Re: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- big dumb pipe provider vs.end-to-end connectivity/content provider

2006-01-05 Thread Tom DeReggi

Charles,

Just to be clear, we don't currently block or slow anything. We don;t 
technically have a VOIP service of our own yet. I'm simply debating the 
options. I am using Commpartners as an example, only because I had recent 
discussions with them this past summer, and they are fresh in my mind, but I 
am not targeting Commpartners directly in any way.  My comments could apply 
to any VOIP wholesale provider, and should be interpreted as such.  Port 
blocking is a very touchy subject right now, and in my mind a very important 
one that may define the outcome of VOIP and relationships between partners. 
A VOIP offering will become a significant part of my business, as it will be 
for most others as well, and I need to have a clear plan of how I'm going to 
go about competing in the space.


Also on a side note, the reason I'm a little over POed on the Fee thing, was 
that I spent a month testing their service and negotiating terms and stuff. 
A whole marketing campaign was created around their service, lots of time 
spent. Then right after I got my first customer and signed the agreement and 
ready to fax it over, I saw the fine print that mentioned a $5000 fee, which 
I was never told about upfront or that was never mentioned once in our 
conversation over the month. So I got blind sided with the $5000 fee at the 
last minute. I thought they should have disclosed that to me before we 
started working with them, not a month later after the time was spent.  SO 
then I developed the high and mighty attitude, that why should I pay a fee, 
I probably had just got pretty close to costing me $5000 in time just 
building my marketing plan.  They should have waived it, at that point.  The 
must have figured I'd be more likely to pay it after spedning all the time. 
I don't like to be squeezed that way. And the more I thought about it I 
started to boil thinking over the situation.


I'm not really 100% sure what I believe yet on wether blocking should be 
done or not. But I don't like people that play that way. It reminds me of 
the high and might Covad, where what ever they say goes attitude.  We are 
really only going to get one choice to get VOIP legislation done right, the 
way thatwill benefit us all.  Wether the topic is what wholesale partners we 
should support, or wether its right to block traffic, the issues all apply 
to WISP's future of using VOIP.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 1:49 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- big dumb pipe provider 
vs.end-to-end connectivity/content provider



snip
performance to their VOIP servers over our network. Think about it, do you
think I'm going to allow the same performance to our competitive VOIP
provider as I do to our own VOIP services? By getting us to be a Partner for

them, we'd optimize them for our own benefit, and indirectly Comm Parnters
would guarantee that our network
/snip

Not that I'm trying to start anything...but this is pretty dangerous ground
to tread on
If you think about it, an argument can be made that preference of one's own
traffic (or depreffing competition traffic) is not that much different than

FCC fines telco for VoIP Port Blocking
http://informationweek.smallbizpipeline.com/60405214

SBC Says Google should pay to use our network
http://techdirt.com/articles/20051031/0354228_F.shtml

In a larger context, it may come down to a strategy of providing big dumb
pipes (like what the phone companies have done) or becoming end-to-end
connectivity/content companies (like what the cable-cos have done)

-Charles


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RE: [WISPA] VOIP / CommPartners -- big dumb pipe provider vs.end-to-end connectivity/content provider

2006-01-04 Thread Butch Evans

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Charles Wu wrote:

If you take this line reasoning a few iterations further, it can 
easily become a that @[EMAIL PROTECTED] competitor is riding my network for 
free to access my customers, so I'm just gonna cut them off type 
of discussion


Let me show you again what I responded to:


If you think about it, an argument can be made that preference of
one's own traffic (or depreffing competition traffic) is not that
much different than


You seem to be taking this beyond what anyone has stated.  There may 
be those that say the things that you claim above, however what you 
said was that ...preference of one's own traffic...is not that much 
different than... and you went on to show a link to a story that 
was NOT EVEN CLOSE to the same thing.  That is what I was pointing 
out.  Not your few iterations further argument (which, BTW, I 
think is out of proportion, too).  In other words, you are pointing 
out something to which I did not respond.  You are defending 
something I am not attacking.


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