Re: [WSG] specifying width of pre

2005-10-25 Thread Joshua Street
Yeah. I think it's kind of Gmail's fault. You'll note the mailing list signature isn't showing up on my messages, either. I'm sending this message in HTML format in the hope it stays more intact than plain text when the WSG list processes it... there's something seriously wrong with Gmail vs. WSG

Re: [WSG] Emulating text browser

2005-10-25 Thread heretic
Hi there, One of the Technical Guidelines is to use a text browser such as Lynx to ... But recently I found that the Opera browser has an option to view your web in the way a text browser should do ( View/Style/User/Emulate Text Browser). Do anyone knows if the Lynx's browser is something

RE: [WSG] specifying width of pre

2005-10-25 Thread Peter Williams
From: Joshua Street Yeah. I think it's kind of Gmail's fault. You'll note the mailing list signature isn't showing up on my messages, either. I'm sending this message in HTML format in the hope it stays more intact than plain text when the WSG list processes it... Been through

Re: [WSG] Emulating text browser

2005-10-25 Thread heretic
Does anyone actually use lynx anymore though Actually I know someone who uses it on a daily basis, due to an extremely limited network/bandwidth quota at his workplace. He can't install a second browser (locked down desktop), and he has to keep IE set up for sites that don't work without

Re: [WSG] Emulating text browser

2005-10-25 Thread alejandro poch
Thank you. That's very helpfull. Thanks also to everyone who response my question. Gracias Terrence Wood wrote: The major gotcha with Operas text view is that it preserves table (columnar) structure where lynx just runs them all together. Try a precompiled binary:

[WSG] XHTML 1.0 Strict better than XHTML 1.0 Transitional?

2005-10-25 Thread Martin Smales
Hi, Apologies if I asked a question that was answered before, but I am sick and tired of having to be stuck between old and new markup, deprecated elements or not, mixture of structure and presentation in XHTML 1.0 Transitional. I felt it is time-consuming to go through all that. This time I

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.0 Strict better than XHTML 1.0 Transitional?

2005-10-25 Thread Prabhath Sirisena
This time I want to break the mould and go straight to a strict doctype. Will a strict doctype help really separate structure and style, and is now the right time to do so because many browsers support the XHTML 1.0 Strict doctype? You can have presentational markup (or atleast, markup that

RE: [WSG] XHTML 1.0 Strict better than XHTML 1.0 Transitional?

2005-10-25 Thread Martin Smales
You can have presentational markup (or atleast, markup that is semantically not correct) even with a strict doctype, so it's actually all about how you use the tool. Ok, I am thinking in terms of putting an XHTML 1.0 Strict page through the W3C validator, and hopefully complain of

[WSG] Listing images vertically

2005-10-25 Thread Jad Madi
Hi, I would like to know whats the standards way to list images Vertical and Horizental is there anything against using img src= alt= /br /img src= alt= / for the vertical listing? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

RE: [WSG] Listing images vertically

2005-10-25 Thread Patrick Lauke
Jad Madi I would like to know whats the standards way to list images Vertical and Horizental is there anything against using img src= alt= /br /img src= alt= / for the vertical listing? You've used the magic word twice already in your question...if you're listing, that would suggest that

Re: [WSG] Listing images vertically

2005-10-25 Thread James Ellis
Hi Jad Use a display:block; rule on your img - easy no br's ! Cheers JamesOn 10/25/05, Jad Madi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi,I would like to know whats the standards way to list images Verticaland Horizentalis there anything against usingimg src="" alt= /br /img src="" alt= / for the vertical

RE: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch

2005-10-25 Thread Ted Drake
Hi Mike I like they way you re-use your gradient graphics throughout the site. It keeps the load to a minimum. On the home page, you have a div with I assume overflow:auto to give the scrolling daily schedule. When I've done this in the past, the div's scrolling mechanism over-rode the

Re: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch

2005-10-25 Thread Head Chief ,CEO - Poseidon Design Studio
2005/10/25, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Mike I like they way you re-use your gradient graphics throughout the site. It keeps the load to a minimum. On the home page, you have a div with I assume overflow:auto to give the scrolling daily schedule. When I've done this in the past, the

Re: [WSG] Emulating text browser

2005-10-25 Thread Terrence Wood
I use lynx regularly... and I actually surf with it. kind regards Terrence Wood. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +64-4-8033354 mobile: +64-21-120-1234 wsg_alantrik said: Does anyone actually use lynx anymore though (except sysadmins who haven't realises that VMS is not the lastest thing out

RE: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch

2005-10-25 Thread John Lewis
Hi Mike, I was interested to see that you are using the back-slash hack when importing your stylesheets, commented as: Excluding old versions of IE etc. I guess what I'm most interested in is how that decision was made? Is it part of your company's approach/philosophy or was it a choice the

Re: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch

2005-10-25 Thread Mike Brown
John Lewis wrote: Hi Mike, I was interested to see that you are using the back-slash hack when importing your stylesheets, commented as: Excluding old versions of IE etc. I guess what I'm most interested in is how that decision was made? Is it part of your company's approach/philosophy or was

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.0 Strict better than XHTML 1.0 Transitional?

2005-10-25 Thread Christian Montoya
On 10/25/05, Martin Smales [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can have presentational markup (or atleast, markup that is semantically not correct) even with a strict doctype, so it's actually all about how you use the tool. Ok, I am thinking in terms of putting an XHTML 1.0 Strict page through

Re: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch

2005-10-25 Thread Andy Kirkwood | Motive
Hi Mike, I'm curious as to how the decision regarding browser support came about. What did the client perceive the 'benefits' of excluding a particular user-base to be? Why not cater to IE5 Mac if the work had already been done? no, that was an informed client choice! We had orginally done the

[WSG] Trouble getting 3rd column to extend to footer

2005-10-25 Thread Bruce Gilbert
hello all,on a site I am working on (http://www.ncpersonalinjurylaw.com/php/Adams.php), my third column (the grey one) isn't extending down to the footer on its own. The third column is being called 'right_col' and the CSS specific to that column is: #right_col {/*creates right column on

RE: [WSG] Trouble getting 3rd column to extend to footer

2005-10-25 Thread Paul Noone
Hi Bruce, Have you considered using to main divs with a background pic applied left and right, respectively, to achieve color and then adding your columns over that with fixed width? This is the only way I managed to get it to work without scripting and seems a common enough technique.

RE: [WSG] Emulating text browser

2005-10-25 Thread Earle Castledine
Does anyone actually use lynx anymore though I also use Lynx via telnet regularly because of blocked internet access. Using Lynx is a nightmare - until you hit a standards-complient site! Also, looking at my site stats, I get about 1% of hits from Lynx (though it is a pretty nerdy site)

Re: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch

2005-10-25 Thread Terrence Wood
Andy Kirkwood|Motive said: Hi Mike, I'm curious as to how the decision regarding browser support came about. What did the client perceive the 'benefits' of excluding a particular user-base to be? Why not cater to IE5 Mac if the work had already been done? The content is still available to

Re: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch

2005-10-25 Thread Andy Kirkwood | Motive
Hi Terrence, My interest in Mike's post is in the client-developer relationship. What swayed the client toward excluding Mac IE from stylesheet support could be beneficial when considering the merits of such an approach with other standards-aware clients. Perhaps the RNZ decision means that

Re: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch

2005-10-25 Thread Mike Brown
Andy Kirkwood|Motive wrote: My interest in Mike's post is in the client-developer relationship. What swayed the client toward excluding Mac IE from stylesheet support could be beneficial when considering the merits of such an approach with other standards-aware clients. Perhaps the RNZ

[WSG] mixing and matching vertical and horizontal dropdowns, deep breath, has anyone done it before?

2005-10-25 Thread Ted Drake
Hi All I'm plugging away at a dropdown menu that is based on the hybrid dropdowns ala alistapart: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/hybrid The second level is horizontal. But, here's the kicker, we'd like to make the third level a vertical dropdown. As they say on MTV: pimp my dropdowns. For

RE: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch

2005-10-25 Thread Rebecca Cox
It wouldn't be anything to do with support requirements for the audio content on the site? Eg a decision not to worry about Mac support in general, not just for layout? I just did a quick check - on Safari I got the visual layout but when trying to get to an audio clip, the browser just

[WSG] Web Accessibility Workshops 28 29 November 2005 - Canberra

2005-10-25 Thread Steven . Faulkner
Web Accessibility Workshops 28 29 November 2005 - Canberra These one-day workshops introduce accessibility issues in terms of Australian policy contexts and internationally recognised requirements. For further details visit: http://www.visionaustralia.org.au/info.aspx?page=684 Writing for the

Re: [WSG] mixing and matching vertical and horizontal dropdowns, deep breath, has anyone done it before?

2005-10-25 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Ted Drake wrote: Hi All I'm plugging away at a dropdown menu that is based on the hybrid dropdowns ala alistapart: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/hybrid The second level is horizontal. But, here's the kicker, we'd like to make the third level a vertical dropdown. As they say on MTV: