Re: [WSG] doctypes, quirks/standards mode and positioning

2004-10-04 Thread JonathanC
Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/10/2004 10:54:20 AM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, Consider this very simple HTML document: ... How could leaving out the doctype make such a definite difference to such a simple page? The crucial part of my answer was: If you know for

RE: [WSG] doctypes, quirks/standards mode and positioning

2004-10-04 Thread Peter Goddard
Title: RE: [WSG] doctypes, quirks/standards mode and positioning Dear Johnathan I would recommend you read this short article. http://www.alistapart.com/articles/doctype/ IMHO the setting of a DOCTYPE is an essential step in the migration to standards based web development. You have

RE: [WSG] doctypes, quirks/standards mode and positioning

2004-10-04 Thread Martin J. Lambert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the clarification. However, I still don't understand WHY a page requires a doctype declaration (in my case HTML 4.0 transitional) just to make a font-size style cascade from body through to td. I believe it's simply that quirks mode follows older browser

RE: [WSG] doctypes, quirks/standards mode and positioning

2004-10-04 Thread JonathanC
Peter Goddard wrote on 04/10/2004 11:10:07 PM: I would recommend you read this short article. http://www.alistapart.com/articles/doctype/ IMHO the setting of a DOCTYPE is an essential step in the migration to standards based web development. You have a valid point that if you want to

RE: [WSG] doctypes, quirks/standards mode and positioning

2004-10-04 Thread JonathanC
Martin J. Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/10/2004 11:28:07 PM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the clarification. However, I still don't understand WHY a page requires a doctype declaration (in my case HTML 4.0 transitional) just to make a font-size style cascade from body

RE: [WSG] doctypes, quirks/standards mode and positioning

2004-10-03 Thread JonathanC
Of Nando Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 8:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] doctypes, quirks/standards mode and positioning I'll be reworking the markup and the layout approach they've used ... it's just that i anticipate they'll have a reason for using the doctype ... cuz

Re: [WSG] doctypes, quirks/standards mode and positioning

2004-10-03 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, Consider this very simple HTML document: ... How could leaving out the doctype make such a definite difference to such a simple page? The crucial part of my answer was: If you know for sure that the markup *is going to be invalid* The example you provide is of valid

RE: [WSG] doctypes, quirks/standards mode and positioning

2004-10-01 Thread Chris Rizzo
, September 30, 2004 8:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] doctypes, quirks/standards mode and positioning I'll be reworking the markup and the layout approach they've used ... it's just that i anticipate they'll have a reason for using the doctype ... cuz it doesn't jump up

Re: [WSG] doctypes, quirks/standards mode and positioning

2004-09-30 Thread Neerav
The rule of thunb is that if you're going to use XHTML, than you have to get it 100% correct because XHTML is much more strict and unforgiving of little errors than html 4 so go for html 4 transitional validation if the clients tables will always be invalid Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au

Re: [WSG] doctypes, quirks/standards mode and positioning

2004-09-30 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Neerav wrote: so go for html 4 transitional validation if the clients tables will always be invalid If you know for sure that the markup is going to be invalid, why bother with a doctype at all? It's a bit like putting a may contain nuts sticker on a bag of peanuts... Patrick H. Lauke

RE: [WSG] doctypes, quirks/standards mode and positioning

2004-09-30 Thread David McKinnon
The argument I was swayed by was that XHTML was more future-proof, since in the future everyone will use XML (and drive atomic cars). This means that the designer coming after me won't have to do as much work to do on the next redesign (which is especially good if I'm the next designer). I

Re: [WSG] doctypes, quirks/standards mode and positioning

2004-09-30 Thread Nando
I'll be reworking the markup and the layout approach they've used ... it's just that i anticipate they'll have a reason for using the doctype ... cuz it doesn't jump up there by itself, that i'll need to intelligently and authoritively discuss with them. Much of the code is actually generated out