Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-17 Thread Paul Connolley
On 16 Feb 2005, at 22:16, Dmitry Baranovskiy wrote: Actually " is an inch symbol. For quotes we should use #147; and #148; in normal text. ″ - The double prime. U+2033. The inch ′ - The prime. U+2032. The foot http://mathworld.wolfram.com/DoublePrime.html

Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-17 Thread Paul Connolley
Additionally: Taken from http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/intro/sgmltut.html which is an overview of looking at SGML Content model definitions The content model describes what may be contained by an instance of an element type. Content model definitions may include: The names of allowed or

RE: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-17 Thread Chris W. Parker
Paul Connolley mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:52 AM said: Emphasis on Document text - PCDATA. Text **may** contain character references. This doesn't imply that all of the four main html entities have to be encoded (, , , and ). Note this document originally

Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-17 Thread Kornel Lesinski
I've just asked the W3C Validator. Test based on XHTML Strict. PCDATA, document text (plike that/p): allows '' and '' everywhere, allows, but warns about '' with non-letter after it (' ', 'tag', '123', '# ' are fine), does not allow '' followed by a letter. CDATA, attribute text (a href=this

[WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-16 Thread Chris W. Parker
Hello, Is there a reason I should be using quot; (or any other HTML entity) within regular tags like p, hx, li, etc.? I know I have to use them when they are to be displayed within a form field but within regular copy I'm not seeing it as necessary. What is the consesus on this? Thanks,

Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-16 Thread Alan Trick
I don't know about quot; but if you use instead of amp; it will break your xml pages (i.e. a href='some.com/page.php?a=bc=d' *must* be a href='some.com/page.php?a=bamp;c=d' in xml) -Alan Trick Chris W. Parker wrote: Hello, Is there a reason I should be using quot; (or any other HTML entity)

Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-16 Thread David R
Chris W. Parker wrote: Hello, Is there a reason I should be using quot; (or any other HTML entity) within regular tags like p, hx, li, etc.? I know I have to use them when they are to be displayed within a form field but within regular copy I'm not seeing it as necessary. What is the consesus on

RE: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-16 Thread Chris W. Parker
David R mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 11:58 AM said: you /might/ get away with using it insice body text: phello, he said hello to me yesterday/p Yes that's what I'm referring to. But officially when isn't being used to delimit attribute values it must be

Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-16 Thread David R
But officially when isn't being used to delimit attribute values it must be written in entity form: quot; Reference? My bad... XHTML1.1 derives from XHTML1.0 Strict which derives from HTML4.01 Strict ...Which mentions this about quote entities: ---

Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-16 Thread Dmitry Baranovskiy
Actually is an inch symbol. For quotes we should use #147; and #148; in normal text. -- Best regards, Dmitry Baranovskiy ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some

RE: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-16 Thread Chris W. Parker
Dmitry Baranovskiy mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:16 PM said: Actually is an inch symbol. For quotes we should use #147; and #148; in normal text. Interesting point. Chris. ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-16 Thread Rene Saarsoo
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:16:09 +1100, Dmitry Baranovskiy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually is an inch symbol. For quotes we should use #147; and #148; in normal text. And when you have already this far, I would say, *free your mind from eight bit* and use unicode :) (Takes less space and is

Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-16 Thread Paul Novitski
At 02:16 PM 2/16/2005, Dmitry Baranovskiy wrote: Actually is an inch symbol. For quotes we should use #147; and #148; in normal text. I thought #147; and #147; were deprecated in HTML4. I use: #8216; = left single quote #8217; = right single quote (apostrophe) #8220; = left double quote #8221;

Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-16 Thread David R
I thought #147; and #147; were deprecated in HTML4. I use: #8216; = left single quote #8217; = right single quote (apostrophe) #8220; = left double quote #8221; = right double quote etc. See http://www.ascii.cl/htmlcodes.htm Doesn't this go against the semantics of XHTML? Use of entities in

Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-16 Thread Roger Johansson
On 17 feb 2005, at 03.14, David R wrote: I mean, provided you send the document from the server as unicode, why must we resort to entities for non-reserved characters? You don't. If you use unicode, you don't have to use character references. /Roger