Re: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular andWimax
Scriv, You did an excellent write-up and acknowledges one very important factor, change is difficult. We have all built strong systems and telling a customer we are fixed system carries a lot less responsibility than to infer that they can do the 4.9 standard of 150MPH. I admit I'd love to take the stimulus money out for a mobile spin. Much like my foray into dial-up that was quite successful I saw the death and had no answer at our level. I felt WISP's would also fall victim to the Nationals passing us in technology faster than we could deploy and secure. Not so, technology is outpacing National investment in networks so perhaps we have a longer life than our previous business model. There are only two fears, Lack of knowledge on mobile deployment and the problem of wattage or lack thereof and, cost of CPE. We have CPE on fixed systems down to $70, so I guess fear is the unknown, nothing new there. Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 5:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular andWimax Sadly WISPs have dragged their feet in development of true mobility and roaming. These features are the true differentiators of wireless broadband over DSL or DOCSIS. The cellular industry is more quickly adapting to the need to move to an IP centric platform for their mobile voice/data systems than we are in recognizing the compelling desire of everyone to have everything available to them everywhere with mobility. Land lines are going away and wireless MOBILE phones are increasing in quantity. WISPs may well lose out in the end if they do not band together to form interoperability standards for mobile IP, VoIP, roaming, etc. Last I checked there is not a single WISPA member network out there which is fully mobile with integrated roaming with another operator. Until WISPs do this they are doomed to a future of a decreasing position in the future of broadband industry market share. I predict that total customer counts served via traditional WISPs will max within 18 months and then down turn if we do not address the issues of roaming and mobility. If any of you have built a truly good mobility roaming gateway solution which allows for WISPs to tie their networks together and offer mobility then I welcome some feedback on the subject. What about truly mobile and roaming capable voice services over IP? Anyone out there ever build the equivalent of the ASN gateway for our networks? I am ready to start negotiating connection to this and right now we do not even have access to anything to connect to. Scriv On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Scott Parsons sc...@e-zy.net wrote: This was very interesting: http://www.muniwireless.com/2009/02/03/muni-wifi-outperforms-cellular-an d-wi max/ Way to go WISPS! Scott WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular andWimax
Simply not going to happen. WiMAX gear is way too expensive for what little it delivers. The frequencies\power aren't yet there to deliver mobility cost effectively. Far too many Indians and not enough chiefs. The cable industry has Comcast, Charter, Mediacom. The worst of those has to have over 10M customers. DSL has ATT, Verizon, bajillion other companies overseas with tens of millions of customers. WISPs have... JAB at 50k. We can't feed off the mother hen when the mother hen barely hits the radar. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular andWimax Sadly WISPs have dragged their feet in development of true mobility and roaming. These features are the true differentiators of wireless broadband over DSL or DOCSIS. The cellular industry is more quickly adapting to the need to move to an IP centric platform for their mobile voice/data systems than we are in recognizing the compelling desire of everyone to have everything available to them everywhere with mobility. Land lines are going away and wireless MOBILE phones are increasing in quantity. WISPs may well lose out in the end if they do not band together to form interoperability standards for mobile IP, VoIP, roaming, etc. Last I checked there is not a single WISPA member network out there which is fully mobile with integrated roaming with another operator. Until WISPs do this they are doomed to a future of a decreasing position in the future of broadband industry market share. I predict that total customer counts served via traditional WISPs will max within 18 months and then down turn if we do not address the issues of roaming and mobility. If any of you have built a truly good mobility roaming gateway solution which allows for WISPs to tie their networks together and offer mobility then I welcome some feedback on the subject. What about truly mobile and roaming capable voice services over IP? Anyone out there ever build the equivalent of the ASN gateway for our networks? I am ready to start negotiating connection to this and right now we do not even have access to anything to connect to. Scriv On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Scott Parsons sc...@e-zy.net wrote: This was very interesting: http://www.muniwireless.com/2009/02/03/muni-wifi-outperforms-cellular-and-wi max/ Way to go WISPS! Scott WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular andWimax
Absolutely none of this is possible with unlicensed spectrum. If you're saying that it's our fault that there's no high power protected spectrum to use that doesn't cost mega millions like the cellular guys paid, then, I guess we're at fault. Until you can make the case for that point, I'm in complete disagreement with you on whose fault it is. Until then, there's simply no way to move equipment around randomly and have ubiquitous coverage. Oh, and even the cellular guys aren't doing it yet. It works in the big city. It works in a few places out here. And it's not fast. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular andWimax Sadly WISPs have dragged their feet in development of true mobility and roaming. These features are the true differentiators of wireless broadband over DSL or DOCSIS. The cellular industry is more quickly adapting to the need to move to an IP centric platform for their mobile voice/data systems than we are in recognizing the compelling desire of everyone to have everything available to them everywhere with mobility. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
