[WSG] invalid xhtml

2004-06-18 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
Amidst all the hubhub about Standards and Validation, some people are arguing that they use XHTML served correctly as application/xhtml+xml to ensure that their documents validate. Their reasoning is: if I make a mistake in my code, browsers will fail to render the documents. This is partially

Re: [WSG] invalid xhtml

2004-06-18 Thread Mordechai Peller
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: Amidst all the hubhub about Standards and Validation, some people are arguing that they use XHTML served correctly as application/xhtml+xml to ensure that their documents validate. Their reasoning is: if I make a mistake in my code, browsers will fail to render the

Re: [WSG] invalid xhtml

2004-06-18 Thread Tim Lucas
Mordechai Peller spoke the following wise words on 18/06/2004 7:47 PM EST: That's because Firefox, even though it checks for well formedness, doesn't check for validity. The best solution is to sniff if the UA accepts application/xhtml+xml, and if so, serve XHTML, otherwise, convert it to

[WSG] asp x table

2004-06-18 Thread Gean
Hi folks, I have one question and I'd like to share with you. There's one page on my website that is generated based on a query in my database. This query could result in more than 100 records. So, my question is: Who is the correct way to create a table to receive this information? What is

[WSG] Accessibililty and the positioning of navigation

2004-06-18 Thread Nico Morgan
I am about to start teaching a web development course to a group of teenagers and would like to clarify something in my mind before I mislead them. In short, I am unhappy with the theory behind placement of navigation at the end of documents. As I understand it, the idea of placing navigation at

Re: [WSG] Accessibililty and the positioning of navigation

2004-06-18 Thread russ - maxdesign
I speak regularly to David Woodbridge, a blind user at the Royal Blind Society, Sydney. We used David to test a few of our site over the last few years. Before meeting David I always read that navigation should be last I nthe source. I asked David this when he came to talk to the WSG recently and

RE: [WSG] Accessibililty and the positioning of navigation

2004-06-18 Thread Patrick Lauke
There's two schools of thought: 1) navigation first, content second, with a skip to the content link 2) content first, navigation second, with a skip to the navigation link It's often argued that 2) is better for SEO, as it top-loads your documents, putting your relevant content fairly high up

Re: [WSG] Accessibililty and the positioning of navigation

2004-06-18 Thread Marie
Hi Nico This is my idea on your question - If you're going to liken the website to a book, you should make the front page short and interesting (like a front cover) Title, credits, that sort of thing. At the bottom of this page you can have some links to main areas including your sitemap, which

Re: [WSG] Accessibililty and the positioning of navigation

2004-06-18 Thread Kay Smoljak
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:32:05 +0100, Nico Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In short, I am unhappy with the theory behind placement of navigation at the end of documents. If you actually try to use a screen reader, you'll see that listening to the whole navigation list over and over amd over again

Re: [WSG] Accessibililty and the positioning of navigation

2004-06-18 Thread Peter Costello
Hi everyone, first post. Weve been tricking around with this at work and my limited uderstanding of this is that the skip to content link needs to be visible as the blind and screen readers are not the only accessibility concerns we need to cater for. In particular pointing devices such as wands

Re: [WSG] Accessibililty and the positioning of navigation

2004-06-18 Thread Peter Costello
Also... and maybe off topic. I'm not sure I understand the comparison to books. From my personal experience, when I go to a site the last thing I want is a cover page. I want current content quickly and the ability to find what I want quickly. Most books by nature are linear in flow. A more apt