Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-02 Thread Robert West
And in August of 2003, a tree limb in Ohio caused the biggest blackout in US history. If the operators of 100+ year technology (the Power Grid) are incapable of routing around major outages, I suspect the same lack of thinking and planning is at fault in this issue as well. It's alw

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Mike Hammett
009 12:01 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure > We do that regularly in the Hoosier State! :) > >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Jack Unger
On >> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:33 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure >> >> This is where it would be nice if WISPs were friendly enough with each >> other >&g

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Rick Harnish
We do that regularly in the Hoosier State! :) > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:33 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] A Rid

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
My neighbor who is also on Charter was able to route through us, and did so during their last outage. He still has a couple of T1s through AT&T that are paid through the end of December, so he ended up routing through those during this one. OSPF and properly setup costs/NAT rules is wonderful

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
It was resolved about 1:30am MST. I watched the first pings start passing from my edge router and switched back over within about 10 seconds. Charter didn't call anyone until 5am, so that is the time we are using to figure our credits. I get a $40 credit on next months bill. Whoopideee do

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Josh Luthman
Outages mailing list had one member claim it was resolved at 2:30am. Is this not so? On 12/1/09, Travis Johnson wrote: > This is why we have 3 different providers, with different paths out of > our NOC and on different fiber pairs leaving town. > > Qwest had an outage here about 9 months ago that

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Mike Hammett
This is where it would be nice if WISPs were friendly enough with each other in their area to interconnect their networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" Sent: Tuesday, De

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Travis Johnson
This is why we have 3 different providers, with different paths out of our NOC and on different fiber pairs leaving town. Qwest had an outage here about 9 months ago that took two of my competitors completely down for 5 hours... yet we were completely unaffected. :) Travis Microserv Matt Lars

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Mike
r an option, but 100 miles is probably to far >- >Scott Piehn > >- Original Message - >From: "Mike" >To: "WISPA General List" >Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:20 AM >Subject: Re: [WISPA] A Ridicul

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Scott Piehn
o far - Scott Piehn - Original Message - From: "Mike" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure > Scott, > > We are a litt

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Brad Belton
Timing of this "Failure of Critical Infrastructure" seems suspect to Charter's bankruptcy. All existing outstanding shares have been cancelled. I wonder if Paul Allen somehow left Qwest holding the bag like he did the rest of his shareholders...just a thought. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Char

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Mike
t;- Original Message - >From: "Mike" >To: "WISPA General List" >Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:52 AM >Subject: Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure > > > > Mediacomm was having some bad equipment problems in Marshalltown or

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Scott Piehn
How far away from Illinois are you? - Scott Piehn - Original Message - From: "Mike" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructu

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Randy Cosby
MAKE news. Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: > Some kind of combination of failure between Charter and Qwest has left > tens of thousands of people in Nebraska without Internet and has > disrupted the Internet and phone services for thousands more.Right > now, the outage is going on 12 hours and

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Mike
Mediacomm was having some bad equipment problems in Marshalltown or Des Moines a couple months ago. It was on a hand off to Sprint on some fiber shelf. It bit us twice, each on a Sunday, for most of the day. After the second episode, which apparently happened after scheduled maintenance, I a