Re: [WSG] target and accessibility

2007-03-11 Thread Designer
Al Sparber wrote: [snip] . . . No one is forcing you to not use Buy Now 20 times, on 20 different links. . . . Well Al, they are if I want to make an 'accessible' site which passes the WAI validation. No-one is 'forcing me' not to put font tags in the markup, or lay it out with tables, or

Re: [WSG] target and accessibility -solution!

2007-03-11 Thread Designer
Simon Moss wrote: In fact there is a let-out clause - http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/#link-text - you *can* use the same text for different links, providing you use unique title text for each one... (still irritating - but as you say - there is a point there...) Simon Brilliant

Re: [WSG] tabindex and accesskey

2007-03-11 Thread Terrence Wood
On 4/03/2007, at 12:43 AM, David Dorward wrote: 9.5 Provide keyboard shortcuts to important links (including those in client-side image maps), form controls, and groups of form controls. Well, technically it is a requirement of AAA level WCAG 1.0, but a lot of experts consider

Re: [WSG] target and accessibility

2007-03-11 Thread Al Sparber
From: Designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Al Sparber wrote: [snip] . . . No one is forcing you to not use Buy Now 20 times, on 20 different links. . . . Well Al, they are if I want to make an 'accessible' site which passes the WAI validation. No-one is 'forcing me' not to put font tags in the

[WSG] asp and accessibility

2007-03-11 Thread Bob Schwartz
At the risk of seeming an idiot: As I go through a site overhaul, I pop my questions here as they come up so... Do database driven, dynamically created asp pages pass muster for accessibility? I suppose if I could see the devices handicapped people use to surf, I would better

[WSG] doing things right

2007-03-11 Thread Bob Schwartz
Someone made a comment the other day about my empty table cells which are marked as such; tdnbsp;/td Should they be only: td/td *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe:

Re: [WSG] asp and accessibility

2007-03-11 Thread Mike Brown
Bob Schwartz wrote: Do database driven, dynamically created asp pages pass muster for accessibility? What makes a site accessible? Being on this list, you surely have some idea of the answer. But to help, some of the key things are: - it has semantic, well-structured HTML - in particular

Re: [WSG] asp and accessibility

2007-03-11 Thread Bob Schwartz
Mike, Thanks for the information. Yes, I have an idea, but never having seen any of the devices people talk about here, I often have doubts about what I think I have understood. Bob Schwartz wrote: Do database driven, dynamically created asp pages pass muster for accessibility?

Re: [WSG] asp and accessibility

2007-03-11 Thread Brian Cummiskey
Bob Schwartz wrote: Do database driven, dynamically created asp pages pass muster for accessibility? At the end of the day, no matter the server-side language used, the end result is HTML pages. I suppose if I could see the devices handicapped people use to surf, I would better understand

Re: [WSG] doing things right

2007-03-11 Thread Shelley Purvis
No, they should be marked up as: tdnbsp;/td Reasoning: if you don't put a holder into the cell and you select a border (or not) the cell border won't show on this cell as without content the cell collapses. Hense the nbsp; is the cell packer that will hold this empty cell open. S [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] doing things right

2007-03-11 Thread Bob Schwartz
That's what I thought, but a few days ago someone made a snide remark about them on a test page I had put up, so I just thought I'd double check. No, they should be marked up as: tdnbsp;/td Reasoning: if you don't put a holder into the cell and you select a border (or not) the cell border

Re: [WSG] doing things right

2007-03-11 Thread Anders Nawroth
Bob Schwartz skrev: tdnbsp;/td AFAIK this was needed for NN4. /AndersN *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] asp and accessibility

2007-03-11 Thread Mike Brown
Bob Schwartz wrote: Yes, I have an idea, but never having seen any of the devices people talk about here, I often have doubts about what I think I have understood. Go here: http://www.webstock.org.nz/recordings.php and listen to / look at Darren Fittler's presentation. He's blind and uses a

Re: [WSG] doing things right

2007-03-11 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Shelley Purvis wrote: No, they should be marked up as: tdnbsp;/td Bzzzt - wrong answer -- the nbsp; is meaningless. Reasoning: if you don't put a holder into the cell and you select a border (or not) the cell border won't show on this cell as without content the cell collapses. Uh, that's

[WSG] Table Properties Cross-Browser compatible???

2007-03-11 Thread Cole Kuryakin
Hello All - The thread Doing Things Right caught my eye as I frequently use nbsp; between empty TDs. So, when Hassan gave the link to the tables spec I gave it a look and was interested to see so many different table properties listed. Question is, however, are all -- or just a few -- of these

Re: [WSG] Table Properties Cross-Browser compatible???

2007-03-11 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Cole Kuryakin wrote: Question is, however, are all -- or just a few -- of these properties currently supported by standards-compliant browsers ... as well as ie6? CSS table support is missing in all IE/win versions. If only a few are supported by all browser types, can someone provide a