Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?
Johnny, There is nothing specific about my statement. I was talking about cash flow not compliance but I never mentioned either in my statement. That is where the assumption came in. This thread was brought about by the discussion as of late with some WISP's saying that they don't earn enough money to install another customer never mind the fact that the CALEA compliance solutions currently available are out of their price range. So this was not brought on by a discussion about whether or not they will comply with CALEA but that they don't have the cash flow. Regards, Dawn DiPietro JohnnyO wrote: Oh - why did I assume anything when you specifically said the following.. Marlon, **To be honest with you I think some WISP's are in over their heads at this point.** This is just an opportunity for them to get out gracefully if they choose to do so. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Dawn - this was started around the CALEA compliance issue... What would be a good opportunity for them to get out when the discussion is about Matt offering companies a way to sell out due to CALEA compliance JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] are you for sale? Johnny, I NEVER said anyone was in over their heads in regards to CALEA. I was talking in general. So don't go putting words into my mouth. What makes you think these companies won't be offered fair market value? Another assumption? Regards, Dawn DiPietro JohnnyO wrote: Dawn - the way I see it is that this is a way for a company with deep pockets to come in and buy up some companies at below market value. To use CALEA as a marketing tool for such is in my book completely out of line. Well I guess it isn't depending on who you are... NOONE is over their heads with CALEA at the moment. Jeeesh - let's let this play out before anyone goes on a doom and gloom campaign. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] are you for sale? Marlon, To be honest with you I think some WISP's are in over their heads at this point. This is just an opportunity for them to get out gracefully if they choose to do so. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Did you know that there has NEVER been a CALEA non compliance action? I can think of a lot of reasons to get out of the business but CALEA isn't even on the list let alone near the top. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] are you for sale? In discussions with others it has come to my attention that several companies are looking to exit the business for various reasons not the least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about exploring an exit, contact me offlist. I am interested in a variety of options from taking a controlling interest to an outright cash buyout. I don't want to sound like a vulture, but the CALEA deadline is coming fast and it will become increasingly difficult to sell a business that is not compliant after the deadline passes. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?
Agreed. That's different than a panic over CALEA brought on by all of the fear mongering and FUD though. Heck, if someone wants it bad enough I'd be happy to sell out! I'm pretty proud of what I've got going here though :-). Make that check out to cash and make it a big one Matt! grin laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] are you for sale? Marlon, To be honest with you I think some WISP's are in over their heads at this point. This is just an opportunity for them to get out gracefully if they choose to do so. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Did you know that there has NEVER been a CALEA non compliance action? I can think of a lot of reasons to get out of the business but CALEA isn't even on the list let alone near the top. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] are you for sale? In discussions with others it has come to my attention that several companies are looking to exit the business for various reasons not the least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about exploring an exit, contact me offlist. I am interested in a variety of options from taking a controlling interest to an outright cash buyout. I don't want to sound like a vulture, but the CALEA deadline is coming fast and it will become increasingly difficult to sell a business that is not compliant after the deadline passes. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?
My plans are filed. Kris is great! grin As for enforcement, we've been liable for a long time, just like the telcos. This is nothing new. I've spent a lot of time talking to the FBI head of CALEA. They know that we've been caught between a rock and a hard place here. They didn't make any effort to find us and get us up to speed etc. Yeah, I know the info was out there but how many knew anything about it? WISPA is working on a standard and other tools to help folks out here. There are people that can help you do an intercept right now. It might not be a perfect solution but there are things out there. Many of them aren't financially onerous either. Butch and Mike, feel free to step in with ideas here. Perhaps it's time to go over the ways that people can look for help on this issue??? laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] are you for sale? Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Oh brother. Did you know that there has NEVER been a CALEA non compliance action? I can think of a lot of reasons to get out of the business but CALEA isn't even on the list let alone near the top. Marlon Because only telcos were subject to CALEA - and all class 4/5 switches from the big vendors are tappable. The same can not be said of routers and other broadband gear and all VoIP gear. Also, BB CALEA has only been done at the Olympics by a special team. But MA activity has been increasing in the last few months - for many reasons. This would just be one more reason to sell - call it: not wanting to put up with the BS or the liability. Get those plans filed you have less than a week. - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?
Well Matt - not one of those people which would be me - will not ignore the fact of what you're stating is a valid reason for selling out due to Calea. I simply will voice my opinion on the matter. I am sure that more will agree vs. disagree with me that selling out your company due to a Calea hurdle is not a good reason to sell. And I really don't like seeing someone trying to come in and push a challenge that we're up against as a reason to sell. If you feel what I am saying doesn't hold water... then ignore me :) JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] are you for sale? JohnnyO wrote: Gloom and Doom - Interesting Tactic there Liotta.. Im sorry - but Calea is not a reason for anyone to sell their business. The Fat lady has not nor will not sing on this issue. Not sure how you can say what is and is not a valid reason for someone else to sell their business. Some people feel it is important to comply with CALEA, while others don't. I'm not interested in that debate. Simply put, I am aware that some people feel CALEA may put them out of business and would like to exit before then. If you are one of those people contact me. If you are not one of those people then simply ignore me. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?
JohnnyO wrote: Well Matt - not one of those people which would be me - will not ignore the fact of what you're stating is a valid reason for selling out due to Calea. I simply will voice my opinion on the matter. I never stated anything of the sort. What people decide to do with their business is their concern and not mine. If you are going to voice your opinion on a fact you should probably get the fact correct to start with. If someone wants to sell their business because of a bad hair day I don't mind talking to the person. I would mind if suddenly someone starting trying to argue that I am suggesting a bad hair day is a valid reason. I am sure that more will agree vs. disagree with me that selling out your company due to a Calea hurdle is not a good reason to sell. And I really don't like seeing someone trying to come in and push a challenge that we're up against as a reason to sell. I am not pushing anything. CALEA is a regulation put on businesses by the Government; not me. It's not my fault CALEA exists. Maybe you should spend your time helping all these companies worried about CALEA compliance as opposed to worrying about me. Clearly they can use your help since you don't seem to think CALEA is much a of hurdle. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?
Oh brother. Did you know that there has NEVER been a CALEA non compliance action? I can think of a lot of reasons to get out of the business but CALEA isn't even on the list let alone near the top. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] are you for sale? In discussions with others it has come to my attention that several companies are looking to exit the business for various reasons not the least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about exploring an exit, contact me offlist. I am interested in a variety of options from taking a controlling interest to an outright cash buyout. I don't want to sound like a vulture, but the CALEA deadline is coming fast and it will become increasingly difficult to sell a business that is not compliant after the deadline passes. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?
Marlon, To be honest with you I think some WISP's are in over their heads at this point. This is just an opportunity for them to get out gracefully if they choose to do so. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Did you know that there has NEVER been a CALEA non compliance action? I can think of a lot of reasons to get out of the business but CALEA isn't even on the list let alone near the top. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] are you for sale? In discussions with others it has come to my attention that several companies are looking to exit the business for various reasons not the least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about exploring an exit, contact me offlist. I am interested in a variety of options from taking a controlling interest to an outright cash buyout. I don't want to sound like a vulture, but the CALEA deadline is coming fast and it will become increasingly difficult to sell a business that is not compliant after the deadline passes. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?
Dawn - the way I see it is that this is a way for a company with deep pockets to come in and buy up some companies at below market value. To use CALEA as a marketing tool for such is in my book completely out of line. Well I guess it isn't depending on who you are... NOONE is over their heads with CALEA at the moment. Jeeesh - let's let this play out before anyone goes on a doom and gloom campaign. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] are you for sale? Marlon, To be honest with you I think some WISP's are in over their heads at this point. This is just an opportunity for them to get out gracefully if they choose to do so. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Did you know that there has NEVER been a CALEA non compliance action? I can think of a lot of reasons to get out of the business but CALEA isn't even on the list let alone near the top. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] are you for sale? In discussions with others it has come to my attention that several companies are looking to exit the business for various reasons not the least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about exploring an exit, contact me offlist. I am interested in a variety of options from taking a controlling interest to an outright cash buyout. I don't want to sound like a vulture, but the CALEA deadline is coming fast and it will become increasingly difficult to sell a business that is not compliant after the deadline passes. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Oh brother. Did you know that there has NEVER been a CALEA non compliance action? I can think of a lot of reasons to get out of the business but CALEA isn't even on the list let alone near the top. Marlon Because only telcos were subject to CALEA - and all class 4/5 switches from the big vendors are tappable. The same can not be said of routers and other broadband gear and all VoIP gear. Also, BB CALEA has only been done at the Olympics by a special team. But MA activity has been increasing in the last few months - for many reasons. This would just be one more reason to sell - call it: not wanting to put up with the BS or the liability. Get those plans filed you have less than a week. - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?
Johnny, I NEVER said anyone was in over their heads in regards to CALEA. I was talking in general. So don't go putting words into my mouth. What makes you think these companies won't be offered fair market value? Another assumption? Regards, Dawn DiPietro JohnnyO wrote: Dawn - the way I see it is that this is a way for a company with deep pockets to come in and buy up some companies at below market value. To use CALEA as a marketing tool for such is in my book completely out of line. Well I guess it isn't depending on who you are... NOONE is over their heads with CALEA at the moment. Jeeesh - let's let this play out before anyone goes on a doom and gloom campaign. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] are you for sale? Marlon, To be honest with you I think some WISP's are in over their heads at this point. This is just an opportunity for them to get out gracefully if they choose to do so. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Did you know that there has NEVER been a CALEA non compliance action? I can think of a lot of reasons to get out of the business but CALEA isn't even on the list let alone near the top. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] are you for sale? In discussions with others it has come to my attention that several companies are looking to exit the business for various reasons not the least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about exploring an exit, contact me offlist. I am interested in a variety of options from taking a controlling interest to an outright cash buyout. I don't want to sound like a vulture, but the CALEA deadline is coming fast and it will become increasingly difficult to sell a business that is not compliant after the deadline passes. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
