Re: [WSG] Divs for tabular data

2011-12-05 Thread David McKinnon
Thanks for the sanity check everyone :) I was worried that I'd missed something. I'd seen the YUI table module, thanks Ted, and I know of at least two jQuery plugins that do the same thing so yeah, I'm not sure why they wouldn't use one of those. They're saying it's faster to use divs compared t

[WSG] Desktop. Tablet. Mobile.

2011-12-05 Thread David Laakso
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Re: [WSG] Divs for tabular data

2011-12-05 Thread Ted Drake
I remember seeing this for the first time. I was asked by a backend engineer to help them fix a layout issue in a data table. When I looked at the source code, the page was a jumble of absolutely positioned cells to look like a data table. I shook my head and said he was on his own. I wasn't about

Re: [WSG] Divs for tabular data

2011-12-05 Thread Hassan Schroeder
On 12/4/11 11:22 PM, David McKinnon wrote: OK, so I'm working on a project in which the developers are laying out tabular data using divs. They say this is good because: 1. It's fast Compared to what? 2. They can manipulate the resulting DOM much more easily than they could with a tab

[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

2011-12-05 Thread Alan Whiteman
On Mon 05 Dec 2011 06:25:53 PM PST, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: David McKinnon Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 18:22

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[WSG] Accessible Slideshow

2011-12-05 Thread Web Dandy
Hi, Can anyone point me in the direction of an accessible slideshow which allows the incorporation of images and text together, still allows site visitors to view the slides if JS is not enabled and can be fully stylized via CSS? The slideshow needs to consist of a number of images each wit

Re: [WSG] Divs for tabular data

2011-12-05 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Tabular data should be marked up as actual tables. Anything else is a perversion of standards. Screenreaders, to take the technical extreme of the spectrum, have special controls and functionalities for users to navigate tables (moving between rows/columns directly, getting info on associated h

[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

2011-12-05 Thread dominic
Semantic mark-up --> tables for tabular data. On Dec 5, 2011 7:29 AM, wrote: > * > WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST > * > > > From: David McKinnon > Date: M

Re: [WSG] Divs for tabular data

2011-12-05 Thread Grant Bailey
David, I'm not sure about DOM issues but in my opinion, use of tables is consistent with accessibility and semantic requirements if an external style sheet is used to style the tabular data. Usually, some use of divs is required if you want to present the tabular data in a particular way. Re