal (uncertified) 4.9 GHz systems.
I'll leave it to someone else to explain it this time around.

jack of the (wireless) jungle


lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
 I thought all bands required certified systems.


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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-25 Thread Josh Luthman
Does the Radwin have anything to do with the Radmux radios?

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On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.netwrote:

 I had a fleeting mental image of you swinging from a vine in a Tarzan
 suit...thanks for that...I think...  :-)


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
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 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 4:17 PM
 To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

 Good try but I'm not going to bite on that one Bob. :)

 I expounded (pontificated?) last month on the wisdom of and the
 consequences
 of selling public safety agencies illegal (uncertified) 4.9 GHz systems.
 I'll leave it to someone else to explain it this time around.

 jack of the (wireless) jungle


 lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
  I thought all bands required certified systems.
 
 
  Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
 
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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-25 Thread 3-dB Networks
All of the RAD names are under the same brand.

Airmux/Radmux is made by RAD... I don't know much about those though.

We are focusing on the WL1000 and RW2000... both pretty cool radios.  RAD as
a whole was recently added to our vendor list :-)

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Does the Radwin have anything to do with the Radmux radios?

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On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Jeff Broadwick
jeffl...@comcast.netwrote:

 I had a fleeting mental image of you swinging from a vine in a Tarzan
 suit...thanks for that...I think...  :-)


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 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
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 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 4:17 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

 Good try but I'm not going to bite on that one Bob. :)

 I expounded (pontificated?) last month on the wisdom of and the
 consequences
 of selling public safety agencies illegal (uncertified) 4.9 GHz
systems.
 I'll leave it to someone else to explain it this time around.

 jack of the (wireless) jungle


 lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-25 Thread Jack Unger




Good Lord!!! 

That's the same fleeting mental image that I had!!

Jeff Broadwick wrote:

  I had a fleeting mental image of you swinging from a vine in a Tarzan
suit...thanks for that...I think...  :-)
 

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Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 4:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

Good try but I'm not going to "bite" on that one Bob. :)

I expounded (pontificated?) last month on the wisdom of and the consequences
of selling public safety agencies illegal (uncertified) 4.9 GHz systems.
I'll leave it to someone else to explain it this time around.

jack of the (wireless) jungle


lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
  
  
I thought all bands required certified systems.


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-25 Thread Josh Luthman
If there anything like the Ceragon radios or Radmux radios I used - run.
Run and never look back.  They've been nothing but a hassle while I used
them.

The Ceragon ones from years ago were great because they would throw the T1
(PRI I guess?) through the wireless to the other side of the link's IDU.
After spending months getting the ARP bug worked out I believe it's been
rock solid.

The Radmux radios I used are a hassle to configure - Windows only app that
you burn on a dozen CDs so you don't lose it (because you're completely
forked if you don't have it) - since you have to change modes and all kinds
of weird places to comment (or is it configuration?  Who knows...).  I had 3
links go bad (ODU here, IDU there, etc) over about 9 months and finally just
spent the next two Saturdays replacing them.

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On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:32 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote:

 All of the RAD names are under the same brand.

 Airmux/Radmux is made by RAD... I don't know much about those though.

 We are focusing on the WL1000 and RW2000... both pretty cool radios.  RAD
 as
 a whole was recently added to our vendor list :-)

 Daniel White
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 Does the Radwin have anything to do with the Radmux radios?
 
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 jeffl...@comcast.netwrote:
 
  I had a fleeting mental image of you swinging from a vine in a Tarzan
  suit...thanks for that...I think...  :-)
 
 
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  Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 4:17 PM
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  Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex
 
  Good try but I'm not going to bite on that one Bob. :)
 
  I expounded (pontificated?) last month on the wisdom of and the
  consequences
  of selling public safety agencies illegal (uncertified) 4.9 GHz
 systems.
  I'll leave it to someone else to explain it this time around.
 
  jack of the (wireless) jungle
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-25 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Great minds...or maybe not!?!?  :-)

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Good Lord!!! 

That's the same fleeting mental image that I had!!

Jeff Broadwick wrote: 

I had a fleeting mental image of you swinging from a vine in a Tarzan

suit...thanks for that...I think...  :-)

 



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Good try but I'm not going to bite on that one Bob. :)



I expounded (pontificated?) last month on the wisdom of and the consequences

of selling public safety agencies illegal (uncertified) 4.9 GHz systems.

I'll leave it to someone else to explain it this time around.



jack of the (wireless) jungle





lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

  

I thought all bands required certified systems.





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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-25 Thread 3-dB Networks
The two radios I'm talking about were the ones that Ceragon was OEM'ing... I
guess Radwin decided to bring it in house.

I have no clue on the Radmux radios... I know of the Airmux ones on the
other hand... but no experience either way

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2:44 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

If there anything like the Ceragon radios or Radmux radios I used - run.
Run and never look back.  They've been nothing but a hassle while I used
them.

The Ceragon ones from years ago were great because they would throw the
T1
(PRI I guess?) through the wireless to the other side of the link's IDU.
After spending months getting the ARP bug worked out I believe it's been
rock solid.

The Radmux radios I used are a hassle to configure - Windows only app
that
you burn on a dozen CDs so you don't lose it (because you're completely
forked if you don't have it) - since you have to change modes and all
kinds
of weird places to comment (or is it configuration?  Who knows...).  I
had 3
links go bad (ODU here, IDU there, etc) over about 9 months and finally
just
spent the next two Saturdays replacing them.

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On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:32 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote:

 All of the RAD names are under the same brand.

 Airmux/Radmux is made by RAD... I don't know much about those though.

 We are focusing on the WL1000 and RW2000... both pretty cool radios.
RAD
 as
 a whole was recently added to our vendor list :-)

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com


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On
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 Does the Radwin have anything to do with the Radmux radios?
 
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 On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Jeff Broadwick
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  I had a fleeting mental image of you swinging from a vine in a
Tarzan
  suit...thanks for that...I think...  :-)
 
 
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  Good try but I'm not going to bite on that one Bob. :)
 
  I expounded (pontificated?) last month on the wisdom of and the
  consequences
  of selling public safety agencies illegal (uncertified) 4.9 GHz
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  I'll leave it to someone else to explain it this time around.
 
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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-25 Thread George Rogato
Doesn't Ubiquiti have a certified 4.9 radio?



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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-25 Thread Mike Hammett
I think definitions of certified vary...


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From: lakel...@gbcx.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2:34 PM
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 I thought all bands required certified systems.


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Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex

2009-03-25 Thread Mike Hammett
I believe they told me it was not modular certified and only sold to OEMs... 
unless you use the PCMCIA.


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 Doesn't Ubiquiti have a certified 4.9 radio?


 
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