Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis

2009-07-23 Thread Mike Hammett
bucket truck (I've seen them over 135'), telescoping tower, balloons  ;-)


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From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:23 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis

 Does anyone have a easy, inexpensive way to test a link before a tower
 is built?  RadioMobile link analysis says I can get backhaul to the
 potential location, but in my area trees are always a challenge.  I
 would like to test it now, while the trees are full, before I commit the
 money to build a tower.  I am looking at a 120' ANWireless tower, so I
 need to be able to test at 100+ feet.

 -- 
 Scott Reed
 Sr. Systems Engineer
 GAB Midwest
 1-800-363-1544 x4000
 Cell: 260-273-7239



 
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Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis

2009-07-17 Thread George Rogato


Scott Reed wrote:
 Does anyone have a easy, inexpensive way to test a link before a tower 
 is built?  RadioMobile link analysis says I can get backhaul to the 
 potential location, but in my area trees are always a challenge.  I 
 would like to test it now, while the trees are full, before I commit the 
 money to build a tower.  I am looking at a 120' ANWireless tower, so I 
 need to be able to test at 100+ feet.
 
Scott Reed
Sr. Systems Engineer
GAB Midwest
1-800-363-1544 x4000
Cell: 260-273-7239


Scott

I noticed in your signature that it says GAB Midwest.

Who is GAB Midwest?

Thanks
George




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Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis

2009-07-17 Thread Robert West
I used to use those 7 ft. helium balloons as advertising when I had another
business years ago.  They had pretty good lift!  Sounds like a good idea.
Not sure how you could test a full speed link with a dish but an Omni could
be put on it with a Mikrotik 411 board.  Then you could use cat5 riser cable
to tether it.  At least you could see a signal that way.  

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Behalf Of Aaron D. Osgood
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 9:51 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis

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Sent: Jul 17, 2009 09:30



Scott Reed wrote:
 Does anyone have a easy, inexpensive way to test a link before a tower 
 is built?  RadioMobile link analysis says I can get backhaul to the 
 potential location, but in my area trees are always a challenge.  I 
 would like to test it now, while the trees are full, before I commit the 
 money to build a tower.  I am looking at a 120' ANWireless tower, so I 
 need to be able to test at 100+ feet.
 
Scott Reed
Sr. Systems Engineer
GAB Midwest
1-800-363-1544 x4000
Cell: 260-273-7239


Scott

I noticed in your signature that it says GAB Midwest.

Who is GAB Midwest?

Thanks
George





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Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis

2009-07-17 Thread Aaron D. Osgood
We have used them for several projects. I have also used local Hot Air
Balloon firms with their tether system when I had to place heavier equipment
at a specific height for a short period of time. 

Aaron D. Osgood

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Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis

I used to use those 7 ft. helium balloons as advertising when I had another
business years ago.  They had pretty good lift!  Sounds like a good idea.
Not sure how you could test a full speed link with a dish but an Omni could
be put on it with a Mikrotik 411 board.  Then you could use cat5 riser cable
to tether it.  At least you could see a signal that way.  

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Aaron D. Osgood
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 9:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis
Sent: Jul 17, 2009 09:30



Scott Reed wrote:
 Does anyone have a easy, inexpensive way to test a link before a tower 
 is built?  RadioMobile link analysis says I can get backhaul to the 
 potential location, but in my area trees are always a challenge.  I 
 would like to test it now, while the trees are full, before I commit the 
 money to build a tower.  I am looking at a 120' ANWireless tower, so I 
 need to be able to test at 100+ feet.
 
Scott Reed
Sr. Systems Engineer
GAB Midwest
1-800-363-1544 x4000
Cell: 260-273-7239


Scott

I noticed in your signature that it says GAB Midwest.

Who is GAB Midwest?

Thanks
George





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Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis

2009-07-17 Thread Robert West
What are you putting on the smaller ones to test the link?



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Aaron D. Osgood
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:14 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis

We have used them for several projects. I have also used local Hot Air
Balloon firms with their tether system when I had to place heavier equipment
at a specific height for a short period of time. 

Aaron D. Osgood

Streamline Solutions L.L.C

P.O. Box 6115
Falmouth, ME 04105 

TEL: 207-781-5561
FAX: 207-781-8067
MOBILE: 207-831-5829
PAGE: 2078315...@vtext.com
AOLIM: OzCom1
ICQ: 206889374

aosg...@streamline-solutions.net
Blog: http://streamlinesolutionsllc.blogspot.com/
http://www.streamline-solutions.net
http://www.WMDaWARe.com

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:06 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis

I used to use those 7 ft. helium balloons as advertising when I had another
business years ago.  They had pretty good lift!  Sounds like a good idea.
Not sure how you could test a full speed link with a dish but an Omni could
be put on it with a Mikrotik 411 board.  Then you could use cat5 riser cable
to tether it.  At least you could see a signal that way.  

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Aaron D. Osgood
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 9:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis

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--Original Message--
From: George Rogato
Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
To: WISPA General List
ReplyTo: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis
Sent: Jul 17, 2009 09:30



Scott Reed wrote:
 Does anyone have a easy, inexpensive way to test a link before a tower 
 is built?  RadioMobile link analysis says I can get backhaul to the 
 potential location, but in my area trees are always a challenge.  I 
 would like to test it now, while the trees are full, before I commit the 
 money to build a tower.  I am looking at a 120' ANWireless tower, so I 
 need to be able to test at 100+ feet.
 
Scott Reed
Sr. Systems Engineer
GAB Midwest
1-800-363-1544 x4000
Cell: 260-273-7239


Scott

I noticed in your signature that it says GAB Midwest.

Who is GAB Midwest?

Thanks
George





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Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis

2009-07-17 Thread George Rogato
I have a 10'red balloon that we used to float a few years back for tower 
siting purposes.

I wasn't able get too much equipment on that balloon and expect it to float.

I tried it with an old map2 with rubber ducky and cat5 as the line and 
the balloon had a hard time rising.

The calculation is 1 gram of weight to 1 liter of helium.

You have to take into consideration the weight of the balloon and the 
weight of the rope. Cat is heavier than tether line.

Good news is, a set of binoculars lets you at least spot it which is 
what we ended up doing.

George






Robert West wrote:
 I used to use those 7 ft. helium balloons as advertising when I had another
 business years ago.  They had pretty good lift!  Sounds like a good idea.
 Not sure how you could test a full speed link with a dish but an Omni could
 be put on it with a Mikrotik 411 board.  Then you could use cat5 riser cable
 to tether it.  At least you could see a signal that way.  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Aaron D. Osgood
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 9:51 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis
 
 Balloon
 --Original Message--
 From: George Rogato
 Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 To: WISPA General List
 ReplyTo: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis
 Sent: Jul 17, 2009 09:30
 
 
 
 Scott Reed wrote:
 Does anyone have a easy, inexpensive way to test a link before a tower 
 is built?  RadioMobile link analysis says I can get backhaul to the 
 potential location, but in my area trees are always a challenge.  I 
 would like to test it now, while the trees are full, before I commit the 
 money to build a tower.  I am looking at a 120' ANWireless tower, so I 
 need to be able to test at 100+ feet.

 Scott Reed
 Sr. Systems Engineer
 GAB Midwest
 1-800-363-1544 x4000
 Cell: 260-273-7239
 
 
 Scott
 
 I noticed in your signature that it says GAB Midwest.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis

2009-07-17 Thread Eric Rogers
GAB - Great American Broadband

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Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 9:31 AM
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Scott Reed wrote:
 Does anyone have a easy, inexpensive way to test a link before a tower

 is built?  RadioMobile link analysis says I can get backhaul to the 
 potential location, but in my area trees are always a challenge.  I 
 would like to test it now, while the trees are full, before I commit
the 
 money to build a tower.  I am looking at a 120' ANWireless tower, so I

 need to be able to test at 100+ feet.
 
Scott Reed
Sr. Systems Engineer
GAB Midwest
1-800-363-1544 x4000
Cell: 260-273-7239


Scott

I noticed in your signature that it says GAB Midwest.

Who is GAB Midwest?

Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis

2009-07-17 Thread Steve Barnes
Yes Scott Reed personally operates a small WISP as well he does Engineer and 
Programming with Great American Broadband.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


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Scott Reed wrote:
 Does anyone have a easy, inexpensive way to test a link before a tower

 is built?  RadioMobile link analysis says I can get backhaul to the 
 potential location, but in my area trees are always a challenge.  I 
 would like to test it now, while the trees are full, before I commit
the 
 money to build a tower.  I am looking at a 120' ANWireless tower, so I

 need to be able to test at 100+ feet.
 
Scott Reed
Sr. Systems Engineer
GAB Midwest
1-800-363-1544 x4000
Cell: 260-273-7239


Scott

I noticed in your signature that it says GAB Midwest.

Who is GAB Midwest?

Thanks
George





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Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis

2009-07-17 Thread Scott Reed
Yep, that would be me.  My WISP is NewWays.

Steve Barnes wrote:
 Yes Scott Reed personally operates a small WISP as well he does Engineer and 
 Programming with Great American Broadband.

 Steve Barnes
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 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 9:31 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis



 Scott Reed wrote:
   
 Does anyone have a easy, inexpensive way to test a link before a tower
 

   
 is built?  RadioMobile link analysis says I can get backhaul to the 
 potential location, but in my area trees are always a challenge.  I 
 would like to test it now, while the trees are full, before I commit
 
 the 
   
 money to build a tower.  I am looking at a 120' ANWireless tower, so I
 

   
 need to be able to test at 100+ feet.

 
 Scott Reed
 Sr. Systems Engineer
 GAB Midwest
 1-800-363-1544 x4000
 Cell: 260-273-7239


 Scott

 I noticed in your signature that it says GAB Midwest.

 Who is GAB Midwest?

 Thanks
 George



 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis

2009-07-16 Thread lakeland
Rent a crane with a man basket.  Grab a pair of binoculars and go for the ride. 
 Should be able to do this in under 2 hours for about $500

Bob
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:23:38 
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Subject: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis


Does anyone have a easy, inexpensive way to test a link before a tower 
is built?  RadioMobile link analysis says I can get backhaul to the 
potential location, but in my area trees are always a challenge.  I 
would like to test it now, while the trees are full, before I commit the 
money to build a tower.  I am looking at a 120' ANWireless tower, so I 
need to be able to test at 100+ feet.

-- 
Scott Reed
Sr. Systems Engineer
GAB Midwest
1-800-363-1544 x4000
Cell: 260-273-7239




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Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis

2009-07-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
If you can find a way to get over the trees at one end, let up a large 
balloon on the other.

Make sure you pick a nice calm time to do this :-).

Good luck!
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:23 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis


 Does anyone have a easy, inexpensive way to test a link before a tower
 is built?  RadioMobile link analysis says I can get backhaul to the
 potential location, but in my area trees are always a challenge.  I
 would like to test it now, while the trees are full, before I commit the
 money to build a tower.  I am looking at a 120' ANWireless tower, so I
 need to be able to test at 100+ feet.

 -- 
 Scott Reed
 Sr. Systems Engineer
 GAB Midwest
 1-800-363-1544 x4000
 Cell: 260-273-7239



 
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Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis

2009-07-16 Thread RickG
Does he retn or own the ballon?

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:58 AM, NGLn...@ngl.net wrote:
 One of my customers uses a 7 ft balloon filled with helium with a remote
 control pan, tilt,  zoom plus a camera to do aerial photography. That would
 work.
 NGL

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 From: richard sterne wireless.r...@gmail.com
 Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:43 AM
 To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis

 Possible silly way. get model helecopter attach wireless cam and go up.

 Richard

 2009/7/16 lakel...@gbcx.net

 Rent a crane with a man basket.  Grab a pair of binoculars and go for the
 ride.  Should be able to do this in under 2 hours for about $500

 Bob
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net

 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:23:38
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Verify Link Analysis


 Does anyone have a easy, inexpensive way to test a link before a tower
 is built?  RadioMobile link analysis says I can get backhaul to the
 potential location, but in my area trees are always a challenge.  I
 would like to test it now, while the trees are full, before I commit the
 money to build a tower.  I am looking at a 120' ANWireless tower, so I
 need to be able to test at 100+ feet.

 --
 Scott Reed
 Sr. Systems Engineer
 GAB Midwest
 1-800-363-1544 x4000
 Cell: 260-273-7239




 
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