RE: [WISPA] Part 15 Certification Lab Questions
My pleasure Jack. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Part 15 Certification Lab Questions Patrick, Thanks so much for sharing this information. I hope others will share as well. jack Patrick Leary wrote: > Jack, > > I checked this morning as promised. We use Compliance Certification > Services out of Morgan Hill, CA (far south Bay area). Apparently we have > used them for years and our guys say they are responsive and good. > > Patrick Leary > AVP WISP Markets > Alvarion, Inc. > o: 650.314.2628 > c: 760.580.0080 > Vonage: 650.641.1243 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Patrick Leary > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:41 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: RE: [WISPA] Part 15 Certification Lab Questions > > I don't know, but I'll check and report back Jack. I know we have used > several. The standards and rules are tight for them, so I think our > decision may be based on locality. Stay tuned please. > > Patrick Leary > AVP WISP Markets > Alvarion, Inc. > o: 650.314.2628 > c: 760.580.0080 > Vonage: 650.641.1243 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Jack Unger > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 8:32 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Part 15 Certification Lab Questions > > Patrick, > > What lab does Alvarion currently use? > > Do you have any specific labs that you would recommend to WISPs who may > want to get their own equipment combinations certified? > > Thanks, > jack > > > Patrick Leary wrote: > > >>We have for years, though I am not personally involved in those >>processes. Our 3-digit grantee code is LKT and all equipment >>authorizations for all brands) are easily and comprehensively > > searchable > >>even if you do not know the grantee code via >>https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm. > > Our > >>first grant goes back to September 1994. We currently have 54 grants. >>Filing fees alone for a Part 15 device was $985 in 2000 >>http://www.fcc.gov/fees/2000oetguide.pdf. >> >>Actual lab costs per device might average about $3,000, less employee >>time on our end doing the filing, working with the labs, etc. I > > estimate > >>that we have over $1 million invested easily in the certifications > > alone > >>and this does not include the millions in R&D spent designing and >>building to meet that compliance in the first place across the many >>regulatory domains we sell in to. >> >>Of course, none of this includes ISO certification, UL (Underwriter's >>Labs) listings, environmental certifications, corrosion testing, and > > 3rd > >>party MTBF testing. >> >>These costs are incurred by legitimate vendors like us, Trango, >>Motorola, and some others. We all gut it up and do what's required of > > us > >>as cost of doing business. (And Alvarion was a "little guy" when I >>started, yet we still did what was required and even today we are > > viewed > >>as a small guy by the big guys.) >> >>Patrick Leary >>AVP WISP Markets >>Alvarion, Inc. >>o: 650.314.2628 >>c: 760.580.0080 >>Vonage: 650.641.1243 >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On > >>Behalf Of Jack Unger >>Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:10 PM >>To: WISPA General List >>Subject: [WISPA] Part 15 Certification Lab Questions >> >>Who's already used a Part 15 certification lab? >> >>What was good or bad about your experience? >> >>How much did the certification cost? >> >>Would you use that lab again? >> >> >>Do you want to find a certification lab? >>Here's the link that I got right off of WISPA's homepage: >> >> >>https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearch.cfm >> >> > > -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - "Deploying Lic
Re: [WISPA] Part 15 Certification Lab Questions
Patrick, Thanks so much for sharing this information. I hope others will share as well. jack Patrick Leary wrote: Jack, I checked this morning as promised. We use Compliance Certification Services out of Morgan Hill, CA (far south Bay area). Apparently we have used them for years and our guys say they are responsive and good. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Part 15 Certification Lab Questions I don't know, but I'll check and report back Jack. I know we have used several. The standards and rules are tight for them, so I think our decision may be based on locality. Stay tuned please. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 8:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Part 15 Certification Lab Questions Patrick, What lab does Alvarion currently use? Do you have any specific labs that you would recommend to WISPs who may want to get their own equipment combinations certified? Thanks, jack Patrick Leary wrote: We have for years, though I am not personally involved in those processes. Our 3-digit grantee code is LKT and all equipment authorizations for all brands) are easily and comprehensively searchable even if you do not know the grantee code via https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm. Our first grant goes back to September 1994. We currently have 54 grants. Filing fees alone for a Part 15 device was $985 in 2000 http://www.fcc.gov/fees/2000oetguide.pdf. Actual lab costs per device might average about $3,000, less employee time on our end doing the filing, working with the labs, etc. I estimate that we have over $1 million invested easily in the certifications alone and this does not include the millions in R&D spent designing and building to meet that compliance in the first place across the many regulatory domains we sell in to. Of course, none of this includes ISO certification, UL (Underwriter's Labs) listings, environmental certifications, corrosion testing, and 3rd party MTBF testing. These costs are incurred by legitimate vendors like us, Trango, Motorola, and some others. We all gut it up and do what's required of us as cost of doing business. (And Alvarion was a "little guy" when I started, yet we still did what was required and even today we are viewed as a small guy by the big guys.) Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Part 15 Certification Lab Questions Who's already used a Part 15 certification lab? What was good or bad about your experience? How much did the certification cost? Would you use that lab again? Do you want to find a certification lab? Here's the link that I got right off of WISPA's homepage: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearch.cfm -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Part 15 Certification Lab Questions
Jack, I checked this morning as promised. We use Compliance Certification Services out of Morgan Hill, CA (far south Bay area). Apparently we have used them for years and our guys say they are responsive and good. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Part 15 Certification Lab Questions I don't know, but I'll check and report back Jack. I know we have used several. The standards and rules are tight for them, so I think our decision may be based on locality. Stay tuned please. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 8:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Part 15 Certification Lab Questions Patrick, What lab does Alvarion currently use? Do you have any specific labs that you would recommend to WISPs who may want to get their own equipment combinations certified? Thanks, jack Patrick Leary wrote: > We have for years, though I am not personally involved in those > processes. Our 3-digit grantee code is LKT and all equipment > authorizations for all brands) are easily and comprehensively searchable > even if you do not know the grantee code via > https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm. Our > first grant goes back to September 1994. We currently have 54 grants. > Filing fees alone for a Part 15 device was $985 in 2000 > http://www.fcc.gov/fees/2000oetguide.pdf. > > Actual lab costs per device might average about $3,000, less employee > time on our end doing the filing, working with the labs, etc. I estimate > that we have over $1 million invested easily in the certifications alone > and this does not include the millions in R&D spent designing and > building to meet that compliance in the first place across the many > regulatory domains we sell in to. > > Of course, none of this includes ISO certification, UL (Underwriter's > Labs) listings, environmental certifications, corrosion testing, and 3rd > party MTBF testing. > > These costs are incurred by legitimate vendors like us, Trango, > Motorola, and some others. We all gut it up and do what's required of us > as cost of doing business. (And Alvarion was a "little guy" when I > started, yet we still did what was required and even today we are viewed > as a small guy by the big guys.) > > Patrick Leary > AVP WISP Markets > Alvarion, Inc. > o: 650.314.2628 > c: 760.580.0080 > Vonage: 650.641.1243 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Jack Unger > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:10 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Part 15 Certification Lab Questions > > Who's already used a Part 15 certification lab? > > What was good or bad about your experience? > > How much did the certification cost? > > Would you use that lab again? > > > Do you want to find a certification lab? > Here's the link that I got right off of WISPA's homepage: > > > https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearch.cfm > > -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(42).
RE: [WISPA] Part 15 Certification Lab Questions
I don't know, but I'll check and report back Jack. I know we have used several. The standards and rules are tight for them, so I think our decision may be based on locality. Stay tuned please. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 8:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Part 15 Certification Lab Questions Patrick, What lab does Alvarion currently use? Do you have any specific labs that you would recommend to WISPs who may want to get their own equipment combinations certified? Thanks, jack Patrick Leary wrote: > We have for years, though I am not personally involved in those > processes. Our 3-digit grantee code is LKT and all equipment > authorizations for all brands) are easily and comprehensively searchable > even if you do not know the grantee code via > https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm. Our > first grant goes back to September 1994. We currently have 54 grants. > Filing fees alone for a Part 15 device was $985 in 2000 > http://www.fcc.gov/fees/2000oetguide.pdf. > > Actual lab costs per device might average about $3,000, less employee > time on our end doing the filing, working with the labs, etc. I estimate > that we have over $1 million invested easily in the certifications alone > and this does not include the millions in R&D spent designing and > building to meet that compliance in the first place across the many > regulatory domains we sell in to. > > Of course, none of this includes ISO certification, UL (Underwriter's > Labs) listings, environmental certifications, corrosion testing, and 3rd > party MTBF testing. > > These costs are incurred by legitimate vendors like us, Trango, > Motorola, and some others. We all gut it up and do what's required of us > as cost of doing business. (And Alvarion was a "little guy" when I > started, yet we still did what was required and even today we are viewed > as a small guy by the big guys.) > > Patrick Leary > AVP WISP Markets > Alvarion, Inc. > o: 650.314.2628 > c: 760.580.0080 > Vonage: 650.641.1243 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Jack Unger > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:10 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Part 15 Certification Lab Questions > > Who's already used a Part 15 certification lab? > > What was good or bad about your experience? > > How much did the certification cost? > > Would you use that lab again? > > > Do you want to find a certification lab? > Here's the link that I got right off of WISPA's homepage: > > > https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearch.cfm > > -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Part 15 Certification Lab Questions
Patrick, What lab does Alvarion currently use? Do you have any specific labs that you would recommend to WISPs who may want to get their own equipment combinations certified? Thanks, jack Patrick Leary wrote: We have for years, though I am not personally involved in those processes. Our 3-digit grantee code is LKT and all equipment authorizations for all brands) are easily and comprehensively searchable even if you do not know the grantee code via https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm. Our first grant goes back to September 1994. We currently have 54 grants. Filing fees alone for a Part 15 device was $985 in 2000 http://www.fcc.gov/fees/2000oetguide.pdf. Actual lab costs per device might average about $3,000, less employee time on our end doing the filing, working with the labs, etc. I estimate that we have over $1 million invested easily in the certifications alone and this does not include the millions in R&D spent designing and building to meet that compliance in the first place across the many regulatory domains we sell in to. Of course, none of this includes ISO certification, UL (Underwriter's Labs) listings, environmental certifications, corrosion testing, and 3rd party MTBF testing. These costs are incurred by legitimate vendors like us, Trango, Motorola, and some others. We all gut it up and do what's required of us as cost of doing business. (And Alvarion was a "little guy" when I started, yet we still did what was required and even today we are viewed as a small guy by the big guys.) Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Part 15 Certification Lab Questions Who's already used a Part 15 certification lab? What was good or bad about your experience? How much did the certification cost? Would you use that lab again? Do you want to find a certification lab? Here's the link that I got right off of WISPA's homepage: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearch.cfm -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Part 15 Certification Lab Questions
We have for years, though I am not personally involved in those processes. Our 3-digit grantee code is LKT and all equipment authorizations for all brands) are easily and comprehensively searchable even if you do not know the grantee code via https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm. Our first grant goes back to September 1994. We currently have 54 grants. Filing fees alone for a Part 15 device was $985 in 2000 http://www.fcc.gov/fees/2000oetguide.pdf. Actual lab costs per device might average about $3,000, less employee time on our end doing the filing, working with the labs, etc. I estimate that we have over $1 million invested easily in the certifications alone and this does not include the millions in R&D spent designing and building to meet that compliance in the first place across the many regulatory domains we sell in to. Of course, none of this includes ISO certification, UL (Underwriter's Labs) listings, environmental certifications, corrosion testing, and 3rd party MTBF testing. These costs are incurred by legitimate vendors like us, Trango, Motorola, and some others. We all gut it up and do what's required of us as cost of doing business. (And Alvarion was a "little guy" when I started, yet we still did what was required and even today we are viewed as a small guy by the big guys.) Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Part 15 Certification Lab Questions Who's already used a Part 15 certification lab? What was good or bad about your experience? How much did the certification cost? Would you use that lab again? Do you want to find a certification lab? Here's the link that I got right off of WISPA's homepage: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearch.cfm -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
