[WSG] Do you still support 4.0 browsers?

2006-02-28 Thread Urbits - Info
If you go to the Australian Taxation Office's site you will find that if you want to download and use E Tax, that you have to use a Version 5 browser and above. Does it get worse.my word it does... it has to be IE If you want to use their electronic business access you have to use

[WSG] Online Store Categories

2006-02-28 Thread Josh Rose
Ok, I'm creating an online store for a client and they want a browseable list of the store categories, plus a small description of the category underneath each one.I was planning on using a definition list:dl dta href=""Category/a/dt ddCategory Description./dd /dlbut would a table

Re: [WSG] Online Store Categories

2006-02-28 Thread Darren West
I would say thats a perfect use for a definition list. Daz On 28/02/06, Josh Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I'm creating an online store for a client and they want a browseable list of the store categories, plus a small description of the category underneath each one. I was planning on

Re: Solution! RE: [WSG] form button css

2006-02-28 Thread Martin Heiden
Ted, Tuesday, February 28, 2006, 3:13:42 AM, you wrote: TD I'm using button with an image per Thierry's suggestion. I didn't want to TD use background image on an input because there are some browser TD inconsistencies and I didn't want to use an image in the input due to some TD accessibility

Re: [WSG] Online Store Categories

2006-02-28 Thread Ben Buchanan
I was planning on using a definition list: dl dta href=#Category/a/dt ddCategory Description./dd /dl but would a table be more appropriate? If that's all the info you need to include, I'd say a DL is perfect. cheers, Ben -- --- http://www.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's

[WSG] Intrapage-navigation and Jakob Nielsen

2006-02-28 Thread Keryx webb
Hello again! A few days ago there were some postings concerning Jakob Nielsens alertbox in which he condemned the use of intra-page links. http://www.useit.com/alertbox/within_page_links.html I wrote him the following feedback, slightly condensed: --- your article on intra-page links or at

Re: [WSG] Safari stylesheet switcher wierdness!

2006-02-28 Thread Felix Miata
On 06/02/27 07:35 Adam Morris apparently typed: http://www.megustalatelevision.com/uwish I'm trying to provide two versions: fixed and fluid. On FF everything is fine, IE not too sure about... but Safari..! On returning to fixed width after choosing the fluid version, all background

[WSG] Screen reader recommendations???

2006-02-28 Thread Michael Yeaney
Are there any recommendations for screen readers to test with I'd like to at least 'preview' what our site(s) sound like to such a user.Thanx...Mike

Re: [WSG] Screen reader recommendations???

2006-02-28 Thread Jon Gunderson
The main screen readers in the United States are: GW-Micro Windoweyes ($795) http://www.gwmicro.com/ JAWS for Windows ($1,395) http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/software_jaws.asp These have demo versions that run for 40 minutes and then you need to reboot your computer, if you want

Re: [WSG] Screen reader recommendations???

2006-02-28 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Hello Michael, Try the Opera 8.5 browser [1]. Sounds very much like the stand-alone products and it's very simple and convenient to use. Great test tool. [1] http://www.opera.com/ Sincerely, Mike Cherim http://green-beast.com/ http://accessites.org/ - Original Message - From:

Re: [WSG] Screen reader recommendations???

2006-02-28 Thread Ian Anderson
Michael Yeaney wrote: Are there any recommendations for screen readers to test with I'd like to at least 'preview' what our site(s) sound like to such a user. I don't know what country you're in, but in the UK, HAL from Dolphin is very popular. It's very similar to JAWS but a lot, lot

RE: [WSG] Screen reader recommendations???

2006-02-28 Thread Berman, Pamela E
There is also Fire Vox, a free screen reader extension created by Charles L. Chen for Firefox. It allows you to navigate from the headings list, links list, etc. which can give you a better understanding for how some screen readers operate apart from just reading the screen.

Re: [WSG] AIMIA Awards

2006-02-28 Thread Terrence Wood
On 28 Feb 2006, at 7:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 278 errors and 799 warnings on the index page alone. Provided you have javascript for the redirect into the cms =) AIMIA site aside, a quick look through some of the entrants is quite encouraging compared to some awards sites I've seen

Re: [WSG] Safari stylesheet switcher wierdness!

2006-02-28 Thread Adam Morris
I've given up and simply concerted the whole site to the fluid version!On 28/02/06, Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 06/02/27 07:35 Adam Morris apparently typed: http://www.megustalatelevision.com/uwish I'm trying to provide two versions: fixed and fluid. On FF everything is fine, IE not

RE: [WSG] Screen reader recommendations???

2006-02-28 Thread Jon Gunderson
There is also the Mozilla/Firefox accessibility extension that provides features for testing web resources for functional accessibility, including headers, links, form labels, frame labels, and table headers. Styling features to disable layout tables, disabling CSS styling and high contrast tyle

[WSG] Quick Site Check Please

2006-02-28 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
Greetings my friends, I'm hoping you Mac and Linux folks would be so kind as to take a look at this site on your system's browsers. It validates and renders correctly on FF 1.5, Opera 8.5 and IE 6.0. The only issue I discovered so far is a layout break when I zoom the text to unbelievable

Re: [WSG] Quick Site Check Please

2006-02-28 Thread Joshua Street
On 3/1/06, Joseph R. B. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It validates and renders correctly on FF 1.5, Opera 8.5 and IE 6.0. The only issue I discovered so far is a layout break when I zoom the text to unbelievable sizes in FF. Unbelievable sizes here being one step DOWN (decreasing font size)

Re: [WSG] Quick Site Check Please

2006-02-28 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
Office rats steal mice... My god, I never tried REDUCING the font size during testing! I tried adding some items to the #mainCol (the main column) such as min-width, width, block display, but it still breaks on the size reduction. Any ideas would be swell! http://cmcaor.sitesbyjoe.com/

[WSG] RE: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2006-02-28 Thread Hill, Tim
a href=#Back to Top/a Is there an issue with using this for screenreaders? Wouldn't they activate this link and nothing would happen? Does this work effectively across browsers to scroll the page to the top though? I've found it works on firefox, ie, opera on PC (winXP). Thanks, On

Re: [WSG] Do you still support 4.0 browsers?

2006-02-28 Thread Tom Worthington
On 2/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... would you try and support 4.0 browsers? Yes and No. You can get a long way by using a subset of XHTML 1.0 Strict and CSS. This will look pretty on modern browsers and still be usable on old browsers http://www.tomw.net.au/2005/wd/.

Re: [WSG] Quick Site Check Please

2006-02-28 Thread Bryan Brake
Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote: Office rats steal mice... My god, I never tried REDUCING the font size during testing! I tried adding some items to the #mainCol (the main column) such as min-width, width, block display, but it still breaks on the size reduction. Any ideas would be swell!

Re: [WSG] Linking to top of page

2006-02-28 Thread Paul Novitski
At 03:34 PM 2/28/2006, Hill, Tim wrote: a href=#Back to Top/a Is there an issue with using this for screenreaders? Wouldn't they activate this link and nothing would happen? Does this work effectively across browsers to scroll the page to the top though? I've found it works on firefox, ie,

Re: [WSG] RE: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2006-02-28 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Paul Novitski wrote: Wouldn't activating the link in a screen-reader simply move the cursor (reading point) from the link to the beginning of the page? It's been a while since I've sat down with a screen reader, but from my limited experience with JAWS the link would be announced as a same

Re: [WSG] Quick Site Check Please

2006-02-28 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
Same thing is happening on the PC. I have my nav text set to 1.0em. I have the height of each li set to 1.75em. I wrongly assumed that the li would expand along with the text since they both used ems for sizing... Joseph R. B. Taylor Sites by Joe, LLC http://sitesbyjoe.com (609)335-3076

Re: [WSG] Screen reader recommendations???

2006-02-28 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Michael Yeaney wrote: Are there any recommendations for screen readers to test with I'd like to at least 'preview' what our site(s) sound like to such a user. It's probably worth mentioning that unless you invest a considerable amount of time becoming familiar with a screen reader, and

Re: [WSG] Quick Site Check Please

2006-02-28 Thread piƱon jorge
Remove the height property altogether. There's no need for it. Just pad the a element and the li will expand. Also, there's extra, unnecessary CSS declarations in all the a pseudo-elements. Styling the a element by itself applies to all the pseudos as well so there's no need to repeat the

Re: [WSG] Quick Site Check Please

2006-02-28 Thread nic stage
On 2/28/06, Joseph R. B. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same thing is happening on the PC.I have my nav text set to 1.0em.I have the height of each li set to 1.75em.I wrongly assumed that the li would expand along with the text sincethey both used ems for sizing... i'm a bit of a newb here, but

Re: [WSG] Screen reader recommendations???

2006-02-28 Thread Mark Harris
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: It's probably worth mentioning that unless you invest a considerable amount of time becoming familiar with a screen reader, and use it just as a *real* screen reader user uses it, any testing may lead you to the wrong type of conclusion, or worse tempt you to optimise

Re: [WSG] Screen reader recommendations???

2006-02-28 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Mark Harris wrote: but quality testing can only come from one familiar with the tools. If you allow me to coin a phrase: quality testing can only come from quality testers (where, in case it doesn't translate too well from UK parlance, the second quality there is used as an adjective, as in