Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
Eje, Did you get the email I sent you offlist? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
Ryan, That's not correct. Your second example will not accept a 802.11G/N client. When airmax is enabled, no normal 802.11 client will even see the AP. You must disable airmax on the AP in order to handle normal clients, you can't have some CPE's running in Airmax and some not running in Airmax. Regards Michael Baird Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
Correct. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Ryan, That's not correct. Your second example will not accept a 802.11G/N client. When airmax is enabled, no normal 802.11 client will even see the AP. You must disable airmax on the AP in order to handle normal clients, you can't have some CPE's running in Airmax and some not running in Airmax. Regards Michael Baird Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
Airmax is enabled when a Ubiquity product is in AP mode, it's a tick box. Airmax capable clients will autodetect whether the AP is airmax enabled or not. Regards Michael Baird Correct. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Ryan, That's not correct. Your second example will not accept a 802.11G/N client. When airmax is enabled, no normal 802.11 client will even see the AP. You must disable airmax on the AP in order to handle normal clients, you can't have some CPE's running in Airmax and some not running in Airmax. Regards Michael Baird Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
But you cannot mix and match correct? ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Airmax is enabled when a Ubiquity product is in AP mode, it's a tick box. Airmax capable clients will autodetect whether the AP is airmax enabled or not. Regards Michael Baird Correct. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Ryan, That's not correct. Your second example will not accept a 802.11G/N client. When airmax is enabled, no normal 802.11 client will even see the AP. You must disable airmax on the AP in order to handle normal clients, you can't have some CPE's running in Airmax and some not running in Airmax. Regards Michael Baird Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
When you enable airmax on the AP, only airmax capable stations will see it and can connect to it. Airmax capable clients will be able to connect to non-airmax enabled AP's, they recognize airmax/non-airmax alike. You can not mix and match, you can't run legacy gear to a Airmax enabled AP, won't work. Which isn't a good thing, but it's Ubiquities statement on the subject, they say their older hardware can't handle airmax/tdma. Regards Michael Baird But you cannot mix and match correct? ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Airmax is enabled when a Ubiquity product is in AP mode, it's a tick box. Airmax capable clients will autodetect whether the AP is airmax enabled or not. Regards Michael Baird Correct. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Ryan, That's not correct. Your second example will not accept a 802.11G/N client. When airmax is enabled, no normal 802.11 client will even see the AP. You must disable airmax on the AP in order to handle normal clients, you can't have some CPE's running in Airmax and some not running in Airmax. Regards Michael Baird Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
Airmax to Ubnt is Nstreme to Mikrotik from what I gather. To those who know Mikrotik that one sentence covers it all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: When you enable airmax on the AP, only airmax capable stations will see it and can connect to it. Airmax capable clients will be able to connect to non-airmax enabled AP's, they recognize airmax/non-airmax alike. You can not mix and match, you can't run legacy gear to a Airmax enabled AP, won't work. Which isn't a good thing, but it's Ubiquities statement on the subject, they say their older hardware can't handle airmax/tdma. Regards Michael Baird But you cannot mix and match correct? ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Airmax is enabled when a Ubiquity product is in AP mode, it's a tick box. Airmax capable clients will autodetect whether the AP is airmax enabled or not. Regards Michael Baird Correct. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Ryan, That's not correct. Your second example will not accept a 802.11G/N client. When airmax is enabled, no normal 802.11 client will even see the AP. You must disable airmax on the AP in order to handle normal clients, you can't have some CPE's running in Airmax and some not running in Airmax. Regards Michael Baird Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
Will it work dynamically? IE: You turn on AirMax and it auto selects the common denominator? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:16 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
The stations will, there is no enable airmax tick box in station mode, it autodetects. Regards Will it work dynamically? IE: You turn on AirMax and it auto selects the common denominator? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:16 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
I'd expect so - worst case scenario a reboot. Though I seriously doubt that - haven't seen that problem since Tranzeo (it was an *OLD* CPE that had this problem). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: So then you're saying that you start replacing things, then AirMAX capable CPE will automatically reconnect as AirMAX when the AP enables it? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:30 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? When you enable airmax on the AP, only airmax capable stations will see it and can connect to it. Airmax capable clients will be able to connect to non-airmax enabled AP's, they recognize airmax/non-airmax alike. You can not mix and match, you can't run legacy gear to a Airmax enabled AP, won't work. Which isn't a good thing, but it's Ubiquities statement on the subject, they say their older hardware can't handle airmax/tdma. Regards Michael Baird But you cannot mix and match correct? ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Airmax is enabled when a Ubiquity product is in AP mode, it's a tick box. Airmax capable clients will autodetect whether the AP is airmax enabled or not. Regards Michael Baird Correct. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Ryan, That's not correct. Your second example will not accept a 802.11G/N client. When airmax is enabled, no normal 802.11 client will even see the AP. You must disable airmax on the AP in order to handle normal clients, you can't have some CPE's running in Airmax and some not running in Airmax. Regards Michael Baird Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
Except airMAX goes a step further by using some hardware function that is only available in the 11n chipsets. The TDMA is a mix of software and hardware. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:33:59 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Airmax to Ubnt is Nstreme to Mikrotik from what I gather. To those who know Mikrotik that one sentence covers it all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: When you enable airmax on the AP, only airmax capable stations will see it and can connect to it. Airmax capable clients will be able to connect to non-airmax enabled AP's, they recognize airmax/non-airmax alike. You can not mix and match, you can't run legacy gear to a Airmax enabled AP, won't work. Which isn't a good thing, but it's Ubiquities statement on the subject, they say their older hardware can't handle airmax/tdma. Regards Michael Baird But you cannot mix and match correct? ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Airmax is enabled when a Ubiquity product is in AP mode, it's a tick box. Airmax capable clients will autodetect whether the AP is airmax enabled or not. Regards Michael Baird Correct. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Ryan, That's not correct. Your second example will not accept a 802.11G/N client. When airmax is enabled, no normal 802.11 client will even see the AP. You must disable airmax on the AP in order to handle normal clients, you can't have some CPE's running in Airmax and some not running in Airmax. Regards Michael Baird Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
Does anyone know if the TDMA slicing is configurable? Like 50/50 up/down, or prioritized Voice/Video? - Original Message - From: e...@wisp-router.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Except airMAX goes a step further by using some hardware function that is only available in the 11n chipsets. The TDMA is a mix of software and hardware. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:33:59 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Airmax to Ubnt is Nstreme to Mikrotik from what I gather. To those who know Mikrotik that one sentence covers it all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: When you enable airmax on the AP, only airmax capable stations will see it and can connect to it. Airmax capable clients will be able to connect to non-airmax enabled AP's, they recognize airmax/non-airmax alike. You can not mix and match, you can't run legacy gear to a Airmax enabled AP, won't work. Which isn't a good thing, but it's Ubiquities statement on the subject, they say their older hardware can't handle airmax/tdma. Regards Michael Baird But you cannot mix and match correct? ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Airmax is enabled when a Ubiquity product is in AP mode, it's a tick box. Airmax capable clients will autodetect whether the AP is airmax enabled or not. Regards Michael Baird Correct. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Ryan, That's not correct. Your second example will not accept a 802.11G/N client. When airmax is enabled, no normal 802.11 client will even see the AP. You must disable airmax on the AP in order to handle normal clients, you can't have some CPE's running in Airmax and some not running in Airmax. Regards Michael Baird Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
Hrm, I'm 90.9% sure it's software based. It does run on the old gear, they just say it takes too many resources, and probably there wasn't a lot of will to make the old stuff compatible, when they could just make everyone buy new stuff. Regards Michael Baird Except airMAX goes a step further by using some hardware function that is only available in the 11n chipsets. The TDMA is a mix of software and hardware. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:33:59 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Airmax to Ubnt is Nstreme to Mikrotik from what I gather. To those who know Mikrotik that one sentence covers it all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: When you enable airmax on the AP, only airmax capable stations will see it and can connect to it. Airmax capable clients will be able to connect to non-airmax enabled AP's, they recognize airmax/non-airmax alike. You can not mix and match, you can't run legacy gear to a Airmax enabled AP, won't work. Which isn't a good thing, but it's Ubiquities statement on the subject, they say their older hardware can't handle airmax/tdma. Regards Michael Baird But you cannot mix and match correct? ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Airmax is enabled when a Ubiquity product is in AP mode, it's a tick box. Airmax capable clients will autodetect whether the AP is airmax enabled or not. Regards Michael Baird Correct. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Ryan, That's not correct. Your second example will not accept a 802.11G/N client. When airmax is enabled, no normal 802.11 client will even see the AP. You must disable airmax on the AP in order to handle normal clients, you can't have some CPE's running in Airmax and some not running in Airmax. Regards Michael Baird Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
I don't have good info on that, other then I've been assured of a big surprise on the QOS end for Voice. They offer 802.11e already on their older gear, which for the most part works perfectly, but they say the new gear will improve upon that. Regards Michael Baird Does anyone know if the TDMA slicing is configurable? Like 50/50 up/down, or prioritized Voice/Video? - Original Message - From: e...@wisp-router.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Except airMAX goes a step further by using some hardware function that is only available in the 11n chipsets. The TDMA is a mix of software and hardware. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:33:59 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Airmax to Ubnt is Nstreme to Mikrotik from what I gather. To those who know Mikrotik that one sentence covers it all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: When you enable airmax on the AP, only airmax capable stations will see it and can connect to it. Airmax capable clients will be able to connect to non-airmax enabled AP's, they recognize airmax/non-airmax alike. You can not mix and match, you can't run legacy gear to a Airmax enabled AP, won't work. Which isn't a good thing, but it's Ubiquities statement on the subject, they say their older hardware can't handle airmax/tdma. Regards Michael Baird But you cannot mix and match correct? ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Airmax is enabled when a Ubiquity product is in AP mode, it's a tick box. Airmax capable clients will autodetect whether the AP is airmax enabled or not. Regards Michael Baird Correct. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Ryan, That's not correct. Your second example will not accept a 802.11G/N client. When airmax is enabled, no normal 802.11 client will even see the AP. You must disable airmax on the AP in order to handle normal clients, you can't have some CPE's running in Airmax and some not running in Airmax. Regards Michael Baird Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when
Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA?
Not to mention the old hardware has LITTLE memory and CPU horsepower. On 8/26/09, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: I don't have good info on that, other then I've been assured of a big surprise on the QOS end for Voice. They offer 802.11e already on their older gear, which for the most part works perfectly, but they say the new gear will improve upon that. Regards Michael Baird Does anyone know if the TDMA slicing is configurable? Like 50/50 up/down, or prioritized Voice/Video? - Original Message - From: e...@wisp-router.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Except airMAX goes a step further by using some hardware function that is only available in the 11n chipsets. The TDMA is a mix of software and hardware. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:33:59 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Airmax to Ubnt is Nstreme to Mikrotik from what I gather. To those who know Mikrotik that one sentence covers it all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: When you enable airmax on the AP, only airmax capable stations will see it and can connect to it. Airmax capable clients will be able to connect to non-airmax enabled AP's, they recognize airmax/non-airmax alike. You can not mix and match, you can't run legacy gear to a Airmax enabled AP, won't work. Which isn't a good thing, but it's Ubiquities statement on the subject, they say their older hardware can't handle airmax/tdma. Regards Michael Baird But you cannot mix and match correct? ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Airmax is enabled when a Ubiquity product is in AP mode, it's a tick box. Airmax capable clients will autodetect whether the AP is airmax enabled or not. Regards Michael Baird Correct. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Ryan, That's not correct. Your second example will not accept a 802.11G/N client. When airmax is enabled, no normal 802.11 client will even see the AP. You must disable airmax on the AP in order to handle normal clients, you can't have some CPE's running in Airmax and some not running in Airmax. Regards Michael Baird Be aware though, you cannot mix and match at the same time.For example: 1 Airmax AP and 10 Airmax enabled CPE = Airmax network. 1 Airmax AP, 9 Airmax enabled CPE and 1 802.11G/N = 802.11G/N network. ryan On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not sure if this is clear, but with airmax enabled Ubiquity is proprietary, if you disable airmax it will work with other n/g clients, I don't think b is supported at this time. The firmware is rather young at this time as well, I'd wait a few releases before using these in production. Regards Michael Baird Yes by default it act as a regular 11n unit to get TDMA function you would enable airMAX function on the units. Kind of like with MikroTik you would enable Nstrem to get that functionality. As far as I know these two systems are not compatible. 11n is backwards compatible with a/b/g So yes your scenario about upgrade path works just fine. /Eje --Original Message-- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New UBNT M line, 802.11n without TDMA? Sent: Aug 26, 2009 06:40 Can the new UBNT M line gear be used as an 802.11n access point without the TDMA? I'm assuming the TDMA protocol is proprietary and that when using the TDMA protocol normal 802.11a/b/g gear doesn't work. I'm also assuming the TDMA can be turned off which I realize might not be the case. For example, could someone who's currently running an 802.11g AP replace the AP with the new M gear but with the TDMA turned off (for now), at their leisure change out 802.11g CPEs replacing them with the M enabled ones (also with the TDMA turned off for now), and when all the CPEs have been upgraded and are M compliant throw the switch and go TDMA in a smooth transition? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe
