Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
We had snow build up on our first AF24 link once. The unit it built-up on was facing directly into the wind. The snow was very wet and probably more sleet than snow at times. I was in another town at the time. I had a weather stripped bed cover on my truck with Christmas packages inside. When I opened the cover there was a 5 thick wall of snow the full height of the bed between the tailgate and the packages. The wind was western Nebraska type, very unusual for here. I had one of the guy grab a hammer and strike the tower from the ground. 2 of snow slid off the face of the AF24. The link came back up. It is a 1.25 mi link. That was the first winter AF24s were available. We've had rainfade take the link down a couple of times, but no more snowfade here in Arkansas. So, yes, it can happen. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
You must not get very heavy rains or just put it up yesterday. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 9, 2015 10:42:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues Naw I have yet to have my 1.5 mile airFiber go down or even de-modulate past 6x in rain. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/9/15 11:34 AM, Adair Winter wrote: good luck with 99.999% uptime if it rains a lot in your area. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Robert Clark rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com wrote: Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it and degrade and possibly take down the link? Has anyone seen this We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime __ __ Robert W Clark Network Administrator Bolt Internet 928-717-BOLT Etx 112 __ __ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
I don't think the rain regions are accurate any longer, given the more intense storms that happen in many areas. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2015 8:06:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues You must not get very heavy rains or just put it up yesterday. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 9, 2015 10:42:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues Naw I have yet to have my 1.5 mile airFiber go down or even de-modulate past 6x in rain. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/9/15 11:34 AM, Adair Winter wrote: good luck with 99.999% uptime if it rains a lot in your area. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Robert Clark rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com wrote: Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it and degrade and possibly take down the link? Has anyone seen this We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime __ __ Robert W Clark Network Administrator Bolt Internet 928-717-BOLT Etx 112 __ __ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
Maybe. It was one of the first ever installed though. On Jan 10, 2015, at 09:06, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: You must not get very heavy rains or just put it up yesterday. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 9, 2015 10:42:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues Naw I have yet to have my 1.5 mile airFiber go down or even de-modulate past 6x in rain. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/9/15 11:34 AM, Adair Winter wrote: good luck with 99.999% uptime if it rains a lot in your area. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Robert Clark rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com wrote: Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it and degrade and possibly take down the link? Has anyone seen this We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime __ __ Robert W Clark Network Administrator Bolt Internet 928-717-BOLT Etx 112 __ __ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Robert Clark rcl...@boltinternet.com wrote: Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it and degrade and possibly take down the link? Has anyone seen this We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime How is the spectrum interference in your area in UNII-2e and UNII-3 bands ? AirFiber does not only come in 24 GHz, can also use 5 GHz. Rubens ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
heard people talk about the never wet product also. never tried it, yet. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Patrick Narkinsky patr...@narkinsky.com wrote: Someone suggested to me coating a satellite dish with RainX... Never tried it. On Friday, January 9, 2015, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Snow is RF transparent (virtually). Melting, wet snow can attenuate the signal at 24ghz pretty well. Here in Alaska we hardly ever have an AF24 go down, and we are right on the coast. It's going to depend on the type of weather you commonly have and the distance of the link. On January 9, 2015 7:28:34 AM AKST, Robert Clark rcl...@boltinternet.com wrote: Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it and degrade and possibly take down the link? Has anyone seen this We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime Robert W Clark Network Administrator Bolt Internet 928-717-BOLT Etx 112 -- Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- Sent from Gmail Mobile ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
Naw I have yet to have my 1.5 mile airFiber go down or even de-modulate past 6x in rain. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/9/15 11:34 AM, Adair Winter wrote: good luck with 99.999% uptime if it rains a lot in your area. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Robert Clark rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com wrote: Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it and degrade and possibly take down the link? Has anyone seen this We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime __ __ Robert W Clark Network Administrator Bolt Internet 928-717-BOLT Etx 112 __ __ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
That's right on... hmmm interesting. On 1/9/15 11:48 AM, Adair Winter wrote: Mine is actually 2.77 miles and it at -60 On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: What signal levels do you have on your 1.5 mile hop? On 1/9/15 11:44 AM, Adair Winter wrote: That's because all you get is dainty rain I guess. at .5 to 1 and hour along the path, it will drop. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Naw I have yet to have my 1.5 mile airFiber go down or even de-modulate past 6x in rain. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 1/9/15 11:34 AM, Adair Winter wrote: good luck with 99.999% uptime if it rains a lot in your area. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Robert Clark rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com wrote: Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it and degrade and possibly take down the link? Has anyone seen this We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime __ __ Robert W Clark Network Administrator Bolt Internet 928-717-BOLT Etx 112 __ __ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 tel:806.316.5071 tel:806.316.5071 tel:806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 tel:806.231.7180 tel:806.231.7180 tel:806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 tel:806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 tel:806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
The ITU method is overly simplified. Many would argue Crane's method was more accurate. ( For the sheer sake of argument) We have found bay fog to be far better at disruption than any rains we have here. Even tidal shifts on open water shots don't mess with our links as much as bay fog does. On January 9, 2015 7:44:46 AM AKST, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: That's because all you get is dainty rain I guess. at .5 to 1 and hour along the path, it will drop. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Naw I have yet to have my 1.5 mile airFiber go down or even de-modulate past 6x in rain. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/9/15 11:34 AM, Adair Winter wrote: good luck with 99.999% uptime if it rains a lot in your area. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Robert Clark rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com wrote: Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it and degrade and possibly take down the link? Has anyone seen this We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime __ __ Robert W Clark Network Administrator Bolt Internet 928-717-BOLT Etx 112 __ __ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
We have a four mile AF24 link that dropped, but not disconnect, in a heavy snow a couple of weeks ago. It was a very dense blizzard like storm. I could see it moving across the face of the Sangre de Cristo's from 20 miles away where the sun was shinning bright. Phil On Friday, January 9, 2015, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote: I haven't saw any issues yet with snow on my 3.2 mile af24 link but it drops and fails over to the back up MT link in heavy rain =.3/hr. I posted some graphs a while back showing the traffic, signals, and rainfall rate during a storm. [image: JimPatientSignature.png] *jpati...@linktechs.net javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jpati...@linktechs.net');* www.LinkTechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ *| *www.TowerCoverage.com http://www.towercoverage.com/ [image: usa_flag] *Phone:* 314-735-0270 *FAX*: 636-660-1534 *[image: canada_flag]Phone:* 647-725-7011 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless-boun...@wispa.org'); [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless-boun...@wispa.org');] *On Behalf Of *heith *Sent:* Friday, January 09, 2015 11:50 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues My AirFiber 24’s are 3 5 miles here in the northern plains with no issue with the snow. Someone said snow is transparent and I’d agree, but the rain sure kicks us once in a while Heith *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless-boun...@wispa.org'); [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless-boun...@wispa.org');] *On Behalf Of *Robert Clark *Sent:* Friday, January 09, 2015 10:29 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it and degrade and possibly take down the link? Has anyone seen this We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime Robert W Clark Network Administrator Bolt Internet 928-717-BOLT Etx 112 -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4257/8833 - Release Date: 12/29/14 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
Someone suggested to me coating a satellite dish with RainX... Never tried it. On Friday, January 9, 2015, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Snow is RF transparent (virtually). Melting, wet snow can attenuate the signal at 24ghz pretty well. Here in Alaska we hardly ever have an AF24 go down, and we are right on the coast. It's going to depend on the type of weather you commonly have and the distance of the link. On January 9, 2015 7:28:34 AM AKST, Robert Clark rcl...@boltinternet.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rcl...@boltinternet.com'); wrote: Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it and degrade and possibly take down the link? Has anyone seen this We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime Robert W Clark Network Administrator Bolt Internet 928-717-BOLT Etx 112 -- Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Wireless@wispa.org'); http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- Sent from Gmail Mobile ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
Not sure where you are physically But I have a 1.5 mile and 2.7 mile airFiber link and have yet to have either of them even modulate down beyond 6x through sticky wet snow. On 1/9/15 11:28 AM, Robert Clark wrote: Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it and degrade and possibly take down the link? Has anyone seen this We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime Robert W Clark Network Administrator Bolt Internet 928-717-BOLT Etx 112 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
Mine is actually 2.77 miles and it at -60 On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: What signal levels do you have on your 1.5 mile hop? On 1/9/15 11:44 AM, Adair Winter wrote: That's because all you get is dainty rain I guess. at .5 to 1 and hour along the path, it will drop. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Naw I have yet to have my 1.5 mile airFiber go down or even de-modulate past 6x in rain. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 1/9/15 11:34 AM, Adair Winter wrote: good luck with 99.999% uptime if it rains a lot in your area. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Robert Clark rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com wrote: Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it and degrade and possibly take down the link? Has anyone seen this We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime __ __ Robert W Clark Network Administrator Bolt Internet 928-717-BOLT Etx 112 __ __ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 tel:806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 tel:806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
When it rains here, it can really freaking rain. we get some pretty big storms. I just don't want to give people false hope. Make sure you have a back up if it must be up all the time. we had one outage last 45 minutes due to rain along the path. others were 7-15 minutes. frustrating. I also have a 12 miles 11Ghz link on 3' dishes running -43 that dropped in the rain (again, hard rain, all along the path) Here is my AF24. signal is moving a bit. [image: Inline image 1] On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: That's right on... hmmm interesting. On 1/9/15 11:48 AM, Adair Winter wrote: Mine is actually 2.77 miles and it at -60 On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: What signal levels do you have on your 1.5 mile hop? On 1/9/15 11:44 AM, Adair Winter wrote: That's because all you get is dainty rain I guess. at .5 to 1 and hour along the path, it will drop. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto: mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Naw I have yet to have my 1.5 mile airFiber go down or even de-modulate past 6x in rain. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 1/9/15 11:34 AM, Adair Winter wrote: good luck with 99.999% uptime if it rains a lot in your area. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Robert Clark rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto: rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com wrote: Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it and degrade and possibly take down the link? Has anyone seen this We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime __ __ Robert W Clark Network Administrator Bolt Internet 928-717-BOLT Etx 112 __ __ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 tel:806.316.5071 tel:806.316.5071 tel:806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 tel:806.231.7180 tel:806.231.7180 tel:806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 tel:806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 tel:806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list
Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
http://www.texasstormchasers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/2014-09-05_15-01-56.jpg http://www.srh.noaa.gov/ama/?n=april30storms An example of some of the storms we get. 10-40 miles. These aren't just rain storms they are thunderstroms. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: That's right on... hmmm interesting. On 1/9/15 11:48 AM, Adair Winter wrote: Mine is actually 2.77 miles and it at -60 On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: What signal levels do you have on your 1.5 mile hop? On 1/9/15 11:44 AM, Adair Winter wrote: That's because all you get is dainty rain I guess. at .5 to 1 and hour along the path, it will drop. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto: mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Naw I have yet to have my 1.5 mile airFiber go down or even de-modulate past 6x in rain. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 1/9/15 11:34 AM, Adair Winter wrote: good luck with 99.999% uptime if it rains a lot in your area. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Robert Clark rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto: rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com wrote: Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it and degrade and possibly take down the link? Has anyone seen this We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime __ __ Robert W Clark Network Administrator Bolt Internet 928-717-BOLT Etx 112 __ __ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 tel:806.316.5071 tel:806.316.5071 tel:806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 tel:806.231.7180 tel:806.231.7180 tel:806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 tel:806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 tel:806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP,
Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
My AirFiber 24's are 3 5 miles here in the northern plains with no issue with the snow. Someone said snow is transparent and I'd agree, but the rain sure kicks us once in a while Heith From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert Clark Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 10:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it and degrade and possibly take down the link? Has anyone seen this We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime Robert W Clark Network Administrator Bolt Internet 928-717-BOLT Etx 112 _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4257/8833 - Release Date: 12/29/14 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
Snow is RF transparent (virtually). Melting, wet snow can attenuate the signal at 24ghz pretty well. Here in Alaska we hardly ever have an AF24 go down, and we are right on the coast. It's going to depend on the type of weather you commonly have and the distance of the link. On January 9, 2015 7:28:34 AM AKST, Robert Clark rcl...@boltinternet.com wrote: Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it and degrade and possibly take down the link? Has anyone seen this We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime Robert W Clark Network Administrator Bolt Internet 928-717-BOLT Etx 112 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
you're right, I assumed AF24. oops! On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Whooaaa... you mean AF24 or AF5? Yes AF24 has rain fade. Robert did not say which. If it will be a problem (we have not had a real snow yet), I will use one of the new waterproof sprays that is superhydrophobic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPM8OR6W6WE On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Robert Clark rcl...@boltinternet.com wrote: Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it and degrade and possibly take down the link? Has anyone seen this We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime Robert W Clark Network Administrator Bolt Internet 928-717-BOLT Etx 112 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- -- Clay Stewart, CEO SCS Broadband 434.263.6363 O 434.942.6510 C cstew...@scsbroadband.com “We Keep You Up and Running” Please send sales inquiries to sa...@scsbroadband.com Please send service/repair requests to supp...@scsbroadband.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
That's because all you get is dainty rain I guess. at .5 to 1 and hour along the path, it will drop. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Naw I have yet to have my 1.5 mile airFiber go down or even de-modulate past 6x in rain. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/9/15 11:34 AM, Adair Winter wrote: good luck with 99.999% uptime if it rains a lot in your area. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Robert Clark rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com wrote: Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it and degrade and possibly take down the link? Has anyone seen this We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime __ __ Robert W Clark Network Administrator Bolt Internet 928-717-BOLT Etx 112 __ __ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
good luck with 99.999% uptime if it rains a lot in your area. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Robert Clark rcl...@boltinternet.com wrote: Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it and degrade and possibly take down the link? Has anyone seen this We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime Robert W Clark Network Administrator Bolt Internet 928-717-BOLT Etx 112 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
Whooaaa... you mean AF24 or AF5? Yes AF24 has rain fade. Robert did not say which. If it will be a problem (we have not had a real snow yet), I will use one of the new waterproof sprays that is superhydrophobic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPM8OR6W6WE On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Robert Clark rcl...@boltinternet.com wrote: Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it and degrade and possibly take down the link? Has anyone seen this We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime Robert W Clark Network Administrator Bolt Internet 928-717-BOLT Etx 112 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- -- Clay Stewart, CEO SCS Broadband 434.263.6363 O 434.942.6510 C cstew...@scsbroadband.com “We Keep You Up and Running” Please send sales inquiries to sa...@scsbroadband.com Please send service/repair requests to supp...@scsbroadband.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
What signal levels do you have on your 1.5 mile hop? On 1/9/15 11:44 AM, Adair Winter wrote: That's because all you get is dainty rain I guess. at .5 to 1 and hour along the path, it will drop. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Naw I have yet to have my 1.5 mile airFiber go down or even de-modulate past 6x in rain. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 1/9/15 11:34 AM, Adair Winter wrote: good luck with 99.999% uptime if it rains a lot in your area. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Robert Clark rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com wrote: Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it and degrade and possibly take down the link? Has anyone seen this We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime __ __ Robert W Clark Network Administrator Bolt Internet 928-717-BOLT Etx 112 __ __ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 tel:806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 tel:806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
I haven't saw any issues yet with snow on my 3.2 mile af24 link but it drops and fails over to the back up MT link in heavy rain =.3/hr. I posted some graphs a while back showing the traffic, signals, and rainfall rate during a storm. jpati...@linktechs.net mailto:jpati...@linktechs.net www.LinkTechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ | www.TowerCoverage.com http://www.towercoverage.com/ Phone: 314-735-0270 FAX: 636-660-1534 Phone: 647-725-7011 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of heith Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 11:50 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues My AirFiber 24's are 3 5 miles here in the northern plains with no issue with the snow. Someone said snow is transparent and I'd agree, but the rain sure kicks us once in a while Heith From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert Clark Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 10:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it and degrade and possibly take down the link? Has anyone seen this We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime Robert W Clark Network Administrator Bolt Internet 928-717-BOLT Etx 112 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4257/8833 - Release Date: 12/29/14 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues
Yea !... But I will argue the Murphy's method is even more accurate... If you Airfiber link drops in rain then .. you have 24ghz Rain Fade.. If your Airfiber link does not drop in rain then you have no 24ghz Rain Fade... For the sheer sake of argument ! Comparing how my link does when compared with yours in 24ghz is plain silly... But Comparing complete statements such as my 24ghz Link, which is X miles long, in Rain Zone or Region (state your region) does (or does not) drop in Rain would be a more meaningful statement... Anything else is just shooting the breeze at the water cooler.. :) Happy Friday Everyone ! Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net Sent: Friday, January 9, 2015 11:54:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues The ITU method is overly simplified. Many would argue Crane's method was more accurate. ( For the sheer sake of argument) We have found bay fog to be far better at disruption than any rains we have here. Even tidal shifts on open water shots don't mess with our links as much as bay fog does. On January 9, 2015 7:44:46 AM AKST, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: That's because all you get is dainty rain I guess. at .5 to 1 and hour along the path, it will drop. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Naw I have yet to have my 1.5 mile airFiber go down or even de-modulate past 6x in rain. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/9/15 11:34 AM, Adair Winter wrote: good luck with 99.999% uptime if it rains a lot in your area. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Robert Clark rcl...@boltinternet.com mailto: rcl...@boltinternet.com wrote: Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it and degrade and possibly take down the link? Has anyone seen this We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime __ __ Robert W Clark Network Administrator Bolt Internet 928-717-BOLT Etx 112 __ __ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto: Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
