Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas
is just a reflector and positioned farther away from the feed receive element, apposed to the panel backplain that might interfact with the RF field because of proximity. With OFDM MIMO the bigger concern is going to be colocation self interference with other antennas. So if mounting several antennas at a sight, you'll want an antenna with good Front to back and sharp cut-off on edges, with minimal side lobes as possible. To compare a [arabolic to PAnel, you'd need to look at the antenna patterns, not sure which is better fif the two are the same gain. (for example 26db parabolic versus 26db panel). Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jawad A Hai To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas Hello Josh, What antennas did you use? Flate Panel or Dish (MIMO), ? What is your Radio that goes with ARC ?? did you get a chance to use other brands beside ARC ? http://en.jirous.com/antenna-5ghz/jrc-29-dx-pr http://www.lanbowan.com/products/en_vpro.asp?id=707 From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas I like ARC Wireless, been happy with them. Never heard of Lanbowan or Jirous. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello, I have posted below in several forums without success, I will appreciate if you some body can advise me. Hi, This is my first post in the forum.( have posted in mikrotik and ddwrt without any luck ) I wanted to know what antennas users/Pros use for PtP needs.(Apart from UBNT) Both Flat Panel and MiMO dish as well as Panel. i was looking at different companies like Lanbowan, Jirous, ARCWireless. Lanbowan has 27 dbi Flat Panel, which others are not offering. ARC has got good reviews on mikrotik forum but jirous has got best port to port isolation(MIMO). Can you all please share your thoughts on antennas. Cuz a good Radio is nothing without a good antenna. My requirement is to have a good PtP links distance from 10-50 KMs range in very crowded environments. I have been trying different brands with different results and its difficult to test the brands in live environments, just thinking to take an advise here on the forum and buy the same and test it. Its not about just one link or two, i needed some permanent vendor. Thank YOu WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas
PtP I will go for short distances anything under 10 KM. Above that I will go for dish. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas Just noticed the subject was ptp. What kind of distances? Panels are not a great choice a lot of the time. On Jul 13, 2011 10:23 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I like ARC Wireless, been happy with them. Never heard of Lanbowan or Jirous. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Hello, I have posted below in several forums without success, I will appreciate if you some body can advise me. Hi, This is my first post in the forum.( have posted in mikrotik and ddwrt without any luck ) I wanted to know what antennas users/Pros use for PtP needs.(Apart from UBNT) Both Flat Panel and MiMO dish as well as Panel. i was looking at different companies like Lanbowan, Jirous, ARCWireless. Lanbowan has 27 dbi Flat Panel, which others are not offering. ARC has got good reviews on mikrotik forum but jirous has got best port to port isolation(MIMO). Can you all please share your thoughts on antennas. Cuz a good Radio is nothing without a good antenna. My requirement is to have a good PtP links distance from 10-50 KMs range in very crowded environments. I have been trying different brands with different results and its difficult to test the brands in live environments, just thinking to take an advise here on the forum and buy the same and test it. Its not about just one link or two, i needed some permanent vendor. Thank YOu WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas
In my opinion it's better to have too much antenna and turn the Tx power down so that I can get narrower beamwidths. The narrower beamwidths make a big difference in a noisy environments. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jawad A Hai Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas PtP I will go for short distances anything under 10 KM. Above that I will go for dish. From: Josh Luthmanmailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:25 AM To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas Just noticed the subject was ptp. What kind of distances? Panels are not a great choice a lot of the time. On Jul 13, 2011 10:23 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I like ARC Wireless, been happy with them. Never heard of Lanbowan or Jirous. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.commailto:ahja...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Hello, I have posted below in several forums without success, I will appreciate if you some body can advise me. Hi, This is my first post in the forum.( have posted in mikrotik and ddwrt without any luck ) I wanted to know what antennas users/Pros use for PtP needs.(Apart from UBNT) Both Flat Panel and MiMO dish as well as Panel. i was looking at different companies like Lanbowan, Jirous, ARCWireless. Lanbowan has 27 dbi Flat Panel, which others are not offering. ARC has got good reviews on mikrotik forum but jirous has got best port to port isolation(MIMO). Can you all please share your thoughts on antennas. Cuz a good Radio is nothing without a good antenna. My requirement is to have a good PtP links distance from 10-50 KMs range in very crowded environments. I have been trying different brands with different results and its difficult to test the brands in live environments, just thinking to take an advise here on the forum and buy the same and test it. Its not about just one link or two, i needed some permanent vendor. Thank YOu WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1516/3763 - Release Date: 07/13/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas
Too much antenna ?? you mean bigger antenna gain ?? From: Jerry Richardson Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas In my opinion it's better to have too much antenna and turn the Tx power down so that I can get narrower beamwidths. The narrower beamwidths make a big difference in a noisy environments. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jawad A Hai Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas PtP I will go for short distances anything under 10 KM. Above that I will go for dish. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas Just noticed the subject was ptp. What kind of distances? Panels are not a great choice a lot of the time. On Jul 13, 2011 10:23 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I like ARC Wireless, been happy with them. Never heard of Lanbowan or Jirous. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Hello, I have posted below in several forums without success, I will appreciate if you some body can advise me. Hi, This is my first post in the forum.( have posted in mikrotik and ddwrt without any luck ) I wanted to know what antennas users/Pros use for PtP needs.(Apart from UBNT) Both Flat Panel and MiMO dish as well as Panel. i was looking at different companies like Lanbowan, Jirous, ARCWireless. Lanbowan has 27 dbi Flat Panel, which others are not offering. ARC has got good reviews on mikrotik forum but jirous has got best port to port isolation(MIMO). Can you all please share your thoughts on antennas. Cuz a good Radio is nothing without a good antenna. My requirement is to have a good PtP links distance from 10-50 KMs range in very crowded environments. I have been trying different brands with different results and its difficult to test the brands in live environments, just thinking to take an advise here on the forum and buy the same and test it. Its not about just one link or two, i needed some permanent vendor. Thank YOu WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1516/3763 - Release Date: 07/13/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas
He is stating (and I agree) it is better to have greater gain on the antenna then it is more transmit power. Spend more money on your antennas then worrying about tx power. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Too much antenna ?? you mean bigger antenna gain ?? *From:* Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com *Sent:* Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:59 PM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas In my opinion it's better to have too much antenna and turn the Tx power down so that I can get narrower beamwidths. The narrower beamwidths make a big difference in a noisy environments. ** ** - Jerry ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jawad A Hai *Sent:* Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:26 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas ** ** PtP I will go for short distances anything under 10 KM. Above that I will go for dish. ** ** *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:25 AM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas ** ** Just noticed the subject was ptp. What kind of distances? Panels are not a great choice a lot of the time. On Jul 13, 2011 10:23 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I like ARC Wireless, been happy with them. Never heard of Lanbowan or Jirous. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Hello, I have posted below in several forums without success, I will appreciate if you some body can advise me. Hi, This is my first post in the forum.( have posted in mikrotik and ddwrt without any luck ) I wanted to know what antennas users/Pros use for PtP needs.(Apart from UBNT) Both Flat Panel and MiMO dish as well as Panel. i was looking at different companies like Lanbowan, Jirous, ARCWireless. Lanbowan has 27 dbi Flat Panel, which others are not offering. ARC has got good reviews on mikrotik forum but jirous has got best port to port isolation(MIMO). Can you all please share your thoughts on antennas. Cuz a good Radio is nothing without a good antenna. My requirement is to have a good PtP links distance from 10-50 KMs range in very crowded environments. I have been trying different brands with different results and its difficult to test the brands in live environments, just thinking to take an advise here on the forum and buy the same and test it. Its not about just one link or two, i needed some permanent vendor. Thank YOu WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1516/3763 - Release Date: 07/13/11*** * -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas
Yes but not necessarily for more EIRP. At 5.8GHz a 23dB panel antenna is ~10deg where a 30dB 2' dish is ~5deg. Since you mentioned you are in a high noise environment, the narrower beamwidth would be preferred. The benefit is that from the Tx side, you are minimizing the amount of spectrum pollution by minimizing the beamwidth and increasing power density. At the Rx side the antenna sees less sky and as such sees less noise increasing your overall link S/N. Depending on the direction of other tranmitters this can mean the differnece between a link that works and link that fails (think cupping your hand behind your ear to hear in a crowded room). A part of antenna selection that many don't consider is spectrum conservation. The goal is to try to achieve the desired link performance while using as little EIRP as possible and minimizing overspray. The less noise you put into the spectrum, the better things will be for you since your competetors won't need to turn up their radios to hear over yours. If you can manage to put up a link in a way that the other guys doesn't even know you are there, you win. If you cause him interference and he turns up his power, or worse moves channels you lose. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jawad A Hai Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas Too much antenna ?? you mean bigger antenna gain ?? From: Jerry Richardsonmailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:59 PM To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas In my opinion it's better to have too much antenna and turn the Tx power down so that I can get narrower beamwidths. The narrower beamwidths make a big difference in a noisy environments. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jawad A Hai Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas PtP I will go for short distances anything under 10 KM. Above that I will go for dish. From: Josh Luthmanmailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:25 AM To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas Just noticed the subject was ptp. What kind of distances? Panels are not a great choice a lot of the time. On Jul 13, 2011 10:23 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I like ARC Wireless, been happy with them. Never heard of Lanbowan or Jirous. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.commailto:ahja...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Hello, I have posted below in several forums without success, I will appreciate if you some body can advise me. Hi, This is my first post in the forum.( have posted in mikrotik and ddwrt without any luck ) I wanted to know what antennas users/Pros use for PtP needs.(Apart from UBNT) Both Flat Panel and MiMO dish as well as Panel. i was looking at different companies like Lanbowan, Jirous, ARCWireless. Lanbowan has 27 dbi Flat Panel, which others are not offering. ARC has got good reviews on mikrotik forum but jirous has got best port to port isolation(MIMO). Can you all please share your thoughts on antennas. Cuz a good Radio is nothing without a good antenna. My requirement is to have a good PtP links distance from 10-50 KMs range in very crowded environments. I have been trying different brands with different results and its difficult to test the brands in live environments, just thinking to take an advise here on the forum and buy the same and test it. Its not about just one link or two, i needed some permanent vendor. Thank YOu WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG
Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas
Yes, and also keep in mind that gain is not always tied to antenna beamwidth. Gain is a function of antenna directivity (which is a good indicator of beamwidth) and antenna efficiency. Parabolic reflectors, for example, have greater directivity, and therefore narrower beamwidths and better interference rejection, than panels, since panels have higher efficiency. -- Patrick Shoemaker From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 13:07 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas He is stating (and I agree) it is better to have greater gain on the antenna then it is more transmit power. Spend more money on your antennas then worrying about tx power. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.commailto:ahja...@hotmail.com wrote: Too much antenna ?? you mean bigger antenna gain ?? From: Jerry Richardsonmailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:59 PM To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas In my opinion it's better to have too much antenna and turn the Tx power down so that I can get narrower beamwidths. The narrower beamwidths make a big difference in a noisy environments. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jawad A Hai Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas PtP I will go for short distances anything under 10 KM. Above that I will go for dish. From: Josh Luthmanmailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:25 AM To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas Just noticed the subject was ptp. What kind of distances? Panels are not a great choice a lot of the time. On Jul 13, 2011 10:23 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I like ARC Wireless, been happy with them. Never heard of Lanbowan or Jirous. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.commailto:ahja...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Hello, I have posted below in several forums without success, I will appreciate if you some body can advise me. Hi, This is my first post in the forum.( have posted in mikrotik and ddwrt without any luck ) I wanted to know what antennas users/Pros use for PtP needs.(Apart from UBNT) Both Flat Panel and MiMO dish as well as Panel. i was looking at different companies like Lanbowan, Jirous, ARCWireless. Lanbowan has 27 dbi Flat Panel, which others are not offering. ARC has got good reviews on mikrotik forum but jirous has got best port to port isolation(MIMO). Can you all please share your thoughts on antennas. Cuz a good Radio is nothing without a good antenna. My requirement is to have a good PtP links distance from 10-50 KMs range in very crowded environments. I have been trying different brands with different results and its difficult to test the brands in live environments, just thinking to take an advise here on the forum and buy the same and test it. Its not about just one link or two, i needed some permanent vendor. Thank YOu WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http
Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas
Yes I agree ... Nice piece of advise. From: Jerry Richardson Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas Yes but not necessarily for more EIRP. At 5.8GHz a 23dB panel antenna is ~10deg where a 30dB 2' dish is ~5deg. Since you mentioned you are in a high noise environment, the narrower beamwidth would be preferred. The benefit is that from the Tx side, you are minimizing the amount of spectrum pollution by minimizing the beamwidth and increasing power density. At the Rx side the antenna sees less sky and as such sees less noise increasing your overall link S/N. Depending on the direction of other tranmitters this can mean the differnece between a link that works and link that fails (think cupping your hand behind your ear to hear in a crowded room). A part of antenna selection that many don't consider is spectrum conservation. The goal is to try to achieve the desired link performance while using as little EIRP as possible and minimizing overspray. The less noise you put into the spectrum, the better things will be for you since your competetors won't need to turn up their radios to hear over yours. If you can manage to put up a link in a way that the other guys doesn't even know you are there, you win. If you cause him interference and he turns up his power, or worse moves channels you lose. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jawad A Hai Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas Too much antenna ?? you mean bigger antenna gain ?? From: Jerry Richardson Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas In my opinion it's better to have too much antenna and turn the Tx power down so that I can get narrower beamwidths. The narrower beamwidths make a big difference in a noisy environments. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jawad A Hai Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas PtP I will go for short distances anything under 10 KM. Above that I will go for dish. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas Just noticed the subject was ptp. What kind of distances? Panels are not a great choice a lot of the time. On Jul 13, 2011 10:23 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I like ARC Wireless, been happy with them. Never heard of Lanbowan or Jirous. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Hello, I have posted below in several forums without success, I will appreciate if you some body can advise me. Hi, This is my first post in the forum.( have posted in mikrotik and ddwrt without any luck ) I wanted to know what antennas users/Pros use for PtP needs.(Apart from UBNT) Both Flat Panel and MiMO dish as well as Panel. i was looking at different companies like Lanbowan, Jirous, ARCWireless. Lanbowan has 27 dbi Flat Panel, which others are not offering. ARC has got good reviews on mikrotik forum but jirous has got best port to port isolation(MIMO). Can you all please share your thoughts on antennas. Cuz a good Radio is nothing without a good antenna. My requirement is to have a good PtP links distance from 10-50 KMs range in very crowded environments. I have been trying different brands with different results and its difficult to test the brands in live environments, just thinking to take an advise here on the forum and buy the same and test it. Its not about just one link or two, i needed some permanent vendor. Thank YOu WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG
Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas
Oops, didn't mean to repeat Jerry's post. Didn't see it before writing mine. -- Patrick Shoemaker From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 14:57 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas Yes, and also keep in mind that gain is not always tied to antenna beamwidth. Gain is a function of antenna directivity (which is a good indicator of beamwidth) and antenna efficiency. Parabolic reflectors, for example, have greater directivity, and therefore narrower beamwidths and better interference rejection, than panels, since panels have higher efficiency. -- Patrick Shoemaker From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 13:07 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas He is stating (and I agree) it is better to have greater gain on the antenna then it is more transmit power. Spend more money on your antennas then worrying about tx power. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.commailto:ahja...@hotmail.com wrote: Too much antenna ?? you mean bigger antenna gain ?? From: Jerry Richardsonmailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:59 PM To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas In my opinion it's better to have too much antenna and turn the Tx power down so that I can get narrower beamwidths. The narrower beamwidths make a big difference in a noisy environments. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jawad A Hai Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas PtP I will go for short distances anything under 10 KM. Above that I will go for dish. From: Josh Luthmanmailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:25 AM To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas Just noticed the subject was ptp. What kind of distances? Panels are not a great choice a lot of the time. On Jul 13, 2011 10:23 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I like ARC Wireless, been happy with them. Never heard of Lanbowan or Jirous. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.commailto:ahja...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Hello, I have posted below in several forums without success, I will appreciate if you some body can advise me. Hi, This is my first post in the forum.( have posted in mikrotik and ddwrt without any luck ) I wanted to know what antennas users/Pros use for PtP needs.(Apart from UBNT) Both Flat Panel and MiMO dish as well as Panel. i was looking at different companies like Lanbowan, Jirous, ARCWireless. Lanbowan has 27 dbi Flat Panel, which others are not offering. ARC has got good reviews on mikrotik forum but jirous has got best port to port isolation(MIMO). Can you all please share your thoughts on antennas. Cuz a good Radio is nothing without a good antenna. My requirement is to have a good PtP links distance from 10-50 KMs range in very crowded environments. I have been trying different brands with different results and its difficult to test the brands in live environments, just thinking to take an advise here on the forum and buy the same and test it. Its not about just one link or two, i needed some permanent vendor. Thank YOu WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG
Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas
It's OK. It makes it look like we're actually sharing some truth and not some made up facts. We all know to make the best links you just need a 10 jigawatt amp and 3 dbi omnis. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com wrote: Oops, didn’t mean to repeat Jerry’s post. Didn’t see it before writing mine. ** ** -- Patrick Shoemaker ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Shoemaker *Sent:* Thursday, July 14, 2011 14:57 *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas ** ** Yes, and also keep in mind that gain is not always tied to antenna beamwidth. Gain is a function of antenna directivity (which is a good indicator of beamwidth) and antenna efficiency. Parabolic reflectors, for example, have greater directivity, and therefore narrower beamwidths and better interference rejection, than panels, since panels have higher efficiency. ** ** -- Patrick Shoemaker ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Thursday, July 14, 2011 13:07 *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas ** ** He is stating (and I agree) it is better to have greater gain on the antenna then it is more transmit power. Spend more money on your antennas then worrying about tx power. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.com wrote:* *** Too much antenna ?? you mean bigger antenna gain ?? ** ** *From:* Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com *Sent:* Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:59 PM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas ** ** In my opinion it's better to have too much antenna and turn the Tx power down so that I can get narrower beamwidths. The narrower beamwidths make a big difference in a noisy environments. - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jawad A Hai *Sent:* Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:26 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas PtP I will go for short distances anything under 10 KM. Above that I will go for dish. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:25 AM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas Just noticed the subject was ptp. What kind of distances? Panels are not a great choice a lot of the time. On Jul 13, 2011 10:23 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I like ARC Wireless, been happy with them. Never heard of Lanbowan or Jirous. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Hello, I have posted below in several forums without success, I will appreciate if you some body can advise me. Hi, This is my first post in the forum.( have posted in mikrotik and ddwrt without any luck ) I wanted to know what antennas users/Pros use for PtP needs.(Apart from UBNT) Both Flat Panel and MiMO dish as well as Panel. i was looking at different companies like Lanbowan, Jirous, ARCWireless. Lanbowan has 27 dbi Flat Panel, which others are not offering. ARC has got good reviews on mikrotik forum but jirous has got best port to port isolation(MIMO). Can you all please share your thoughts on antennas. Cuz a good Radio is nothing without a good antenna. My requirement is to have a good PtP links distance from 10-50 KMs range in very crowded environments. I have been trying different brands with different results and its difficult to test the brands in live environments, just thinking to take an advise here on the forum and buy the same and test it. Its not about just one link or two, i needed some permanent vendor. Thank YOu WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas
I like ARC Wireless, been happy with them. Never heard of Lanbowan or Jirous. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Hello, I have posted below in several forums without success, I will appreciate if you some body can advise me. Hi, This is my first post in the forum.( have posted in mikrotik and ddwrt without any luck ) I wanted to know what antennas users/Pros use for PtP needs.(Apart from UBNT) Both Flat Panel and MiMO dish as well as Panel. i was looking at different companies like Lanbowan, Jirous, ARCWireless. Lanbowan has 27 dbi Flat Panel, which others are not offering. ARC has got good reviews on mikrotik forum but jirous has got best port to port isolation(MIMO). Can you all please share your thoughts on antennas. Cuz a good Radio is nothing without a good antenna. My requirement is to have a good PtP links distance from 10-50 KMs range in very crowded environments. I have been trying different brands with different results and its difficult to test the brands in live environments, just thinking to take an advise here on the forum and buy the same and test it. Its not about just one link or two, i needed some permanent vendor. Thank YOu WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas
Hello Josh, What antennas did you use? Flate Panel or Dish (MIMO), ? What is your Radio that goes with ARC ?? did you get a chance to use other brands beside ARC ? http://en.jirous.com/antenna-5ghz/jrc-29-dx-pr http://www.lanbowan.com/products/en_vpro.asp?id=707 From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas I like ARC Wireless, been happy with them. Never heard of Lanbowan or Jirous. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello, I have posted below in several forums without success, I will appreciate if you some body can advise me. Hi, This is my first post in the forum.( have posted in mikrotik and ddwrt without any luck ) I wanted to know what antennas users/Pros use for PtP needs.(Apart from UBNT) Both Flat Panel and MiMO dish as well as Panel. i was looking at different companies like Lanbowan, Jirous, ARCWireless. Lanbowan has 27 dbi Flat Panel, which others are not offering. ARC has got good reviews on mikrotik forum but jirous has got best port to port isolation(MIMO). Can you all please share your thoughts on antennas. Cuz a good Radio is nothing without a good antenna. My requirement is to have a good PtP links distance from 10-50 KMs range in very crowded environments. I have been trying different brands with different results and its difficult to test the brands in live environments, just thinking to take an advise here on the forum and buy the same and test it. Its not about just one link or two, i needed some permanent vendor. Thank YOu WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas
Flat panel. Mikrotik. The brands I replaced, for the most part, are unknown to me. I did replace a pair of little PacWireless dishes but it isn't something comparable (due to LMR400 runs). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Hello Josh, What antennas did you use? Flate Panel or Dish (MIMO), ? What is your Radio that goes with ARC ?? did you get a chance to use other brands beside ARC ? http://en.jirous.com/antenna-5ghz/jrc-29-dx-pr http://www.lanbowan.com/products/en_vpro.asp?id=707 *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:20 PM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas I like ARC Wireless, been happy with them. Never heard of Lanbowan or Jirous. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Hello, I have posted below in several forums without success, I will appreciate if you some body can advise me. Hi, This is my first post in the forum.( have posted in mikrotik and ddwrt without any luck ) I wanted to know what antennas users/Pros use for PtP needs.(Apart from UBNT) Both Flat Panel and MiMO dish as well as Panel. i was looking at different companies like Lanbowan, Jirous, ARCWireless. Lanbowan has 27 dbi Flat Panel, which others are not offering. ARC has got good reviews on mikrotik forum but jirous has got best port to port isolation(MIMO). Can you all please share your thoughts on antennas. Cuz a good Radio is nothing without a good antenna. My requirement is to have a good PtP links distance from 10-50 KMs range in very crowded environments. I have been trying different brands with different results and its difficult to test the brands in live environments, just thinking to take an advise here on the forum and buy the same and test it. Its not about just one link or two, i needed some permanent vendor. Thank YOu WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas
Jawad, There is no simple answer to this. You have to take manufactuer specs with a grain of salt as many will skew the numbers leading you to believe the product is better than it is. The other issue is that in many cases the product is a re-branded product made by someone else. Truth be told, if you want PtP in noisy environments you might consider using the new Ubiquity RocketM-GPS radios. You will be able to run channels closer together and in some cases re-use channels which will help a lot. The kits are low-cost and high performance, and the dishes work great. For panels, ARC has always performed as I expected it to. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jawad A Hai Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas Hello, I have posted below in several forums without success, I will appreciate if you some body can advise me. Hi, This is my first post in the forum.( have posted in mikrotik and ddwrt without any luck ) I wanted to know what antennas users/Pros use for PtP needs.(Apart from UBNT) Both Flat Panel and MiMO dish as well as Panel. i was looking at different companies like Lanbowan, Jirous, ARCWireless. Lanbowan has 27 dbi Flat Panel, which others are not offering. ARC has got good reviews on mikrotik forum but jirous has got best port to port isolation(MIMO). Can you all please share your thoughts on antennas. Cuz a good Radio is nothing without a good antenna. My requirement is to have a good PtP links distance from 10-50 KMs range in very crowded environments. I have been trying different brands with different results and its difficult to test the brands in live environments, just thinking to take an advise here on the forum and buy the same and test it. Its not about just one link or two, i needed some permanent vendor. Thank YOu No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1516/3762 - Release Date: 07/13/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas
Hello Jerry, Thank YOu for the suggestion. You have exactly understood my problem, I read specs and bring the product and test then compare it with other I always had issues. My main issues is the place where I live I don't have liberty of importing using direct channels. I have to use backdoors for importing and I usually import large numbers and keep them in stock. The stock usually last for 2-4 months. Problem now is UBNT is out of stock and waiting time is 6 weeks +. Appreciate your reply Jerry. From: Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas Jawad, There is no simple answer to this. You have to take manufactuer specs with a grain of salt as many will skew the numbers leading you to believe the product is better than it is. The other issue is that in many cases the product is a re-branded product made by someone else. Truth be told, if you want PtP in noisy environments you might consider using the new Ubiquity RocketM-GPS radios. You will be able to run channels closer together and in some cases re-use channels which will help a lot. The kits are low-cost and high performance, and the dishes work great. For panels, ARC has always performed as I expected it to. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jawad A Hai Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas Hello, I have posted below in several forums without success, I will appreciate if you some body can advise me. Hi, This is my first post in the forum.( have posted in mikrotik and ddwrt without any luck ) I wanted to know what antennas users/Pros use for PtP needs.(Apart from UBNT) Both Flat Panel and MiMO dish as well as Panel. i was looking at different companies like Lanbowan, Jirous, ARCWireless. Lanbowan has 27 dbi Flat Panel, which others are not offering. ARC has got good reviews on mikrotik forum but jirous has got best port to port isolation(MIMO). Can you all please share your thoughts on antennas. Cuz a good Radio is nothing without a good antenna. My requirement is to have a good PtP links distance from 10-50 KMs range in very crowded environments. I have been trying different brands with different results and its difficult to test the brands in live environments, just thinking to take an advise here on the forum and buy the same and test it. Its not about just one link or two, i needed some permanent vendor. Thank YOu No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1516/3762 - Release Date: 07/13/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas
You could potentially start with the standard Rockets. When the GPS units are more available, you could swap out the AP end and keep the non-GPS units for spares on the Station end. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jawad A Hai Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas Hello Jerry, Thank YOu for the suggestion. You have exactly understood my problem, I read specs and bring the product and test then compare it with other I always had issues. My main issues is the place where I live I don't have liberty of importing using direct channels. I have to use backdoors for importing and I usually import large numbers and keep them in stock. The stock usually last for 2-4 months. Problem now is UBNT is out of stock and waiting time is 6 weeks +. Appreciate your reply Jerry. From: Jerry Richardsonmailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:48 PM To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas Jawad, There is no simple answer to this. You have to take manufactuer specs with a grain of salt as many will skew the numbers leading you to believe the product is better than it is. The other issue is that in many cases the product is a re-branded product made by someone else. Truth be told, if you want PtP in noisy environments you might consider using the new Ubiquity RocketM-GPS radios. You will be able to run channels closer together and in some cases re-use channels which will help a lot. The kits are low-cost and high performance, and the dishes work great. For panels, ARC has always performed as I expected it to. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jawad A Hai Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas Hello, I have posted below in several forums without success, I will appreciate if you some body can advise me. Hi, This is my first post in the forum.( have posted in mikrotik and ddwrt without any luck ) I wanted to know what antennas users/Pros use for PtP needs.(Apart from UBNT) Both Flat Panel and MiMO dish as well as Panel. i was looking at different companies like Lanbowan, Jirous, ARCWireless. Lanbowan has 27 dbi Flat Panel, which others are not offering. ARC has got good reviews on mikrotik forum but jirous has got best port to port isolation(MIMO). Can you all please share your thoughts on antennas. Cuz a good Radio is nothing without a good antenna. My requirement is to have a good PtP links distance from 10-50 KMs range in very crowded environments. I have been trying different brands with different results and its difficult to test the brands in live environments, just thinking to take an advise here on the forum and buy the same and test it. Its not about just one link or two, i needed some permanent vendor. Thank YOu No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1516/3762 - Release Date: 07/13/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1516/3762 - Release Date: 07/13/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas
+1 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I like ARC Wireless, been happy with them. Never heard of Lanbowan or Jirous. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Hello, I have posted below in several forums without success, I will appreciate if you some body can advise me. Hi, This is my first post in the forum.( have posted in mikrotik and ddwrt without any luck ) I wanted to know what antennas users/Pros use for PtP needs.(Apart from UBNT) Both Flat Panel and MiMO dish as well as Panel. i was looking at different companies like Lanbowan, Jirous, ARCWireless. Lanbowan has 27 dbi Flat Panel, which others are not offering. ARC has got good reviews on mikrotik forum but jirous has got best port to port isolation(MIMO). Can you all please share your thoughts on antennas. Cuz a good Radio is nothing without a good antenna. My requirement is to have a good PtP links distance from 10-50 KMs range in very crowded environments. I have been trying different brands with different results and its difficult to test the brands in live environments, just thinking to take an advise here on the forum and buy the same and test it. Its not about just one link or two, i needed some permanent vendor. Thank YOu WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas
Just noticed the subject was ptp. What kind of distances? Panels are not a great choice a lot of the time. On Jul 13, 2011 10:23 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I like ARC Wireless, been happy with them. Never heard of Lanbowan or Jirous. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Hello, I have posted below in several forums without success, I will appreciate if you some body can advise me. Hi, This is my first post in the forum.( have posted in mikrotik and ddwrt without any luck ) I wanted to know what antennas users/Pros use for PtP needs.(Apart from UBNT) Both Flat Panel and MiMO dish as well as Panel. i was looking at different companies like Lanbowan, Jirous, ARCWireless. Lanbowan has 27 dbi Flat Panel, which others are not offering. ARC has got good reviews on mikrotik forum but jirous has got best port to port isolation(MIMO). Can you all please share your thoughts on antennas. Cuz a good Radio is nothing without a good antenna. My requirement is to have a good PtP links distance from 10-50 KMs range in very crowded environments. I have been trying different brands with different results and its difficult to test the brands in live environments, just thinking to take an advise here on the forum and buy the same and test it. Its not about just one link or two, i needed some permanent vendor. Thank YOu WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas
I'll save Chuck from having to type this again: http://www.ubnt.com/stock :P On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Hello Jerry, Thank YOu for the suggestion. You have exactly understood my problem, I read specs and bring the product and test then compare it with other I always had issues. My main issues is the place where I live I don’t have liberty of importing using direct channels. I have to use backdoors for importing and I usually import large numbers and keep them in stock. The stock usually last for 2-4 months. Problem now is UBNT is out of stock and waiting time is 6 weeks +. Appreciate your reply Jerry. *From:* Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com *Sent:* Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:48 PM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas Jawad, There is no simple answer to this. ** ** You have to take manufactuer specs with a grain of salt as many will skew the numbers leading you to believe the product is better than it is. The other issue is that in many cases the product is a re-branded product made by someone else. ** ** Truth be told, if you want PtP in noisy environments you might consider using the new Ubiquity RocketM-GPS radios. You will be able to run channels closer together and in some cases re-use channels which will help a lot. The kits are low-cost and high performance, and the dishes work great. ** ** For panels, ARC has always performed as I expected it to. ** ** - Jerry ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jawad A Hai *Sent:* Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:15 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas ** ** Hello, I have posted below in several forums without success, I will appreciate if you some body can advise me. Hi, This is my first post in the forum.( have posted in mikrotik and ddwrt without any luck ) I wanted to know what antennas users/Pros use for PtP needs.(Apart from UBNT) Both Flat Panel and MiMO dish as well as Panel. i was looking at different companies like Lanbowan, Jirous, ARCWireless. Lanbowan has 27 dbi Flat Panel, which others are not offering. ARC has got good reviews on mikrotik forum but jirous has got best port to port isolation(MIMO). Can you all please share your thoughts on antennas. Cuz a good Radio is nothing without a good antenna. My requirement is to have a good PtP links distance from 10-50 KMs range in very crowded environments. I have been trying different brands with different results and its difficult to test the brands in live environments, just thinking to take an advise here on the forum and buy the same and test it. Its not about just one link or two, i needed some permanent vendor. Thank YOu -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1516/3762 - Release Date: 07/13/11*** * -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
