[WSG] missing menu: rendering bug in Firefox?

2006-01-28 Thread Roberto Gorjão
Olá a todos, In this page - http://www.ouronor.com/problems/maquete.htm - I have a semi-hidden menu (flash inside a div). This menu has only a visible tip which is right below the logo. If you press it, the menu slides down... well, it should, but Firefox (only in windows, curiously) is the

Re: [WSG] mailto: and email-subjects

2006-01-28 Thread heretic
Always use example.com, example.org or example.net in examples in the Heh I never knew about those! You learn something every day :) thanks! h -- --- http://www.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson

Re: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels

2006-01-28 Thread Rene Saarsoo
Well... I agree, that the proposed markup-structure would be semantically most correct: ol liItem 1 ul liAdd/li liEdit/li liDelete/li /ul ol liItem 1.1 ul liAdd/li liEdit/li liDelete/li /ul /li /ol

Re: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels

2006-01-28 Thread Bert Doorn
Rene Saarsoo wrote: Well... I agree, that the proposed markup-structure would be semantically most correct: ... But can you imagine working with that sort of list in a browser where stylesheets aren't available? For example in Lynx it would look something like the following: ... Whats so

[WSG] BLOCKQUOTE Problem

2006-01-28 Thread Paula Petrik
All right, this is probably a less than gripping question and more pertinent to academic writing. Nonetheless. The blockquote element requires that it enclose block level elements--in my case usually a p. Since blockquotes are usually in a run of text (#content p), it picks up the content

RE: [WSG] BLOCKQUOTE Problem

2006-01-28 Thread Ted Drake
Why are you using #blockquote? You can target paragraphs et al within a blockquote with descending selectors: blockquote p, blockquote a, blockquote cite, etc. I'm getting a bit tired of my over the top blockquotes: http://www.tdrake.net/durward-and-the-rocket/ But I have messed with some of

Re: [WSG] BLOCKQUOTE Problem

2006-01-28 Thread Paul Novitski
At 01:39 PM 1/28/2006, Paula Petrik wrote: The blockquote element requires that it enclose block level elements--in my case usually a p. Since blockquotes are usually in a run of text (#content p), it picks up the content p's line-height. But a blockquote, typographically speaking, should have a

RE: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels

2006-01-28 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rene Saarsoo Sent: Sunday, 29 January 2006 2:35 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels Whats so wrong with using good-old table... (skipped

RE: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels

2006-01-28 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bert Doorn Sent: Sunday, 29 January 2006 1:42 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels Rene Saarsoo wrote: Well... I agree, that the proposed

Re: [WSG] BLOCKQUOTE Problem (Solved)

2006-01-28 Thread Paula Petrik
Paul Ted, Many thanks! What was I thinking? And why did I make that thoughtless typing error--#blockquote? Best, Paula Paula Petrik Paula Petrik Professor Department of History Art History Associate Director Center for History New Media George Mason University

Re: [WSG] Google and HTML5

2006-01-28 Thread Ben Ward
On 1/26/06, Miika Mäkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian, that was my point... small atleast *sounds* presentational (thought it could indicate text that is less important) and that was why I wasn't happy to see it's included in HTML5...

Re: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels

2006-01-28 Thread Lea de Groot
On 29/01/2006, at 8:57 AM, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: [Add] [Edit] [Delete] Folder 1 [Add] [Edit] [Delete]SubFolder 1 [Add] [Edit] [Delete]SubFolder 2 [Add] [Edit] [Delete]SubSubFolder 1 [Add] [Edit] [Delete]SubSubFolder 2 [Add] [Edit] [Delete]

Re: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels

2006-01-28 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: Bert Doorn wrote: [ select category ] [ add ] [ edit ] [ delete ] You can have option groups in the select. Example: form action=whatever select name=product option value=Select Product/option optgroup label=Fruits

RE: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels

2006-01-28 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lachlan Hunt Sent: Sunday, 29 January 2006 10:16 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: Bert Doorn

Re: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels

2006-01-28 Thread Joshua Street
Select with Optgroups? Tables with (assuming two levels), a structure like this: tr th id=fruit colspan=2Fruit/thtdAdd/td tdEdit/td tdDelete/td /tr tr td/tdth headers=fruitApple/thtdAdd/td tdEdit/td tdDelete/td /tr etc? The other thing (this list is definitely the wrong place for me to say

Re: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels

2006-01-28 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Joshua Street wrote: The other thing (this list is definitely the wrong place for me to say this) is if this is for a content management system or the like, where the client's browsing capabilities are a well known quantity, What? How can you possibly assume that any user of a CMS will not

Re: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels

2006-01-28 Thread Joshua Street
Heh, as I said, wrong place to say this. I meant if the app were being developed for a specific client with specific (known) requirements/user environment. Obviously there's the hypothetical what if they hire someone who uses these technologies in the future who ends up needing to use the CMS,

Re: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels

2006-01-28 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: Although it's currently impossible with a normal select list, you can instead use radio buttons or checkboxes within nested lists. / Just fill that out with all the necessary attributes and values, then add some submit buttons for add, edit and delete. /

RE: [WSG] Google and HTML5

2006-01-28 Thread Nic
small may sound presentational because that's what it is in HTML4. But in HTML5 it refers to 'the small print' of a document, which is an entirely different use of text from a standard paragraph. The problem with that is that it *does* sound presentational and that people will just assume that

Re: [WSG] Google and HTML5

2006-01-28 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Nic wrote: What the WHATWG are doing which I think is clever, is they're reusing existing, meaningless presentational elements where they can. If I remember correctly, i has been re-specified too. Quite the contrary, it's asking for problems. Yes, I agree. Reusing presentational elements

RE: [WSG] Google and HTML5

2006-01-28 Thread Nic
How long have i and b been deprecated? They're not deprecated. Well, I'll be darned! I've been using em and strong for so long I'd come to believe i and b were deprecated... Thanks Lachlan, for setting me straight. I still won't use them though ;) rantAnd on a side rant, could people

Re: [WSG] Google and HTML5

2006-01-28 Thread Christian Montoya
On 1/28/06, Ben Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's all about separating _documents_ into component parts. There's nothing presentational about them: You have headers on letters, official documents and all sorts, thus there's now an element to identify that section of a document. Same for a

Re: [WSG] missing menu: rendering bug in Firefox?

2006-01-28 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
Get your code to validate then repost if it still happens. I notice about 40 errors when I ran it through. Joseph R. B. Taylor Sites by Joe, LLC http://sitesbyjoe.com (609)335-3076 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Roberto Gorjão wrote: Olá a todos, In this page -

Re: [WSG] Google and HTML5

2006-01-28 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Christian Montoya wrote: I think the W3C realized that a long time ago, and I think WhatWG will go at this for a couple more years and say, hey, this html thing just can't define everything, we need a technology that can support applications, one that allows developers to define their own

Re: [WSG] missing menu: rendering bug in Firefox?

2006-01-28 Thread Roberto Gorjão
Joseph, What kind of validator are you using...? I had only 4 warnings and those are now corrected. The page is considered valid both by the W3C validator and by the Tidy utility that comes with the WebDeveloper toolbar. Thank you. Roberto --- Joseph R. B. Taylor