Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE - buying club
Someone asked a while ago about Canopy prices. The last post I did was on 900 Mhz - okay we all don't live in the Eastern US or other high-treed areas. Of course, if you are spending an average of 1 hour a month screwing around with each subscriber you aren't going to have a successful WISP either. Nor are you going anywhere if the FCC rules for spectrum always favor billion dollar auctions, unless you have a spare billion. Here's the same price for the much more popular 5.7 Ghz Subscriber modules. You can see dropping from $742.85 per unit to $261.00 per unit at quantity 100 gives the q100 buyer a huge leg up on the smaller operator. 5750SM 5.7 GHz Advantage Subscriber Module $895.00 $742.85 5751SM 5.7 GHz Advantage Subscriber Module with AES $1,145.00 $950.35 BP5750SM-25 Bundle Pack 25 5.7 GHz Advantage Subscriber Modules $14,875.00 $12,941.25 BP5750SM-100 Bundle Pack 100 5.7 GHz Advantage Subscriber Modules $45,000.00 $39,150.00 BP5750SM-500 Bundle Pack 500 5.7 GHz Advantage Subscriber Modules $187,500.00 $163,125.00 5700SM 5.7 GHz Subscriber Module $595.00 $493.85 5700SMRF 5.7 GHz Subscriber Module with Reflector $745.00 $618.35 5701SM 5.7 GHz Subscriber Module with AES $845.00 $701.35 BP5700SM-25 Bundle Pack 25 5.7 GHz Subscriber Modules $8,750.00 $7,612.50 BP5700SM-100 Bundle Pack 100 5.7 GHz Subscriber Modules $30,000.00 $26,100.00 BP5700SM-500 Bundle Pack 500 5.7 GHz Subscriber Modules $125,000.00 $108,750.00 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE - buying club
Well, I tend to agree. Moto builds cable modems, and other competitive products. We aren't going to change Moto's pricing policy, product strategy, or anything else - well, unless we all work together. I see 500 packs broken all the time - so that's the idea - a bunch of us put in 1/20th of the price of 500 units, buying 25 units say.. @ 1/2 the retail price. But 500 isn't needed here. There's a huge break at Q 100. So 10 WISPs could by 10 units each for a total of $2,600 each.. Instead of buying 5 units at list. I understand what you are saying Marlon. Moto doesn't demonstrate much interest in WISP strategic futures. They cater to their market - large consumers of their products. The answer is: Use whatever product makes you successful. I don't accept the idea that boycotting Moto purchases influences our FCC successes. Getting more members and continuing improved benefits grows the organization, and that action will influence the FCC. I'm not going to get into Moto vs. Microtik or whatever. Its not in my interest to argue for or against any vendor. For me, Moto kicked everyone's ass in terms of total cost of service delivery. Others likely have other stories, I respect that. That's the nice thing about owning your own business, you don't *have* to swallow anyone else's opinion. My competitors in the valley here are moving to Moto - about 2 years late, but do I care? no.. We've moved on to the next revolution. Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Now if only we could get Moto to stop working so hard against us at the FCC and to basically use the average wisp to support the biggest fo the big. After all, who's gonna need 500 packs of anything until you're pretty dang good sized? And how are you supposed to do that when your money is going to subsidise your largest competitors? I can certainly see a few point spread for volumes. But 30 to 50%? Not good for the industry. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam http://www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - *From:* A. Huppenthal mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2005 11:20 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE - buying club Someone asked a while ago about Canopy prices. The last post I did was on 900 Mhz - okay we all don't live in the Eastern US or other high-treed areas. Of course, if you are spending an average of 1 hour a month screwing around with each subscriber you aren't going to have a successful WISP either. Nor are you going anywhere if the FCC rules for spectrum always favor billion dollar auctions, unless you have a spare billion. Here's the same price for the much more popular 5.7 Ghz Subscriber modules. You can see dropping from $742.85 per unit to $261.00 per unit at quantity 100 gives the q100 buyer a huge leg up on the smaller operator. 5750SM 5.7 GHz Advantage Subscriber Module $895.00 *$742.85* 5751SM 5.7 GHz Advantage Subscriber Module with AES$1,145.00 *$950.35* BP5750SM-25 Bundle Pack 25 5.7 GHz Advantage Subscriber Modules $14,875.00 *$12,941.25* BP5750SM-100Bundle Pack 100 5.7 GHz Advantage Subscriber Modules $45,000.00 *$39,150.00* BP5750SM-500Bundle Pack 500 5.7 GHz Advantage Subscriber Modules $187,500.00 *$163,125.00* 5700SM 5.7 GHz Subscriber Module $595.00 *$493.85* 5700SMRF5.7 GHz Subscriber Module with Reflector$745.00 *$618.35* 5701SM 5.7 GHz Subscriber Module with AES $845.00 *$701.35* BP5700SM-25 Bundle Pack 25 5.7 GHz Subscriber Modules $8,750.00 *$7,612.50* BP5700SM-100Bundle Pack 100 5.7 GHz Subscriber Modules $30,000.00 *$26,100.00* BP5700SM-500Bundle Pack 500 5.7 GHz Subscriber Modules $125,000.00 *$108,750.00* -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE - buying club
I just wish people would quit quoting the Q100 or Q500 price to compare CPE equipment costs. Quote the Q1 cost. We all know that one can do better in larger quantity. But most of us don't buy in Q100 or Q500. Most of us do good to buy Q5 or Q10. The high CPE cost is what keeps me from even considering Moto and such Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Now if only we could get Moto to stop working so hard against us at the FCC and to basically use the average wisp to support the biggest fo the big. After all, who's gonna need 500 packs of anything until you're pretty dang good sized? And how are you supposed to do that when your money is going to subsidise your largest competitors? I can certainly see a few point spread for volumes. But 30 to 50%? Not good for the industry. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: A. Huppenthal To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General List Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE - buying club Someone asked a while ago about Canopy prices. The last post I did was on 900 Mhz - okay we all don't live in the Eastern US or other high-treed areas. Of course, if you are spending an average of 1 hour a month screwing around with each subscriber you aren't going to have a successful WISP either. Nor are you going anywhere if the FCC rules for spectrum always favor billion dollar auctions, unless you have a spare billion. Here's the same price for the much more popular 5.7 Ghz Subscriber modules. You can see dropping from $742.85 per unit to $261.00 per unit at quantity 100 gives the q100 buyer a huge leg up on the smaller operator. 5750SM 5.7 GHz Advantage Subscriber Module $895.00 $742.85 5751SM 5.7 GHz Advantage Subscriber Module with AES $1,145.00 $950.35 BP5750SM-25 Bundle Pack 25 5.7 GHz Advantage Subscriber Modules $14,875.00 $12,941.25 BP5750SM-100 Bundle Pack 100 5.7 GHz Advantage Subscriber Modules $45,000.00 $39,150.00 BP5750SM-500 Bundle Pack 500 5.7 GHz Advantage Subscriber Modules $187,500.00 $163,125.00 5700SM 5.7 GHz Subscriber Module $595.00 $493.85 5700SMRF 5.7 GHz Subscriber Module with Reflector $745.00 $618.35 5701SM 5.7 GHz Subscriber Module with AES $845.00 $701.35 BP5700SM-25 Bundle Pack 25 5.7 GHz Subscriber Modules $8,750.00 $7,612.50 BP5700SM-100 Bundle Pack 100 5.7 GHz Subscriber Modules $30,000.00 $26,100.00 BP5700SM-500 Bundle Pack 500 5.7 GHz Subscriber Modules $125,000.00 $108,750.00 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/197 - Release Date: 12/9/2005 -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE - buying club
'people' is me. note: posting here showed $270 quantity one Moto SM w/power supply on ebay for example. Its just a thought. I've bought dozens and dozens of Moto SM radios near $260 each over the past 12 months all at 5s and 10s quantity. So it can be done, just wished it would be a bit easier. Blair Davis wrote: I just wish people would quit quoting the Q100 or Q500 price to compare CPE equipment costs. Quote the Q1 cost. We all know that one can do better in larger quantity. But most of us don't buy in Q100 or Q500. Most of us do good to buy Q5 or Q10. The high CPE cost is what keeps me from even considering Moto and such Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Now if only we could get Moto to stop working so hard against us at the FCC and to basically use the average wisp to support the biggest fo the big. After all, who's gonna need 500 packs of anything until you're pretty dang good sized? And how are you supposed to do that when your money is going to subsidise your largest competitors? I can certainly see a few point spread for volumes. But 30 to 50%? Not good for the industry. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam http://www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - *From:* A. Huppenthal mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2005 11:20 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE - buying club Someone asked a while ago about Canopy prices. The last post I did was on 900 Mhz - okay we all don't live in the Eastern US or other high-treed areas. Of course, if you are spending an average of 1 hour a month screwing around with each subscriber you aren't going to have a successful WISP either. Nor are you going anywhere if the FCC rules for spectrum always favor billion dollar auctions, unless you have a spare billion. Here's the same price for the much more popular 5.7 Ghz Subscriber modules. You can see dropping from $742.85 per unit to $261.00 per unit at quantity 100 gives the q100 buyer a huge leg up on the smaller operator. 5750SM 5.7 GHz Advantage Subscriber Module $895.00 *$742.85* 5751SM 5.7 GHz Advantage Subscriber Module with AES$1,145.00 *$950.35* BP5750SM-25 Bundle Pack 25 5.7 GHz Advantage Subscriber Modules $14,875.00 *$12,941.25* BP5750SM-100Bundle Pack 100 5.7 GHz Advantage Subscriber Modules $45,000.00 *$39,150.00* BP5750SM-500Bundle Pack 500 5.7 GHz Advantage Subscriber Modules $187,500.00 *$163,125.00* 5700SM 5.7 GHz Subscriber Module $595.00 *$493.85* 5700SMRF5.7 GHz Subscriber Module with Reflector$745.00 *$618.35* 5701SM 5.7 GHz Subscriber Module with AES $845.00 *$701.35* BP5700SM-25 Bundle Pack 25 5.7 GHz Subscriber Modules $8,750.00 *$7,612.50* BP5700SM-100Bundle Pack 100 5.7 GHz Subscriber Modules $30,000.00 *$26,100.00* BP5700SM-500Bundle Pack 500 5.7 GHz Subscriber Modules $125,000.00 *$108,750.00* -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/197 - Release Date: 12/9/2005 -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
