Peter Firminger wrote:
[verdana]
It won't ever bother the users that hate the font so much they remove it
from their system. That's their choice.
On the contrary. Because authors using Verdana as primary size according
to their own taste for the giant font, when people without it see the
So you're saying we should all just use black default font on white pages
then? Not going to happen!
It's a pathetic argument Felix. Really not worth bothering with.
Peter
On the contrary. Because authors using Verdana as primary
size according
to their own taste for the giant font, when
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Cb2 Web Design wrote:
I tend to agree with such suggestion: applying a percentage in the body
and
then work with the remaining sizes in ems.
I have done that in here
When you make both height and width 76.1% of the default, the result is
less than 58% of the original.
But in the end, it seems to me the user gets the same font size as if
'body
{font-size: 100%;}, given that all the other font-sizes are set above 1em
for regular paragraphs and above 0.9em
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I've decided to stick with Verdana (_)
The world shall have Verdana. Heaven forbid any mere mortal user gets to
see the default he selected.
If you visit www.cabotconsultants.com.au
It'd be nice if people would provided a URL, something *everyone* could
click on to
This is my list of cross platform fonts (Mac PC). It may not be in
line with most, ...but what to he!! -chuck
Arial
'Arial Black'
'Comic Sans MS'
'Courier New'
Georgia
Helvetica
Hobo
Impact
Stencil
Symbol
'Times New Roman'
'Trebuchet MS'
Verdana
Webdings
=
On
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www.cabotconsultants.com.au is fine as a web addy I think. If there is
not 'http://', 'ftp://', or whatever one usually assumes http but you
don't need to type it.
The small attachment should show the difference. You come here asking
for help. Don't make it harder
I've looked at these links earlier and my point was *phew* here we go
AGAIN...
Verdana is POPULAR! Most people have that. Arial is probably more popular,
so that is next in line as a backup. I understand that they are different
fonts, and I also understand that there are fonts that closer
I thought this thread was closed by Russ??
Guys, if you do want to keep fighting a never ending argument, please
take it off the list.
Thanks
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On Tuesday 23 March 2004 09:08, Neerav wrote:
2. I'd be happy with +- 25%
I tend to agree - I'm a fan of the
p, .etc
{
font-size: 0.75em;
line-height 1.5;
}
... combination. It's roomy and easy to read, especially when used in
conjunction with Georgia or Verdana.
While
On Tuesday 23 March 2004 15:55, Lorenzo Gabba | Quirk wrote:
I tend to agree - I'm a fan of the
p, .etc
{
font-size: 0.75em;
line-height 1.5;
}
I forgot to mention that it's probably a good idea (from a usability POV) to
declare:
body {font-size: 100%;} /* user defined
Font size is a hotly debated topic. At one extreme of the font size debate
are accessibility purists who believe that web designers and developers
should not touch default font size at all [1],[2], and at the other extreme
you have the pixel-perfect web designers setting absolute pixel sizes on
Maxine Sherrin wrote:
Have just started major site overhaul at www.westciv.com ...
1. I want people to be able to read the text on my page, but I also
want it to look stylish and not bulky
You don't know whether it looks bulky to me until you look at my PC
display. If it looks bulky to
Russ
So, is there are middle ground between absolute font sizing and no
resizing
at all? I reckon the answer (and happy to be persuaded otherwise), is
relative font sizing.
And I'd take Russ' advise one step further by adding that relative
positioning and sizing for the layout also would be
On a website I've recently developed (www.cabotconsultants.com.au) I opted
for this...
p.body {
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: x-small;
color: #036;
margin-left: 18px;
margin-right: 18px;
line-height: 2;
}
I found it's clean and clear. Just
as always when in doubt ask Russ :-)
http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/relative/
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On a website I've recently developed (www.cabotconsultants.com.au) I opted
for this...
p.body {
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: x-small;
a!! thank you, didn't see this article
as always when in doubt ask Russ :-)
http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/relative/
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On a website I've recently developed (www.cabotconsultants.com.au) I
opted
for this...
p.body {
font-family: Verdana, Arial,
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On a website I've recently developed
Well... I'm new to this and it took me a long time to get that website w3c
xhmtl strict compliant!!! *phew*
I know the CSS leaves a lot to be desired. I'm in the process now of
rewriting it. I'll use a percentage on the body as suggested... and...
then I use percentage on p and h1, h2, etc? OR if
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On a website I've recently
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On a website I've recently developed (www.cabotconsultants.com.au) I opted
for this...
p.body {
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: x-small;
line-height: 2;
}
I found it's clean and clear.
Is your monitor huge, or your
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On a website I've recently developed (www.cabotconsultants.com.au) I
opted
for this...
p.body {
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: x-small;
color: #036;
margin-left: 18px
Thanks for the feed back!
I've tested the webpage on 3 differnet monitor on anything from 800X600 up.
I've also tested it in Netscape, IE, Opera and FireFox. I noticed the
Gecko browsers did display the font fairly small. I chose Verdana as it is
very clean for both print and display. I also
printing fonts
and so forth with this.
http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_mediatypes.asp
I hope this link to w3schools is of help.
Steven Clark
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The x-small and others are refered to as absolute-size keywords
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/fonts.html#font-size-props
However, x-small will vary from browser
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I've tested the webpage on 3 differnet monitor on anything from 800X600 up.
I've also tested it in Netscape, IE, Opera and FireFox. I noticed the
Gecko browsers did display the font fairly small.
If you are on windoze and seeing Gecko at default 16px rendering these
margins, specific printing fonts
and so forth with this.
http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_mediatypes.asp
I hope this link to w3schools is of help.
Steven Clark
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your font size is fine, not too small.
Steven Clark
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:20:52 -0500
Cb2 Web Design wrote:
I tend to agree
Wow I wasn't aware of this! thanks for the link. Just out of curiosity...
would you know the percentage of pcs without verdana? I mean, is it on mac
etc? I like the font so much(_)
would it be worth converting to arial? for the sake of i dunno 5%??? and
even if they don;t have verdana, although
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Wow I wasn't aware of this! thanks for the link. Just out of curiosity...
would you know the percentage of pcs without verdana? I mean, is it on mac
etc? I like the font so much(_)
Any time Verdana is actually set to a size big enough to read, it's
large relative
Mark Stanton wrote:
When the page specifies 'verdana, arial, helvetica,
sans-serif', such people almost never get to see their preference.
...unless they are using user style sheets, then they get to see whatever
they want...
Theoretically. The problem is the majority of sites use such
At this point, in regards to CSS - and the world in general - I feel like interjecting the old chestnut you can't please all of the people all of the time ...
On 24/03/2004, at 4:31 PM, Mark Stanton wrote:
When the page specifies 'verdana, arial, helvetica,
sans-serif', such people almost
is 'Times
New Roman' ugly sites??
Steven Clark
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:31:28 +1100
When the page specifies 'verdana, arial, helvetica,
sans-serif
*phew* ain't that true!!
I'm considering changing the fonts for my website's CSS to arial... maybe.
I still like verdana, I'm so stubborn (_) I don't think either of
these font are really offending to anyone. Maybe if I was considering some
crazy artistic font it could annoy some viewers. I
here here!! I agree wholeheartedly, perfection doesn't exist and someone
will always whine they don't like what I've done. We simply do our best i
guess
Steven Clark
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Hi Darian,
I'm considering changing the fonts for my website's CSS to
arial... maybe.
I wouldn't bother. Verdana is perfectly acceptable with the Arial,
Sans-serif backup.
I still like verdana, I'm so stubborn (_) I don't think either of
these font are really offending to anyone. Maybe if
1. I always set font sizes as a %, this way people can easily use their
browsers font controls to increase/decrease the size to improve
legibility eg: in Firefox pressing CTRL and + or CTRL and -
2. I'd be happy with +- 25%
3. re: fixing font size. As someone who wears glasses and has designed
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