Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
We use the SMART UPS series with AP9617 control / monitor cards. If you get the XL (extended run) versions, they usually have an external DC battery connector that you can add additional batteries to. We have many of these in the field with years of run time. Expect to change batteries every 2.5 years if you want to prevent failures, or every 3-4 years if failure is acceptable. Marco On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.comwrote: We use the 1500 APCs (non SMART-ups), but when the batteries are at the end of their life, the entire unit shuts off and we have to visit the site. We still continue to use them until we find something better, but at about 3 years, expect the sites to randomly shut off. ** ** Eric ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 4:24 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites ** ** If you are NOT worried about uptime, you could get an APC 1500 or 2200 with an AP9617. Those units are quite good, but they're AC/DC/AC/DC from utility to your radios. I think 80 watts gets you an hour of uptime? I've never had a unit go bad, I always buy refurb'ed units and new batteries. Running three of them for a couple of years now. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: I thought like +/- $200.00 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Greg Ihnen *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:40 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites How much do you want to spend? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: ** ** What’s a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Greg Ihnen *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach...* *** On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO.*** * Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness.* *** Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter *From: *Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *[WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
I have seen the all DC thing done a few ways. 1.2 deep cycle batteries for the 24 volt stuff and 1 12 volt for routers. This requires 2 chargers. The advantage is you can power the routers without them overheating, especially the 450's. 2.You can get a box which steps down voltage from 24 to 12. We will be at Vegas and can show you how we do things. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter From: Robert Kim App and Facebook Marketing evdo.hs...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 21:22:19 -0700 To: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Scott... i forwarded this to my engineering buddy at a major Wisp... ... lets see he can chip in some. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: 24v to poe is fine, we don't power anything directly except routers Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 -- Robert Q Kim SEO Marketing Advisor Google Page 1 http://sparkah.com/google 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Power with 12v then? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO.*** * ** ** Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? ** ** Chris ** ** ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites ** ** Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness.* *** ** ** Justin ** ** -- Justin Wilson http://j...@mtin.netj...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/bloghttp://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2swhttp://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter ** ** *From: *Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com pni...@cnetworksolutions.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org *Date: *Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org *Subject: *[WISPA] Power for tower sites ** ** Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.comwww.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11*** * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Do you need 120vac? I have a fair amount of experience with inverters, which basically is a UPS that doesn't come with a battery. I find them to be much better quality than a UPS. I would definitely use an inverter before I'd use a UPS. I realize the UPS have monitoring and remote control features that you might not get with inverters but I'd add something to give me that functionality. One feature you'll get with the better inverters is the ability to tailor your charge cycle and depth of discharge before the LVD kicks in to your battery bank. If you have the capacity to justify an Outback brand inverter they are great. We use them in the Amazon where we get some wicked lightning and they do really good. Some Engineers that used to be with Trace left and started Outback. If you don't need 120vac and could use just 12 and 24vdc I'd use separate battery banks for both voltages with a good battery charger that charges each 12 volt cell individually even though they're in series. I know of a good charger (I can't think of the brand right now) that does multiple cells. It's basically a bank of chargers in once case. It maintains each battery perfectly according to it's own needs. Though that charger is not adjustable, it's strictly for normal lead acid deep cycle batteries. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Are you connecting the marine batteries in parallel with the internal gel-cell battieries on the UPS? If so, not good. Lead-acid and gel-cells charge at different rates. Disconnect the gel-cells. Run off just the marine batteries. Rod == - Original Message - From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:45 PM Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
I have heard that, but I have 100's of 411s all powered with PacWireless 24V POE. We have 40 or more RB433 and RB433AH all powered with 24. The key here is, at towers we us adjustable power supplies and adjust it while watch the RB's reported voltage. We never exceed 24.5 volts and all seems well. We use MeanWell AD-155B supplies or MeanWell DR-24-120 with Meanwell UPS-40. Not DC to AC conversion so the batteries will run the equipment much longer than a normal UPS. On 9/20/2011 12:51 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog -- xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw -- Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com mailto:pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
+1 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I have heard that, but I have 100's of 411s all powered with PacWireless 24V POE. We have 40 or more RB433 and RB433AH all powered with 24. The key here is, at towers we us adjustable power supplies and adjust it while watch the RB's reported voltage. We never exceed 24.5 volts and all seems well. We use MeanWell AD-155B supplies or MeanWell DR-24-120 with Meanwell UPS-40. Not DC to AC conversion so the batteries will run the equipment much longer than a normal UPS. On 9/20/2011 12:51 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
On 9/20/2011 12:51 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin This may answer why I was experiencing some weird problems with some rb433's I had powered with 24V power supplies. I had to replace them because they were locking up on me. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog -- xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw -- Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com mailto:pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
+1 on outback from what I've heard, I was just never able to justify more than xantrex for my purposes. I have found some really really great prices for xantrex on ebay from time to time. You could use a 24v flavor inverter charger and then use a voltage regulator to take the sloppy battery 24v and regulate it for the 24v powered devices perhaps... This would still offer power for 120vac loads if you have those as well. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: +1 ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Reed *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:09 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites ** ** I have heard that, but I have 100's of 411s all powered with PacWireless 24V POE. We have 40 or more RB433 and RB433AH all powered with 24. The key here is, at towers we us adjustable power supplies and adjust it while watch the RB's reported voltage. We never exceed 24.5 volts and all seems well. We use MeanWell AD-155B supplies or MeanWell DR-24-120 with Meanwell UPS-40. Not DC to AC conversion so the batteries will run the equipment much longer than a normal UPS. On 9/20/2011 12:51 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. ** ** Justin ** ** -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter ** ** *From: *Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *[WISPA] Power for tower sites ** ** Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** ** ** ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org ** ** Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ** ** Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration ** ** ** ** Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11*** * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
We are using just the wet cell batteries. The idea was to make use of some old UPS where the batteries had died. Has anyone heard of an issue where the UPS is looking for 13+ volts and the marine batteries are outputting only 12 volts and this causes a problem? Is anyone successfully running a configuration similar to ours that I might learn from? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rod Shepardson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Are you connecting the marine batteries in parallel with the internal gel-cell battieries on the UPS? If so, not good. Lead-acid and gel-cells charge at different rates. Disconnect the gel-cells. Run off just the marine batteries. Rod == - Original Message - From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:45 PM Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
What's a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net http://Csweb.net/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com/ Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
How much do you want to spend? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What’s a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
In 24V, something like: http://www.ebay.com/itm/XANTREX-TRACE-TR1524-INVERTER-CHARGER-1500-WATT-24-V-/180574328564?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2a0b1196f4#ht_4910wt_1139 might do what you want... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: What’s a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. ** ** ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Greg Ihnen *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites ** ** I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. ** ** Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach...* *** On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO.*** * Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness.* *** Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter *From: *Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *[WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11*** * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
I thought like +/- $200.00 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites How much do you want to spend? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What's a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net http://Csweb.net/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com/ Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
If you are NOT worried about uptime, you could get an APC 1500 or 2200 with an AP9617. Those units are quite good, but they're AC/DC/AC/DC from utility to your radios. I think 80 watts gets you an hour of uptime? I've never had a unit go bad, I always buy refurb'ed units and new batteries. Running three of them for a couple of years now. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: I thought like +/- $200.00 ** ** ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Greg Ihnen *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:40 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites ** ** How much do you want to spend? ** ** Greg ** ** On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What’s a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Greg Ihnen *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach...* *** On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO.*** * Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness.* *** Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter *From: *Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *[WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
We use the 1500 APCs (non SMART-ups), but when the batteries are at the end of their life, the entire unit shuts off and we have to visit the site. We still continue to use them until we find something better, but at about 3 years, expect the sites to randomly shut off. Eric From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 4:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites If you are NOT worried about uptime, you could get an APC 1500 or 2200 with an AP9617. Those units are quite good, but they're AC/DC/AC/DC from utility to your radios. I think 80 watts gets you an hour of uptime? I've never had a unit go bad, I always buy refurb'ed units and new batteries. Running three of them for a couple of years now. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: I thought like +/- $200.00 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites How much do you want to spend? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What's a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Wow, that's scraping the bottom of the barrel. At that price you might be able to get something from Tripplite that includes charger if you find a really good deal. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: I thought like +/- $200.00 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites How much do you want to spend? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What’s a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
It sounds to me like Pat's issue is the power is bad enough there that the UPS is going to invert often and it's killing his batteries because the UPS charges a lot more slowly than it discharges the batteries when it's inverting. There's a ratio of invert to charge time that if you exceed it can't keep up. I suspect if he just added a battery charger to what he's presently got he would find his batteries would last as they should. That would explain the battery issue, but why are the UPS going bad? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: If you are NOT worried about uptime, you could get an APC 1500 or 2200 with an AP9617. Those units are quite good, but they're AC/DC/AC/DC from utility to your radios. I think 80 watts gets you an hour of uptime? I've never had a unit go bad, I always buy refurb'ed units and new batteries. Running three of them for a couple of years now. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: I thought like +/- $200.00 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites How much do you want to spend? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What’s a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Here's what I would recommend: 120W 24V power supply - 43.65 http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/dr-120-24.shtml 24V UPS Module - 44.46 http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/dr-ups40.shtml 24V DC/AC Inverter - 169.86 http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/ts-200-124a.shtml 257.97 plus shipping. Plus throw in 2 - 18Ah or 35Ah SLA's and you got a nice setup. Chris This is of course an AC/DC/AC setup. Throw in a couple of Packet Flux POE switches and a site monitor and you could get rid of the inverter. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I thought like +/- $200.00 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites How much do you want to spend? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What's a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net http://Csweb.net/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com/ Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Get the sdr-120-24. Cheaper and smaller but otherwise identical. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sep 20, 2011 6:37 PM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Here's what I would recommend: 120W 24V power supply - 43.65 http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/dr-120-24.shtml 24V UPS Module - 44.46 http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/dr-ups40.shtml 24V DC/AC Inverter - 169.86 http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/ts-200-124a.shtml 257.97 plus shipping. Plus throw in 2 - 18Ah or 35Ah SLA's and you got a nice setup. Chris This is of course an AC/DC/AC setup. Throw in a couple of Packet Flux POE switches and a site monitor and you could get rid of the inverter. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I thought like +/- $200.00 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites How much do you want to spend? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What's a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net http://Csweb.net/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Scott... i forwarded this to my engineering buddy at a major Wisp... ... lets see he can chip in some. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: 24v to poe is fine, we don't power anything directly except routers Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 -- Robert Q Kim SEO Marketing Advisor Google Page 1 http://sparkah.com/google 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
