Re: [WSG] embedding flash in html5 - alternative content

2011-05-13 Thread designer
Thanks Henrik, but the trouble here is that classid is deprecated in html5 and it won't validate. . . Bob - Original Message - From: Henrik Madsen To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] embedding flash in html5 - alternative

Re: [WSG] embedding flash in html5 - alternative content

2011-05-13 Thread Micky Hulse
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 3:34 AM, designer desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk wrote: Thanks Henrik, but the trouble here is that classid is deprecated in html5 and it won't validate. . . SWFObject WIKI page: SWFObject 2 and HTML5 http://code.google.com/p/swfobject/wiki/html5 If you find any

[WSG] embedding flash in html5 - alternative content

2011-05-11 Thread designer
I wondered if any of you who use Flash would indicate how you approach the provision of alternative content when embedding the swf file in html5. The basic use of embed: embed src=mainmenu/mainopening.swf type=application/x-shockwave-flash width=497 height=329/ is simplicity itself, but how

Re: [WSG] embedding flash in html5 - alternative content

2011-05-11 Thread Henrik Madsen
http://code.google.com/p/swfobject/ Henrik Madsen +61 08 9387 1250 hen...@igenerator.com.au www.igenerator.com.au On 11/05/2011, at 5:04 PM, designer wrote: I wondered if any of you who use Flash would indicate how you approach the provision of alternative content when embedding the swf

Re: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-29 Thread Albert Gedraitis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, Sep-21-2004 12:29 PM Subject: [WSG] Embedding Flash Hi, Can anyone recommend a way of embedding flash in a xhtml strict page? I've tried the flash javay and flash satay methods detailed at alistapart.com but they both seem to have issues, namely in some

Re: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-29 Thread Albert Gedraitis
My browser Safari 1.2.3 works just fine with Flash embed apparently in Satay context. I also had no trouble getting a live Flash with Macromedia default, Flash Satay, and Hixie as per Mark's chart/s. I must have a Mystical, Magical Mystery iMac (Summer 2000), OS X3.4 Albert On Sep 22, 2004, at

Re: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-29 Thread Albert Gedraitis
Ian Your site, House Doctor, is working well in its Flash features, both the moving hand in the clock (ad) and the pix-rotation portrait. I'm working my way up the backlog I've accumulated on this Flash Embed thread, so my sends may seem to arrive out of a time warp. Oh yeah, I'm on Safari

Re: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-29 Thread Albert Gedraitis
Rimantas - I'm hoping that, along with classitis and divitis, you are not also excluding gedraitis. Yrs, Albert -- On Sep 23, 2004, at 8:26 PM, Rimantas Liubertas wrote: And yes, validation beauty is only skin deep. I will

RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-24 Thread David McKinnon
] On Behalf Of James Ellis Sent: Friday, 24 September 2004 1:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Embedding Flash David McKinnon wrote: I've used Ian Hixie's method, because it seems to be the least problematic. David One of the central tenets of good coding is that comments

RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Ian Fenn
James wrote: I found the Flash satay markup worked fine on every browser I tested on with every Flash player version I could find. Unfortunately that's not my experience. :-( All the best, -- Ian ** The discussion list for

RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Ian Fenn
I wrote: Unfortunately it seems the best solution is to use JavaScript to detect the existence (and correct version) of flash and then use document.write to deliver the appropriate object or embed. Only safari seems to have a problem. Actually it looks like I got that wrong. Safari is

RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Ian Fenn
Mark wrote: Unless there is a major reason to be XHTML then I normally use HTML 4.01 - even if only on the pages with flash included. That's what I'm going to do now :-( Thanks for the help everyone! All the best, -- Ian ** The discussion

RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Mike Foskett
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] site: http://www.webSemantics.co.uk /marquee/blink -Original Message- From: Ian Fenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 September 2004 11:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash Mark wrote: Unless there is a major reason to be XHTML then I

RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Ian Fenn
Hi Mike, Just checked it in: PC: Opera v7, Firefox v1, IE v6. Mac: Safari v1, firefox v1, Netscape v7, IE v5.2 All displayed just fine. Great - many thanks! I'd remind you to replace some of the alt tags though (intro1.jpg etc). The client controls those. I'll remind them to make their

RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Patrick Lauke
I'd remind you to replace some of the alt tags though (intro1.jpg etc). The client controls those. I'll remind them to make their alt tags accessible. They're attributes...ATTRIBUTES...not tags! Sorry, bit of a rant. Feel better now ;) Patrick

RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Ian Fenn
Patrick wrote: The client controls those. I'll remind them to make their alt tags accessible. They're attributes...ATTRIBUTES...not tags! I know that... You know that... but to a client, they're alt tags :-) All the best, -- Ian **

RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread David McKinnon
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Foskett Sent: Friday, 24 September 2004 12:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash Just checked it in: PC: Opera v7, Firefox v1, IE v6. Mac: Safari v1, firefox v1, Netscape v7, IE v5.2 All displayed just fine. I'd remind you

Re: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Kevin Futter
it works even if it doesn't validate. No, not the torch! Arrgh! David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Foskett Sent: Friday, 24 September 2004 12:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash Just

Re: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:43:31 +1000, Kevin Futter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thoroughly agree with David here. Web standards are a means to an end and not an end in themselves. The way I see it, the point of web standards is to a) separate form from content and both from behaviour; b) make all

Re[2]: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Ric Shreves
Hello Rimantas, Well said and, IMHO, absolutely correct. -- Best regards, Ric Water Stone mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] visit our sites: www.waterandstone.com www.researchlaunchpad.com www.balitravelportal.com Friday, September 24, 2004, 8:26:21 AM, you

RE: Re[2]: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Ian Fenn
Ric wrote: Hello Rimantas, Well said and, IMHO, absolutely correct. Anyone notice Zeldman's recently announcement of happycog's redesign of the KC Chiefs site? He wrote that the website is standards-compliant but added a disclaimer that read: Attention XHTML nit-pickers: We are still in the

Re: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Ian Fenn wrote: I wrote: Anyone notice Zeldman's recently announcement Sorry for the typo. It's 2.40am here in the UK. Time to get some shut-eye. Kids nowadays...no staying power. ;) Patrick _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used

RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Ian Fenn
Patrick wrote: Kids nowadays...no staying power. ;) Don't be so sure ;-) -- Ian ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration,

RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Greer, Ben
This thread has been a bit of deja vu for me. I have been discussing this problem with an external developer who uses Satay, who doesn't seem to believe that it is flaky. He has tested it across many browsers/OS's and hasn't seen the problem, and therefore had difficulty believing there is a prob.

RE: Re[2]: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread David McKinnon
used the word Zeldmanning. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Fenn Sent: Friday, 24 September 2004 11:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[2]: [WSG] Embedding Flash Ric wrote: Hello Rimantas, Well said and, IMHO, absolutely

Re: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread James Ellis
David McKinnon wrote: I've used Ian Hixie's method, because it seems to be the least problematic. David One of the central tenets of good coding is that comments are for comments, code is for code. It's bad practice to put code into comments. Comments should not be interpreted by any software,

RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-21 Thread Greer, Ben
in the original Satay article on ALA, where others have found this problem. Ben. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Johan Steenkamp Sent: Tuesday, 21 September 2004 3:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Embedding Flash I used

RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-21 Thread Greer, Ben
Forgot to mention, I have seen it fail with the empty text box on IE6 as well (not on the page mentioned below, but on our testing of Satay). Ben. I used the Satay method on this page which validates to XHTML Strict. Works in IE, FireFox, Netscape 7.2, Opera 7.x on Win - not sure about other

RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-21 Thread Johan Steenkamp
Thanks for the feedback. Not great if it is not reliable across same system configs. Johan Original Message From: Greer, Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, Sep-21-2004 6:07 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash Forgot to mention, I have seen

RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-21 Thread Greer, Ben
Actually its worse than that - I didn't see this myself, but heard second hand that on a machine where it didn't work they re-installed Flash, and it started working fine. Some time later (after a reboot as far as I know), the page started failing again. So not only not non-reproducable across

[WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-20 Thread Ian Fenn
Hi, Can anyone recommend a way of embedding flash in a xhtml strict page? I've tried the flash javay and flash satay methods detailed at alistapart.com but they both seem to have issues, namely in some browsers nothing is displayed... not the flash... nor the back-up image? Is there are

RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-20 Thread David McKinnon
Sent: Tuesday, 21 September 2004 10:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Embedding Flash Hi, Can anyone recommend a way of embedding flash in a xhtml strict page? I've tried the flash javay and flash satay methods detailed at alistapart.com but they both seem to have issues, namely in some

Re: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-20 Thread Johan Steenkamp
Fenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, Sep-21-2004 12:29 PM Subject: [WSG] Embedding Flash Hi, Can anyone recommend a way of embedding flash in a xhtml strict page? I've tried the flash javay and flash satay methods detailed at alistapart.com but they both seem to have

Re: [WSG] embedding flash in xhtml

2004-05-22 Thread Michal Willemot
On Sat, 22 May 2004 05:13:05 +, robert e. lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know there must be a cure for my problem... indeed there is: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay/ and http://www.ambience.sk/flash-valid.htm describe two techniques to have flash validated. I've only used the

[WSG] embedding flash in xhtml

2004-05-21 Thread robert e. lee
I have a problem with my xhtml page which has a flash movie. When validating I have found a bit of an anomoly. I have used object etc to embed it on the page and it will validate as xhtml 1.0 strict. Then I found that it does not display the flash movie in Netscape?! Very odd. So I put the