Re: [WSG] Sliding Doors and IE5.00 Mac
On Sep 2, 2004, at 1:05 pm, Richard Czeiger wrote: Yes, Philippe - but can you figure out a way to do it so that nav items that are two or more words don't require a non-breaking space in order for the nav not to collapse as it does on your Japanese site for about us? R :o) Weird. Works fine for me on Mac OS 9 Japanese localisation, both IE5.00 and 5.17 - as it does on IE Win (Japanese localisation), Gecko, Opera 7.x, Safari, Konqueror3.2 (running on OS X, not 100% sure how reliable that is). Do you have the Japanese language resources installed ? Philippe ---/--- Philippe Wittenbergh now live : http://emps.l-c-n.com/ code | design | web projects : http://www.l-c-n.com/ IE5 Mac bugs and oddities : http://www.l-c-n.com/IE5tests/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Divs or Cells
Hi, If this is off-topic, please reply directly. a client with an international market needs a site redesign. The currently use tables, but would like a transition to CSS. My concern is their market, an international base of travelers on various platforms with varying skill levels. I'm reluctant to do a full CSS redesign, fearing someone will try to access the site from a PDA while on foto safari in the outback. Would a well crafted, minimal table solution, i.e Designing With Web Standards, fit the bill; or is CSS 2 penetration enough to ensure seamless integration, as much as can be expected, for the diverse client base? Respectfully, Chris http://ckimedia.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Divs or Cells
You shoud try to make some test tunning versions to analyse how bandwidth the interfaces and technologies qre faster. I think that one conversation with your clients about the advantages of web standards may be proper. Genau Lopes Júnior WebDesigner ¬¬¬ http://www.meucarronovo.com.br - Original Message - From: Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Divs or Cells Just to be certain, I woudl give the option to view a super low level version of teh website. so its almost WAP like... Just pure text with a few images... Will make browsing faster, and more accessible... One thing to realise is. People using PDAs or Phones to use hte internet, pay tremendous fees. PERSONALLY - I wouldnt mind seeing a black/white page and save me a few bucks on bandwidth - than have a colour logo thats 26kb and have images all over the navigation bar etc... Just another POV for you to think about. :) Cheers Wasabi wrote: Hi, If this is off-topic, please reply directly. a client with an international market needs a site redesign. The currently use tables, but would like a transition to CSS. My concern is their market, an international base of travelers on various platforms with varying skill levels. I'm reluctant to do a full CSS redesign, fearing someone will try to access the site from a PDA while on foto safari in the outback. Would a well crafted, minimal table solution, i.e Designing With Web Standards, fit the bill; or is CSS 2 penetration enough to ensure seamless integration, as much as can be expected, for the diverse client base? Respectfully, Chris http://ckimedia.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Divs or Cells
On Thursday, September 2, 2004, at 07:38 AM, Justin French wrote: If you're genuinely looking at support for alternate devices (PDA's, etc) then I think CSS (with a lot of research into alternate stylesheets, media-specific stylesheets, etc would be well worth it -- far more than tables Should I just begin with a simple GOOGLE search, or does some other resource exist. On Thursday, September 2, 2004, at 07:38 AM, Justin French wrote: However, for some designers, clients and mindsets (marketing depts especially), the layout is *everything*, and they'll want pixel-perfect, locked-down design that works for every desktop browser. In this case, tables still have the upper hand if you ask me but since you're asking, I probably wouldn't work for a client like that these days, because I'm busy I'm striving for the day I can pick and choose. Respectfully, Chris http://ckimedia.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Sitepoint Web Business Kit
Hi, Could someone critique the Sitepoint Web Business Kit. Is it worth the pulp, or can the info provided be found on the internet? Respectfully, Chris http://ckimedia.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Sitepoint Web Business Kit
could you send a link to sitepoint? Ted -Original Message- From: Wasabi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Sitepoint Web Business Kit Hi, Could someone critique the Sitepoint Web Business Kit. Is it worth the pulp, or can the info provided be found on the internet? Respectfully, Chris http://ckimedia.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Sitepoint Web Business Kit
On Thursday, September 2, 2004, at 09:18 AM, Ted Drake wrote: http://www.sitepoint.com/books/freelance1/ could you send a link to sitepoint? Ted -Original Message- From: Wasabi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Sitepoint Web Business Kit Hi, Could someone critique the Sitepoint Web Business Kit. Is it worth the pulp, or can the info provided be found on the internet? Respectfully, Chris http://ckimedia.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Respectfully, Chris http://ckimedia.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] web essentials briefing/ westciv CSS Guide
Thanks to everyone involved in organising last nights breifing, it was really, really great. If last night is any indication of what WE04 is going to be like, steal your mama's purse and get there guys. I was also lucky enough to win a copy of the Web Essentials starter Kit, which I've been going through this morning and it's excellent. I have to admit, I was hoping to win that free ticket to pass on to a friend - I've booked mine already!! - but sorry to say jimmy G, I'm much happier to have this CSS Guide instead (sorry mate!). See you all in a few weeks ;) lisa ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] web essentials briefing/ westciv CSS Guide
yes it was great evening Kate from IML gave me the copy she won of the starter kit - lucky me I have just tried Firefox - looks very much like Safari (only after 5 minutes of browsing) - fast, fast, fast.. What's the (standard) benefit of using firefox over safari for testing? Frederic On 03/09/2004, at 9:12 AM, Herrod, Lisa wrote: Thanks to everyone involved in organising last nights breifing, it was really, really great. If last night is any indication of what WE04 is going to be like, steal your mama's purse and get there guys. I was also lucky enough to win a copy of the Web Essentials starter Kit, which I've been going through this morning and it's excellent. I have to admit, I was hoping to win that free ticket to pass on to a friend - I've booked mine already!! - but sorry to say jimmy G, I'm much happier to have this CSS Guide instead (sorry mate!). See you all in a few weeks ;) lisa ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** --- Frederic Fery ITD Client Web Services Manager University of Technology, Sydney. http://www.hss.uts.edu.au Monday Ph: 02 9514 9933 http://www.dab.uts.edu.au Thursday Ph: 02 9514 8937 http://www.nmh.uts.edu.au Friday Ph: 02 9514 5128 -- UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER: This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] web essentials briefing/ westciv CSS Guide
1. a lot more people using mozilla/firefox than safari 2. Web Developer toolbar http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefoxid=60vid=63 -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Frederic Fery wrote: yes it was great evening Kate from IML gave me the copy she won of the starter kit - lucky me I have just tried Firefox - looks very much like Safari (only after 5 minutes of browsing) - fast, fast, fast.. What's the (standard) benefit of using firefox over safari for testing? Frederic ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Mac IE 5.2
Hi, Im a junior desinger for a company based in auckland,new zealaand. im having some issues with floats for mac IE 5.2, and really would lappreciate it if someone could help point out the best plan of attack to fix it. Id like to point out that we did not do the design for this site ( you'll choke..trust me ), we've only been asked to make it work in all browsers, theres just alot of nothing happening design wise so dont be shocked when you see the page :p The test http://www.styrofirm.com/clients/rebeccaswan/homeb.php to all that can help/comment or even fix :p your time/work is much aprreciated. Regards Steven _ Protect your inbox from harmful viruses with new ninemsn Premium. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp?banner=emailtagreferrer=hotmail ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] web essentials briefing/ westciv CSS Guide
Frederic Fery wrote: What's the (standard) benefit of using firefox over safari for testing? Safari and Firefox have slightly different quirks and bugs when it comes to rendering CSS, so it's best to check in both (and, as Firefox is also used on many other platforms - Windows, *nix, etc - it's probably in your best interest to at least get an idea how your pages render in it) Patrick _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ADMIN THREAD CLOSED was Sitepoint Web Business Kit
On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 12:37:40 +1000, Wesley Davis wrote: Actually i own a copy of the Business Kit and one of the things that I was personally disappointed with was the lack of talk about standards and also accessibility for that matter. None of the author's websites, that I have seen, validate. So obviously it is not very important to his business at this point in time. So, you agree - its offtopic. eg Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet http://elysiansystems.com/ The leading a href=http://elysiansystems.com/;Brisbane Search Engine Optimisation/a firm Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mac IE 5.2
Steven, im having some issues with floats for mac IE 5.2, and really would lappreciate it if someone could help point out the best plan of attack to fix it. The main issue is as follows: Mac IE 5 wrongly clears floats inside clearing block elements, and you can't fix it with clear:none;. The easy way to solve it is to add a standalone clearer to your HTML (say after a navigation bar that you need to clear). It may need to be a full div. Not ideal, but it does the trick. For more info, see http://www.macedition.com/cb/ie5macbugs/#floatclearbug , as well as the entry it links to from Philippe Wittenbergh. Hope this helps. (If this message looks familiar, it's a cut and paste from a posting some time ago.) All the best with it. -Hugh Todd ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] commonly used order of styles within a css class
Does anyone know if there is a common way of listing styles in CSS? I don't mean the order of a:hover a: visited, or the order of specification. I am thinking more of some logical order that would be helpful to anyone else working on stylesheets I have created. For example, perhaps the font and inline information is first, the block, padding and margin information next, and then the positioning. In the same way that naming conventions of CSS classes and IDs is helpful, is anyone aware of any logical or consistent order in which the styles are displayed in CSS? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Next WSG meeting in Sydney - September 16
Sydney WSG meeting Date: Thursday 16th September Time: 6.30pm informal start for 7pm start Where: Australian Museum Search Discover meeting room Level 2 6 College Street Sydney We have two exciting presentations lined up for the night. 1. Mark Stanton from Gruden will be talking about Semantically correct mark-up. 2. Ben Bishop from Daemon with then do a presentation that looks under the hood of a recently launched site that has been built using web standards. More info: http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/event18.cfm Thanks Russ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Next WSG meeting in Sydney - September 16
RSVP like normal to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav russ - maxdesign wrote: Sydney WSG meeting Date: Thursday 16th September Time: 6.30pm informal start for 7pm start Where: Australian Museum Search Discover meeting room Level 2 6 College Street Sydney We have two exciting presentations lined up for the night. 1. Mark Stanton from Gruden will be talking about Semantically correct mark-up. 2. Ben Bishop from Daemon with then do a presentation that looks under the hood of a recently launched site that has been built using web standards. More info: http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/event18.cfm Thanks Russ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Next WSG meeting in Sydney - September 16
Yes please RSVP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keep in mind that we are keen to get other cities up and running with meetings so contact Peter and I offlist if you want to know about your city - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Russ on 3/9/04 3:24 PM, Neerav at wrote: RSVP like normal to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
