Re: [WSG] When bugs become patterns - A look at CSS Hacks

2005-10-05 Thread Thierry Koblentz
James Ellis wrote: >>> Conditional statements in HTML such as those used by IE/Windows are >>> a slippery slope and they seriously break a central tenet of >>> programming. They are contained with and >>> comments in code are not meant to be parsed as code. It's just plain >>> badness. >> >> I don

Re: Re: [WSG] When bugs become patterns - A look at CSS Hacks

2005-10-05 Thread Thierry Koblentz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I have taken the decision to step away from this weird possibility of > IE ... simply because I do not want to be obliged, in a year or two, > to change a bulk of web sites built on that feature. Pat, As long as the vector version in the conditional expression does not t

Re: [WSG] When bugs become patterns - A look at CSS Hacks

2005-10-05 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Paul Sturgess wrote: > I've found I can't take advantage of conditional comments as the stand > alone versions of old ie browsers i have don't support them, they all > think they are ie6! You can tweak the registry to fix that: http://labs.insert-title.com/labs/article809.aspx If you don't want t

RE: Re: [WSG] When bugs become patterns - A look at CSS Hacks

2005-10-05 Thread patboens
I am also a bit late in the process of giving my humble advice on this thread. Being a C programmer for almost 20 years, I would like to cover my developer's hat for a few minutes. I strongly discourage using comments to obtain ... "conditional compilation/interpretation". In many languages, su

Re: [WSG] When bugs become patterns - A look at CSS Hacks

2005-10-05 Thread Paul Sturgess
I've found I can't take advantage of conditional comments as the stand alone versions of old ie browsers i have don't support them, they all think they are ie6! Doing some research into this to, mostly because I wanted to avoid the * html selector, I came across this fantastic article: http://www.

Re: [WSG] When bugs become patterns - A look at CSS Hacks

2005-10-05 Thread James Ellis
Hi This is a bit late, the internet broke for me for the last few days...On 9/30/05, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:James Ellis wrote:> Conditional statements in HTML such as those used by IE/Windows are a > slippery slope and they seriously break a central tenet of> programming. The

Re: [WSG] When bugs become patterns - A look at CSS Hacks

2005-09-29 Thread Alan Trick
I think the future of CSS is not in hack or in conditional comments but in using standard CSS. At the current time this isn't really possible because of Internet Explorer, but from what I've heard about IE7 they plan to do a fair amount of fixing up. Things won't be perfect and support for nice stu

Re: [WSG] When bugs become patterns - A look at CSS Hacks

2005-09-29 Thread Thierry Koblentz
James Ellis wrote: > Conditional statements in HTML such as those used by IE/Windows are a > slippery slope and they seriously break a central tenet of > programming. They are contained with and > comments in code are not meant to be parsed as code. It's just plain > badness. I don't follow you h

Re: [WSG] When bugs become patterns - A look at CSS Hacks

2005-09-29 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
James Ellis wrote: comments in code are not meant to be parsed as code. ... > What happens if someone adds a comment that happens to be parsed by some piece of software? the software then goes on and does some unexpected things. Then the software is broken, i.e. it does not adhere to spec. A

Re: [WSG] When bugs become patterns - A look at CSS Hacks

2005-09-29 Thread James Ellis
Hi Conditional statements in HTML such as those used by IE/Windows are a slippery slope and they seriously break a central tenet of programming. They are contained with and comments in code are not meant to be parsed as code. It's just plain badness. What happens if someone adds a comment that h

Re: [WSG] When bugs become patterns - A look at CSS Hacks

2005-09-29 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Drake, Ted C. wrote: > I think the future of CSS is not in hacks but looking seriously into > using the conditional comments. I'm saying this as someone that is > trying to figure out the best approach for retrofitting older > conversions. I rely heavily on Conditional Comments. IMO, the easiest

Re: [WSG] When bugs become patterns - A look at CSS Hacks

2005-09-29 Thread Ben Curtis
On Sep 29, 2005, at 11:52 AM, Anders Nawroth wrote: Conditional comments are IE statements that say if ie6 use this additional CSS file, if IE5Mac, use this style sheet, if neither: ignore this statement. Conditional comments are Windows-only, unfortunately. Conditional comments are va

RE: [WSG] When bugs become patterns - A look at CSS Hacks

2005-09-29 Thread Drake, Ted C.
: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:52 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] When bugs become patterns - A look at CSS Hacks Drake, Ted C. skrev: > I think the future of CSS is not in hacks but looking seriously into > using the conditional comments. I'm saying this as some

Re: [WSG] When bugs become patterns - A look at CSS Hacks

2005-09-29 Thread Anders Nawroth
Drake, Ted C. skrev: I think the future of CSS is not in hacks but looking seriously into using the conditional comments. I’m saying this as someone that is trying to figure out the best approach for retrofitting older conversions. Conditional comments are IE statements that say if ie6 use t

Re: [WSG] When bugs become patterns - A look at CSS Hacks

2005-09-29 Thread Ben Curtis
Irina wrote: I've found this to be an interesting idea and wondering what other members think about it: "When bugs become patterns - A look at CSS Hacks": http://spaces.msn.com/members/siteexperts/Blog/cns! 1pNcL8JwTfkkjv4gg6LkVCpw!1805.entry The idea is not new, the logic has a lot of me

Re: [WSG] When bugs become patterns - A look at CSS Hacks

2005-09-29 Thread Rob Mientjes
On 9/29/05, Irina Ahrens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I've found this to be an interesting idea and wondering what other members > think about it: > > "When bugs become patterns - A look at CSS Hacks": > http://spaces.msn.com/members/siteexperts/Blog/cns!1pNcL8JwTfkkjv4gg6LkVCpw!1805.entr

RE: [WSG] When bugs become patterns - A look at CSS Hacks

2005-09-29 Thread Drake, Ted C.
I think the future of CSS is not in hacks but looking seriously into using the conditional comments. I’m saying this as someone that is trying to figure out the best approach for retrofitting older conversions.   Conditional comments are IE statements that say if ie6 use this additional C