RE: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

2006-01-12 Thread Rick Harnish
Rick,

There is a link in the drop down list called WISP Resouces for that page.
It is the very top page called FCC Tower Search.  

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
President
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Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:19 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations


There's a site somewhere buried inside the FCC tower search where you can
input GPS coords, and it'll tell you whether you need
special FAA approval or not.

The way to FIND that search eludes me at the moment, though.

Sorry 

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Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:22 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

Sounds like I'll be fine cause there isn't an airport close to here.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


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Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:59 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

There are FAA guidelines about structures under 200 feet near airports but I
have not searched for those guidelines. If you Google
it and find anything of interest please feel free to pass along to the rest
of us here. I remember something about allowing so many
feet above AGL (Average Ground Level) for every mile from a runway.
Scriv

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 *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:57 AM
 *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

 Did anyone ever respond on this? I am interested as well.

 Thanks,

 John




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 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:44 PM
 *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

 Beside's local regulations does the FAA/FCC have requirements on
 the distance your tower is from the roads if it falls. I had
 someone tell me today that a couple years ago they made a law that
 if you had a 100' tower it needed to be 150' away from the road.
 And they said that older towers would be grandfathered in.

 Kurt Fankhauser

 WAVELINC

 114 S. Walnut St.

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 419-562-6405

 www.wavelinc.com



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RE: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

2006-01-12 Thread Rick Harnish
Doih!,  The link is on the www.wispa.org webpage.

Rick Harnish
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

Rick,

There is a link in the drop down list called WISP Resouces for that page.
It is the very top page called FCC Tower Search.  

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
260-307-4000 Cell
260-918-4340 VoIP
www.oibw.net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Smith
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:19 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations


There's a site somewhere buried inside the FCC tower search where you can
input GPS coords, and it'll tell you whether you need
special FAA approval or not.

The way to FIND that search eludes me at the moment, though.

Sorry 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:22 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

Sounds like I'll be fine cause there isn't an airport close to here.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:59 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

There are FAA guidelines about structures under 200 feet near airports but I
have not searched for those guidelines. If you Google
it and find anything of interest please feel free to pass along to the rest
of us here. I remember something about allowing so many
feet above AGL (Average Ground Level) for every mile from a runway.
Scriv

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 *To:* 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:57 AM
 *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

 Did anyone ever respond on this? I am interested as well.

 Thanks,

 John




 *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:44 PM
 *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

 Beside's local regulations does the FAA/FCC have requirements on
 the distance your tower is from the roads if it falls. I had
 someone tell me today that a couple years ago they made a law that
 if you had a 100' tower it needed to be 150' away from the road.
 And they said that older towers would be grandfathered in.

 Kurt Fankhauser

 WAVELINC

 114 S. Walnut St.

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 419-562-6405

 www.wavelinc.com



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Re: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

2006-01-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
The best way is to contact the FAA directly.  A couple of quick phone calls 
should do the trick.


marlon

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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations




There's a site somewhere buried inside the FCC tower search where you can 
input GPS coords, and it'll tell you whether you need

special FAA approval or not.

The way to FIND that search eludes me at the moment, though.

Sorry

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Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser

Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:22 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

Sounds like I'll be fine cause there isn't an airport close to here.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of John Scrivner

Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:59 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

There are FAA guidelines about structures under 200 feet near airports but 
I have not searched for those guidelines. If you Google
it and find anything of interest please feel free to pass along to the 
rest of us here. I remember something about allowing so many

feet above AGL (Average Ground Level) for every mile from a runway.
Scriv


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*From:* JNA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:57 AM
*Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

Did anyone ever respond on this? I am interested as well.

Thanks,

John






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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:44 PM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

Beside's local regulations does the FAA/FCC have requirements on
the distance your tower is from the roads if it falls. I had
someone tell me today that a couple years ago they made a law that
if you had a 100' tower it needed to be 150' away from the road.
And they said that older towers would be grandfathered in.

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

114 S. Walnut St.

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405

www.wavelinc.com




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Re: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

2006-01-11 Thread Tom DeReggi



From my understanding the FCC only has provisions 
for towers 200 ft or taller, that they register. And guildlines for masts, 
not to exceed 10 feet under Otard.
Everything in between is up for debate and 
controled by local zoning rules. Not all local governementshave a 
classification forprivate backyard towers, as they typically weren't 
something commonly built to talk about when rules were made, based on estimated 
costs. Often its bundled into telecommunications towers like cell phones 
carriers use, and it could be argured that its not a telecommunications tower, 
but a broadband tower.But there usually is also rules on a tower 
structure. Technically, with enough justification and 
engineeringthere isn't any limitation on where a tower is built under 
thespecial exceptions process. Its jsut really difficult and 
expensive to get approval to build something beyond the pre-approved 
rules. The idea is to conform to any rules that exist that prevent you 
from having to go through special exceptions so you are not delayed and don't 
incur the cost of doing so. The second a special exceptions is considered, 
delays and costs can skyrocket depending on the locality. Our Montgomery 
County Special exceptions rule require 150 feet from neighbor's property for 
every 100 ft of tower. The reasons are obvious, for the safety of your neighbors 
if it were to fall.

The FCC told me that if I had a problem working 
with local governement, I could ask for their assistance, and they could help 
encourage the locality, because the local governement is required to facilitate 
a means for locals to pursue their options for tower building. However, 
ultimately it was the locality's right to rule.

My question to you is, why do you ask? The 
entity you need to ask is the local governement that has authority. If the local 
governement doesn't haveregulations on the towers, take advantage of that 
and start building before they do, and likely you'll be grandfathered in by 
then. Or are you having problems working with the local 
governement?

IF having problems, the best bet is to lookat 
FCC regulations, that require local governements to offer support in a timely 
manner. There were some cases a while back on that, where the governement was 
sued,because they cost the private industry 
millions of dollars because of the delay of authorizing permits, that should 
have been authorized. In the end, I think the Municipality won, because it 
was ruled that they didn't want to make municipalities to be responsibile 
because then they would be afraid to make jusdgements when they were 
undertrained on how to make the judgement, and they feared it would force 
authroizing towers that shouldn't be, to reduce liability, and therefore not in 
the publics best interest. Or something to that nature. But rules were proposed 
to be put inplace that would require municipalities to not unnecessarilly delay 
the authorization process. Its a grey area of much debate.

Tom DeReggiRapidDSL  Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless 
Broadband



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  From: 
  JNA 
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:57 
  AM
  Subject: RE: [WISPA] Tower Height 
  Regulations
  
  
  Did anyone ever 
  respond on this? I am interested as well.
  
  Thanks,
  John
  
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
  Behalf Of Kurt FankhauserSent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:44 
  PMTo: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: [WISPA] Tower Height 
  Regulations
  
  Beside’s local regulations does 
  the FAA/FCC have requirements on the distance your tower is from the roads if 
  it falls. I had someone tell me today that a couple years ago they made a law 
  that if you had a 100’ tower it needed to be 150’ away from the road. And they 
  said that older towers would be grandfathered in.
  
  Kurt 
  Fankhauser
  WAVELINC
  114 S. 
  Walnut St.
  Bucyrus, OH 44820
  419-562-6405
  www.wavelinc.com
  
  
  

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Re: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

2006-01-11 Thread John Scrivner
There are FAA guidelines about structures under 200 feet near airports 
but I have not searched for those guidelines. If you Google it and find 
anything of interest please feel free to pass along to the rest of us 
here. I remember something about allowing so many feet above AGL 
(Average Ground Level) for every mile from a runway.

Scriv


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*From:* JNA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:57 AM
*Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

Did anyone ever respond on this? I am interested as well.

Thanks,

John



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mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:44 PM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

Beside’s local regulations does the FAA/FCC have requirements on
the distance your tower is from the roads if it falls. I had
someone tell me today that a couple years ago they made a law that
if you had a 100’ tower it needed to be 150’ away from the road.
And they said that older towers would be grandfathered in.

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

114 S. Walnut St.

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405

www.wavelinc.com


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RE: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

2006-01-11 Thread Brian Webster
Scriv,
I used to conduct advanced FAA studies when I worked for a large tower
company. You can use the TOWAIR system on the FCC WTB website to get a rough
idea of the requirements near an airport but to get maximum heights there
are many factors mainly dealing with invisible surfaces that relate to
instrument approach procedures. They can get very complicated. Towair can
also give you false positive indications that you would need to light a
tower. This is mainly due to the fact that TOWAIR calculates the distance to
the airport reference point rather than the closest point to the actual ends
of the runway. While this is no big deal in most cases, it can be if you are
located close to the field. As a tower company we used to figure out the
best possible locations and heights using some great software from
www.airspaceusa.com. While the software is expensive for the casual user,
the owner Clyde Pitman can run studies for you. He is a retired FAA air
traffic controller and very knowledgeable on the subject. If anyone needs to
locate a tower near an airport feel free to get in touch with me and I'll
let you know all the tricks to get the maximum heights. Simple things like
level of survey certification can gain you up to 50 feet in additional
height allowed by the FAA.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com



-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:59 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations


There are FAA guidelines about structures under 200 feet near airports
but I have not searched for those guidelines. If you Google it and find
anything of interest please feel free to pass along to the rest of us
here. I remember something about allowing so many feet above AGL
(Average Ground Level) for every mile from a runway.
Scriv

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 *From:* JNA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *To:* 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:57 AM
 *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

 Did anyone ever respond on this? I am interested as well.

 Thanks,

 John

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 *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:44 PM
 *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

 Beside’s local regulations does the FAA/FCC have requirements on
 the distance your tower is from the roads if it falls. I had
 someone tell me today that a couple years ago they made a law that
 if you had a 100’ tower it needed to be 150’ away from the road.
 And they said that older towers would be grandfathered in.

 Kurt Fankhauser

 WAVELINC

 114 S. Walnut St.

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 419-562-6405

 www.wavelinc.com

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Re: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

2006-01-11 Thread Mario Pommier




That's what I had been told.
And even if there is an airport, I had heard that if your tower is not
along the line the airplanes use to land/take off, you're ok.
there are two local airports within 10 miles of my tower and the town
didn't say anything, and the faa friend of the engineer we work with
said we'd be ok.

Mario

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

  Sounds like I'll be fine cause there isn't an airport close to here.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:59 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

There are FAA guidelines about structures under 200 feet near airports 
but I have not searched for those guidelines. If you Google it and find 
anything of interest please feel free to pass along to the rest of us 
here. I remember something about allowing so many feet above AGL 
(Average Ground Level) for every mile from a runway.
Scriv

  
  
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*To:* 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:57 AM
*Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

Did anyone ever respond on this? I am interested as well.

Thanks,

John



  
  
  
  
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:44 PM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

Beside's local regulations does the FAA/FCC have requirements on
the distance your tower is from the roads if it falls. I had
someone tell me today that a couple years ago they made a law that
if you had a 100' tower it needed to be 150' away from the road.
And they said that older towers would be grandfathered in.

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

114 S. Walnut St.

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405

www.wavelinc.com



  
  
  
  
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RE: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

2006-01-11 Thread Rick Smith

There's a site somewhere buried inside the FCC tower search where you can input 
GPS coords, and it'll tell you whether you need
special FAA approval or not.

The way to FIND that search eludes me at the moment, though.

Sorry 

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Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:22 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

Sounds like I'll be fine cause there isn't an airport close to here.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:59 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

There are FAA guidelines about structures under 200 feet near airports but I 
have not searched for those guidelines. If you Google
it and find anything of interest please feel free to pass along to the rest of 
us here. I remember something about allowing so many
feet above AGL (Average Ground Level) for every mile from a runway.
Scriv

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 Did anyone ever respond on this? I am interested as well.

 Thanks,

 John




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 Beside's local regulations does the FAA/FCC have requirements on
 the distance your tower is from the roads if it falls. I had
 someone tell me today that a couple years ago they made a law that
 if you had a 100' tower it needed to be 150' away from the road.
 And they said that older towers would be grandfathered in.

 Kurt Fankhauser

 WAVELINC

 114 S. Walnut St.

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 419-562-6405

 www.wavelinc.com



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RE: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

2006-01-10 Thread JNA








Did anyone ever respond on this? I am
interested as well.



Thanks,

John













From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006
2:44 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Tower Height
Regulations





Besides local regulations does the FAA/FCC have
requirements on the distance your tower is from the roads if it falls. I had
someone tell me today that a couple years ago they made a law that if you had a
100 tower it needed to be 150 away from the road. And they said
that older towers would be grandfathered in.



Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

114 S. Walnut St.

Bucyrus, OH
 44820

419-562-6405

www.wavelinc.com










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