Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MPLSVPLS - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement >> Mikrotik v3 supports MPLS. > > What? More info! What MPLS components? > > This also was a helpful site, for a Linux MPLS project thats comming > along. > http://www.elcom.pub.ro/~adrian.popa/mpls-linux/mpls-linux-docs/ > > PS. Actually early versions of Zebra supported partial MPLS support > "mpls-te". But there is more than just that. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:59 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement > > >>I *hope* to do this hundreds times over. ;-) I estimate the provider I'm >> working with has several hundred locations for me to work into. >> >> Mikrotik v3 supports MPLS. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:13 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement >> >> >>> Mike Hammett wrote: >>>> I got responses a little quicker than I thought. It looks like EoIP >>>> and >>>> MPLS\VPLS will do what I want. >>> >>> EoIP is basically a Mikrotik-proprietary feature, as fas as I know. >>> (Chances are, some other vendors have something similar with a different >>> name. I mentioned this specific combination because I've worked with it >>> before and know it works, and is dead simple to set up.) >>> >>> MPLS would work, but is probably more complicated than what you really >>> need. (And much of the gear you'd need to support MPLS is a bit pricey.) >>> If you expect to be doing this a few hundred times over, MPLS has some >>> interesting features; for just a few T1 circuits, EoIP is probably >>> sufficient. >>> >>> David Smith >>> MVN.net >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MPLSVPLS - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement >> Mikrotik v3 supports MPLS. > > What? More info! What MPLS components? > > This also was a helpful site, for a Linux MPLS project thats comming > along. > http://www.elcom.pub.ro/~adrian.popa/mpls-linux/mpls-linux-docs/ > > PS. Actually early versions of Zebra supported partial MPLS support > "mpls-te". But there is more than just that. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:59 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement > > >>I *hope* to do this hundreds times over. ;-) I estimate the provider I'm >> working with has several hundred locations for me to work into. >> >> Mikrotik v3 supports MPLS. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:13 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement >> >> >>> Mike Hammett wrote: >>>> I got responses a little quicker than I thought. It looks like EoIP >>>> and >>>> MPLS\VPLS will do what I want. >>> >>> EoIP is basically a Mikrotik-proprietary feature, as fas as I know. >>> (Chances are, some other vendors have something similar with a different >>> name. I mentioned this specific combination because I've worked with it >>> before and know it works, and is dead simple to set up.) >>> >>> MPLS would work, but is probably more complicated than what you really >>> need. (And much of the gear you'd need to support MPLS is a bit pricey.) >>> If you expect to be doing this a few hundred times over, MPLS has some >>> interesting features; for just a few T1 circuits, EoIP is probably >>> sufficient. >>> >>> David Smith >>> MVN.net >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement
> Mikrotik v3 supports MPLS. What? More info! What MPLS components? This also was a helpful site, for a Linux MPLS project thats comming along. http://www.elcom.pub.ro/~adrian.popa/mpls-linux/mpls-linux-docs/ PS. Actually early versions of Zebra supported partial MPLS support "mpls-te". But there is more than just that. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement >I *hope* to do this hundreds times over. ;-) I estimate the provider I'm > working with has several hundred locations for me to work into. > > Mikrotik v3 supports MPLS. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > - Original Message - > From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:13 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement > > >> Mike Hammett wrote: >>> I got responses a little quicker than I thought. It looks like EoIP and >>> MPLS\VPLS will do what I want. >> >> EoIP is basically a Mikrotik-proprietary feature, as fas as I know. >> (Chances are, some other vendors have something similar with a different >> name. I mentioned this specific combination because I've worked with it >> before and know it works, and is dead simple to set up.) >> >> MPLS would work, but is probably more complicated than what you really >> need. (And much of the gear you'd need to support MPLS is a bit pricey.) >> If you expect to be doing this a few hundred times over, MPLS has some >> interesting features; for just a few T1 circuits, EoIP is probably >> sufficient. >> >> David Smith >> MVN.net >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement
I *hope* to do this hundreds times over. ;-) I estimate the provider I'm working with has several hundred locations for me to work into. Mikrotik v3 supports MPLS. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement > Mike Hammett wrote: >> I got responses a little quicker than I thought. It looks like EoIP and >> MPLS\VPLS will do what I want. > > EoIP is basically a Mikrotik-proprietary feature, as fas as I know. > (Chances are, some other vendors have something similar with a different > name. I mentioned this specific combination because I've worked with it > before and know it works, and is dead simple to set up.) > > MPLS would work, but is probably more complicated than what you really > need. (And much of the gear you'd need to support MPLS is a bit pricey.) > If you expect to be doing this a few hundred times over, MPLS has some > interesting features; for just a few T1 circuits, EoIP is probably > sufficient. > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement
Mike Hammett wrote: > I got responses a little quicker than I thought. It looks like EoIP and > MPLS\VPLS will do what I want. EoIP is basically a Mikrotik-proprietary feature, as fas as I know. (Chances are, some other vendors have something similar with a different name. I mentioned this specific combination because I've worked with it before and know it works, and is dead simple to set up.) MPLS would work, but is probably more complicated than what you really need. (And much of the gear you'd need to support MPLS is a bit pricey.) If you expect to be doing this a few hundred times over, MPLS has some interesting features; for just a few T1 circuits, EoIP is probably sufficient. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement
I got responses a little quicker than I thought. It looks like EoIP and MPLS\VPLS will do what I want. Differences... EoIP is Mikrotik only and has additional overhead? It looks like I need to learn more about MPLS suggested sources? I've looked at Mikrotik and Wikipedia's entries on the subject. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 4:54 PM Subject: [WISPA] T1 Replacement >I am looking to replace some T1 circuits with my wireless network. It >would be advantageous to have a complete Layer 2 link through my network >from the Ethernet port I hand to the client to the Ethernet port I hand off >at the provider's NOC. No IP monkey business for me to worry about. > > What is the most transparent way to do this? I am looking at using > Redline AN-80i or someone's 5 GHz WiMax for the PtMP system and a mix of > Redline, Orthogon, and fiber for the backbone. I have a preference to > Mikrotik, then Imagestream routing products. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement
It's as easy as a PPTP tunnel utilizing MT. They can do their own routing..etc and all you provide is the tunnel and intranet access. Mac > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 4:54 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] T1 Replacement > > I am looking to replace some T1 circuits with my wireless network. It > would be advantageous to have a complete Layer 2 link through my > network from the Ethernet port I hand to the client to the Ethernet > port I hand off at the provider's NOC. No IP monkey business for me to > worry about. > > What is the most transparent way to do this? I am looking at using > Redline AN-80i or someone's 5 GHz WiMax for the PtMP system and a mix > of Redline, Orthogon, and fiber for the backbone. I have a preference > to Mikrotik, then Imagestream routing products. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > --- > - > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > - > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement
I have used EoIP, but not extensively. I'm guessing it would be up to every device between if I were to support a 1500 MTU through the EoIP tunnel. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement > Mike Hammett wrote: >> I am looking to replace some T1 circuits with my wireless network. >> >> What is the most transparent way to do this? > > If the two points have IP connectivity, Mikrotik's ethernet-over-IP is > about as transparent as you can get. Last year, when we moved to our new > office, we left half the NOC, including a couple T1s, at the old office > for a few days, and ran EoIP over our wireless network, running on a > pair of cheap Routerboard 500s. Aside from a few extra milliseconds of > latency, it was completely transparent. > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement
The network will be routed at every location I have equipment, but I need to tunnel through. I won't be delivering Internet service but an "Ethernet" local loop from their NOC to their clients. I don't know much about MPLS, but will that allow them to have a standard /30 connecting the NOC router with the client router? I don't want to be involved in their routing at all. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 4:54 PM Subject: [WISPA] T1 Replacement >I am looking to replace some T1 circuits with my wireless network. It >would be advantageous to have a complete Layer 2 link through my network >from the Ethernet port I hand to the client to the Ethernet port I hand off >at the provider's NOC. No IP monkey business for me to worry about. > > What is the most transparent way to do this? I am looking at using > Redline AN-80i or someone's 5 GHz WiMax for the PtMP system and a mix of > Redline, Orthogon, and fiber for the backbone. I have a preference to > Mikrotik, then Imagestream routing products. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement
Trango GigaLINK radios have eight wayside T1 circuits alongside four independent copper GigE ports for data. If this is too pricy or overkill then I would look into the RAD Data Communications Airmux-200. Gives you up to four T1 ports along with Ethernet transport all in one package. Works well for those clients that need a "T1" between two locations for their PBX system etc, but also want more data capacity for their network. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 4:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] T1 Replacement I am looking to replace some T1 circuits with my wireless network. It would be advantageous to have a complete Layer 2 link through my network from the Ethernet port I hand to the client to the Ethernet port I hand off at the provider's NOC. No IP monkey business for me to worry about. What is the most transparent way to do this? I am looking at using Redline AN-80i or someone's 5 GHz WiMax for the PtMP system and a mix of Redline, Orthogon, and fiber for the backbone. I have a preference to Mikrotik, then Imagestream routing products. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T1 Replacement
Mike Hammett wrote: > I am looking to replace some T1 circuits with my wireless network. > > What is the most transparent way to do this? If the two points have IP connectivity, Mikrotik's ethernet-over-IP is about as transparent as you can get. Last year, when we moved to our new office, we left half the NOC, including a couple T1s, at the old office for a few days, and ran EoIP over our wireless network, running on a pair of cheap Routerboard 500s. Aside from a few extra milliseconds of latency, it was completely transparent. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
