[WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
i know that this has come up before, but would someone point me to best practices to introduce a prompt to open or download a pdf or any file for that matter? dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash
I have a page where there are some dhtml menus with drop downs across the top of the page, and a large flash object in the body of one of the pages. However the drop-down menu items are going underneath the flash object so they can't be clicked on. I thought I should just put the flash into a div with a z-index lower than the z-index of the drop down list item, but that doesn't seem to work.Can anyone please tell me how I ought to deal with this? I had a similar problem the other day... after a little searching I found out this useful tip: set the wmode parameter on the flash embed or object to transparent (I think this might only work in Flash Player 9 though) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash
Michael,
A couple of things to make it work cross-browser:
- Set the Flash element to have wmode set as opaque or transparent
(if you use SWFobject, it's addParam('wmode','opaque');).
- Position a transparent IFRAME behind the menus (really not simple
if it's not functionality written into the menus you're using), which
is required for IE (Win) whenever menus need to go over SELECT boxes
or Flash elements.
- Remove animation from the drop-down for Firefox Mac users (Flash
elements go invisible while the menus slide down otherwise)
One of the more horrible problems drop-down menus experience.
Cheers,
Kit
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Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
debatable about opening in new windows but its best to use a pdf icon with size next to the link. On 10/16/07, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i know that this has come up before, but would someone point me to best practices to introduce a prompt to open or download a pdf or any file for that matter? dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- JP2 Designs http://www.jp2designs.com http://www.germworks.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2007 4:16 PM To: web standards group Subject: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf i know that this has come up before, but would someone point me to best practices to introduce aprompt to open or download a pdf or any file for that matter? dwain Dwain, Funnily enough I'm working on a design pattern for this, as it doesn't seem to be documented very well in the usual design pattern collections. I'd recommend displaying with a PDF icon, the text 'PDF' and a file size (in Kb or Mb). I suggest setting the target to a new window, then the user can righ click to save. If you want to go further, I'd suggest having two links labelled 'open' and 'save'. You could put in a pop-up with the option; but I think that this would break the expected behaviour more. You could also detect the connection speed and suggest a download time; but this may not give you much ROI. It's always good to have an HTML version of the content; but you've probably already thought of that. I'd be keen to know other people's thoughts; especially if you know of any design patterns for this. Cheers Paul Paul Minty Director mintleaf studio We design create stylish websites Post: Box 6 108 Flinders Street Melbourne VIC 3000 Level 2 108 Flinders Street Melbourne T. 03 9662 9344 F. 03 9662 9255 M. 0418 307 475 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mintleafstudio.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
Responding to Paul, I'm doing the same, with the addition of a note to the user that a new window will open upon activation of the icon/hyperlink. Some may think this is overkill, but I'd rather have the user aware of what's going to occur. Kind regards, Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Minty Sent: Tuesday, 16 October, 2007 8:53 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2007 4:16 PM To: web standards group Subject: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf i know that this has come up before, but would someone point me to best practices to introduce aprompt to open or download a pdf or any file for that matter? dwain Dwain, Funnily enough I'm working on a design pattern for this, as it doesn't seem to be documented very well in the usual design pattern collections. I'd recommend displaying with a PDF icon, the text 'PDF' and a file size (in Kb or Mb). I suggest setting the target to a new window, then the user can righ click to save. If you want to go further, I'd suggest having two links labelled 'open' and 'save'. You could put in a pop-up with the option; but I think that this would break the expected behaviour more. You could also detect the connection speed and suggest a download time; but this may not give you much ROI. It's always good to have an HTML version of the content; but you've probably already thought of that. I'd be keen to know other people's thoughts; especially if you know of any design patterns for this. Cheers Paul Paul Minty Director mintleaf studio We design create stylish websites Post: Box 6 108 Flinders Street Melbourne VIC 3000 Level 2 108 Flinders Street Melbourne T. 03 9662 9344 F. 03 9662 9255 M. 0418 307 475 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mintleafstudio.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
I like your suggestion of including the file size, but just as an aside: Kb stands for Kilobit, not Kilobyte (which you probably mean). Both letters should be in caps to mean Kilobytes/Megabytes. I'd think (as a user) if you use the terminology 'download' for the link, the PDF should be sent with a force-download Content-type header if possible (so it doesn't try to view it). My two cents, Kit *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
I would use the file name (or description) as a hyperlink. Its good to have the file size so the visitor knows what they're dealing with. I link to a php page for pdf downloads. The header of the page ensures that the file is served as a pdf not html which means that an option is presented asking the user whether they want to save or view the pdf. This way you're fixing how the file is to be served rather than letting the browser decide. The same page can be used for any format (Word, Excel etc.). The file type is put in the link as a query. I have seen many sites where the link opens to a new window but I am then presented with the same save/view option and left with an empty window and its all very messy. BTW Macs don't have a right click. Paul Minty wrote: I'd recommend displaying with a PDF icon, the text 'PDF' and a file size (in Kb or Mb). I suggest setting the target to a new window, then the user can righ click to save. If you want to go further, I'd suggest having two links labelled 'open' and 'save'. You could put in a pop-up with the option; but I think that this would break the expected behaviour more. You could also detect the connection speed and suggest a download time; but this may not give you much ROI. Kind Regards -- Chris Price Choctaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.choctaw.co.uk Tel. 01524 825 245 Mob. 0777 451 4488 Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder while Excellence is in the Hand of the Professional ~~~ -+- Sent on behalf of Choctaw Media Ltd -+- ~~~ Choctaw Media Limited is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 04627649 Registered Office: Lonsdale Partners, Priory Close, St Mary's Gate, Lancaster LA1 1XB United Kingdom *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
On 10/16/07, Paul Minty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd recommend displaying with a PDF icon, the text 'PDF' and a file size (in Kb or Mb). I suggest setting the target to a new window, then the user can righ click to save. here's the address where the pdf links are. i did not put the pdf icon (don't know where to get one) but i do say that it's a pdf and the size: http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/design-graphic-studio.html -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
On 10/16/07, Kit Grose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd think (as a user) if you use the terminology 'download' for the link, the PDF should be sent with a force-download Content-type header if possible (so it doesn't try to view it). how would you code this force download? dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
Rather than open a pdf in a browser window albeit the same window or a
popup, I prefer that a pdf is either saved to the filesystem or opened
by a program external to the browser like Acrobat reader. This behaviour
depends on what headers the webserver responds with.
In php you can serve a file with:
header(Content-type: application/pdf);
header(Content-Disposition: attachment);
readfile('test.pdf');
this will usually cause the browser to ask whether to save to disk or
select a program to open the file with.
If you use the following it will load the pdf viewer into the browser
window:
header(Content-type: application/pdf);
header(Content-Disposition: inline);
readfile('test.pdf');
So I'd recommend a link with a pdf icon and the file size and then set
the headers as in the first example
Chris Knowles
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Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
dwain wrote:
On 10/16/07, Kit Grose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd think (as a user) if you use the terminology 'download' for the
link, the PDF should be sent with a force-download Content-type
header if possible (so it doesn't try to view it).
how would you code this force download?
dwain
This is what I use:
$type = $_GET['type'];
$fileName = $_GET['filename'] . . . $type;
$mimeType = application/$type;
if (strpos($_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'], 'MSIE 5') or
strpos($_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'], 'Opera 7')) $mimeType =
'application/x-download';
header(content-disposition: attachment; filename = \$fileName\);
header(content-type: {$mimeType});
readfile($fileName);
where the link would be download.php?filename=mypdftype=pdf
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[WSG] Which screen reader to test with?
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Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
On 16 Oct 2007, at 08:40, dwain wrote: i did not put the pdf icon (don't know where to get one) http://www.adobe.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Which screen reader to test with?
Here's a list of free screenreaders: http://access.benjaminhawkeslewis.com/free-screen-readers.html On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:35:13 +1000, Simon Cockayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, What screen reader(s) should one test with? Seemingly WSG is keen on the development of web sites that are compatible with vision-impaired users and more specifically those who use screen-readers. It's a laudable goal...but screen reader software seems quite expensive...Jaws $1000 approx. Is there a free screen reader? Simon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
On 10/16/07, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16 Oct 2007, at 08:40, dwain wrote: i did not put the pdf icon (don't know where to get one) http://www.adobe.com/ then where? i've looked under downloads and support. i would think that they would have a place special just for us to obtain one. sorry for the sarcasm, it's late and i can't sleep. no excuse, but... -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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On 10/16/07, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16 Oct 2007, at 08:40, dwain wrote: i did not put the pdf icon (don't know where to get one) http://www.adobe.com/ thanks, i found one. where do i put this icon before or after the link? dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash
Thanks Michael and Kit, setting the wmode did the trick. Happily I didn't even need to go back to the flash programmer (who's in China and we have a language issue whenever we try to make a change - it's a long story but suffice to say I'm dealing with the designer in China like it or not!) Anyway for those who are following along at home, all I had to do was change the html code where it embeds the flash object in the page to add 'wmode','transparent' to the AC_FL_RunContent function parameters and param name=wmode value=transparent / to the object tag parameters. This has fixed the problem for IE6 and Firefox on Windows, so I'm assuming it's fixed for most of our target browsers. Thanks again for your help folks. Helped out a poor old developer-turned-designer-by-force once again. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia 0422 985 585 Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks Pty Ltd http://afpwebworks.com Full Scale ColdFusion hosting from A$15/month *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
On 16 Oct 2007, at 10:43, dwain wrote: On 10/16/07, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16 Oct 2007, at 08:40, dwain wrote: i did not put the pdf icon (don't know where to get one) http://www.adobe.com/ thanks, i found one. where do i put this icon before or after the link? dwain It used to be quite easy to ind the relevant page, but they seem to have let their legal department loose on the site :-( Personally, I include the icon within the link; whether it goes before or after the text of the link is purely a matter of personal preference, or the dictates of the graphic designer. I tend to expect it before: a href=blah.pdfimg src=pdflogo.gifDownload blah.pdf/a Regards, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Padding Hebrew in CGI POST
Hi WSG folks, How can I ensure that field values from a Hebrew field arrive in a POSTED CGI string with any spaces on the right (start of Hebrew) field, intact? I have a HTML form that contains a mixture of Hebrew and English fields. HTML page is !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd Hebrew fields are denoted by lang=he dir=rtl attributes. The application works fine and dandy...except that the field values appear in the CGI string with any spaces trimmed off the right hand end of the value. Whilst this is ok for an English field's value, trimming spaces of the END of the field...this is not acceptable for a Hebrew field's value. BECAUSE...spaces on the right hand side are at the START of the Hebrew field. So...how can I ensure that field values from a Hebrew field arrive in the CGI string with any spaces on the right/start of Hebrew field, intact? *** This is how it is passed now: _english_field1=hello_hebrew_field1=שלמ_english_field2= hello_hebrew_field2=שלמmylastfield=dummy *** This is how I want it to be passed (note the spaces on the right of _hebrew_field2 ! ): _english_field1=hello_hebrew_field1=שלמ_english_field2= hello_hebrew_field2=שלמ mylastfield=dummy Cheers, Simon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Which screen reader to test with?
This raises several issues. Firstly, screen readers are not all the same, so you cannot test with one and assume the others will work just as well. Some announce the presence of some semantic structure, some don't announce any at all and some (I'm thinking primarily of Firevox) announce too much. The handling of dynamic content (mostly scripts and Flash) varies massively, and varies a great deal from version to version of the same product. To some extent your choice will depend on the target market. JAWS has the largest share of the business market by a very long way, so you need to consider this if you are working on a B2B website. Business users are likely to be more proficient too because it is the employer's interest to provide training. By contrast, the free products are more prevalent amongst consumers, and they often have lower proficiency because they don't get trained. But all this is irrelevant if you do not understand how screen reader users visualise websites and pages, how they form a mental model and how they navigate through it. You won't ever learn this by yourself. You really need to spend a significant amount of time with someone who uses a screen reader and see how they approach a variety of types of website. A few hours of this will start to give you an insight but it would take days or weeks before you could make a realistic assessment of the issues a screen reader user might have when visiting a particular website. My totally unbiased recommendation is that you save yourself a lot of trouble and simply buy our user testing services. Steve _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Cockayne Sent: 16 October 2007 09:35 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Which screen reader to test with? Hi, What screen reader(s) should one test with? Seemingly WSG is keen on the development of web sites that are compatible with vision-impaired users and more specifically those who use screen-readers. It's a laudable goal...but screen reader software seems quite expensive...Jaws $1000 approx. Is there a free screen reader? Simon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
On 10/16/07, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16 Oct 2007, at 10:43, dwain wrote: On 10/16/07, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16 Oct 2007, at 08:40, dwain wrote: i did not put the pdf icon (don't know where to get one) http://www.adobe.com/ thanks, i found one. where do i put this icon before or after the link? dwain It used to be quite easy to ind the relevant page, but they seem to have let their legal department loose on the site :-( Personally, I include the icon within the link; whether it goes before or after the text of the link is purely a matter of personal preference, or the dictates of the graphic designer. I tend to expect it before: a href=blah.pdfimg src=pdflogo.gifDownload blah.pdf/a thank you, all of you who have responded have been a big help. cheers, dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
Hi, Someone suggested using a PDF icon. Is this something you can get from adobe? Simon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash
Kit Grose wrote: One of the more horrible problems drop-down menus experience. It appears it is universal, a client said he wanted a site similar to www.time.com Going there, guess what the top menu does... http://www.time.com/time/business Bruce bkdesign *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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They certainly don't make it easy to find - http://www.adobe.com/misc/linking.html#pdficon Someone suggested using a PDF icon. Is this something you can get from adobe? Simon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Padding Hebrew in CGI POST
Hi i don't work with RTL languages often, so I may be somewhat off track here but ... *** This is how I want it to be passed (note the spaces on the right of _hebrew_field2 ! ): I'd actually expect the space to be at the left of the _hebrew_field2 in your example Spaces are neutral and inherit directionality, so in your input field you can type a space then a Hebrew word and that is visually rendered as a space to the right of the word, i.e. before the word. It is important to keep in mind the distinction between visual and logical ordering. The logical ordering is space before the Hebrew word. In a LTR environment as in the address bar of a web browser, the space which is logically first will be displayed to the left of the Hebrew word, i.e. before the Hebrew word. If you are attempting to see a space to the right of the Hebrew word in the address bar you are actually looking for a space after the Hebrew word. Out of curiosity, if you insert a space at the beginning of an English field is the space preserved? Also out of curiosity, is the space at the beginning of a Hebrew value necessary? Andrew -- Andrew Cunningham Research and Development Coordinator Vicnet State Library of Victoria Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
On Oct 16, 2007, at 12:39 AM, Chris Price wrote: BTW Macs don't have a right click. Hi Chris, Mac has right click. It's just Steve Jobs made it so difficult with his Apple mouse (a piece of pricey junk). If you use Apple mouse, use the combination of control on keyboard + click on mouse, this will open up the right click window for options. I think it worth to include this little info for user education when a web design opted to use right click for download/open new window. tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
Tee G. Peng wrote: Mac has right click. It's just Steve Jobs made it so difficult with his Apple mouse (a piece of pricey junk). If you use Apple mouse, use the combination of control on keyboard + click on mouse, this will open up the right click window for options. I know its not strictly correct to say a Mac doesn't have a right click and I do use the control key (when I have to) but I have used a Mac for 15 years and never felt I was missing a button. I think its because the interface has been so well designed. Kind Regards -- Chris Price Choctaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.choctaw.co.uk Tel. 01524 825 245 Mob. 0777 451 4488 Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder while Excellence is in the Hand of the Professional ~~~ -+- Sent on behalf of Choctaw Media Ltd -+- ~~~ Choctaw Media Limited is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 04627649 Registered Office: Lonsdale Partners, Priory Close, St Mary's Gate, Lancaster LA1 1XB United Kingdom *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
Maybe it's just me, but this:
--
$type = $_GET['type'];
$fileName = $_GET['filename'] . . . $type;
$mimeType = application/$type;
if (strpos($_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'], 'MSIE 5') or
strpos($_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'], 'Opera 7')) $mimeType =
'application/x-download';
header(content-disposition: attachment; filename =
\$fileName\);
header(content-type: {$mimeType});
readfile($fileName);
where the link would be download.php?filename=mypdftype=pdf
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looks terribly insecure to me -- I'm allowed to put whatever I want into
the URL until I find something interesting?
I think I'd start with
download.php?filename=../htpasswdtype=
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Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
John Horner wrote: Maybe it's just me, but this: where the link would be download.php?filename=mypdftype=pdf looks terribly insecure to me -- I'm allowed to put whatever I want into the URL until I find something interesting? I think I'd start with download.php?filename=../htpasswdtype= It's not just you! - Very insecure - breaks all the rules Chris Knowles *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
that people who author these links without the aid of server side scripting can develop this user experience easily. Anyone seen anything like that? As it happens I offer an inexpensive script, divaPOP (both as a Dreamweaver Extension, and a Standalone script for everyone else) that does exactly that. It is an unobtrusive javascript that adds a pdf icon, right or left of the link, and opens the file in a popup window (which is my own preference since I personally lose websites all the time when I close a pdf file otherwise), all without having to add any hooks to the links at all. Optionally it also adds an icon to external links signifying that they will open in a popup window as well. It's available at http://www.divahtml.com/products/divaPOP/open_popup_windows.php I am also about to release an update that will add an option to automatically add a rel=nofollow attribute to the external links. -- E. Michael Brandt www.divaHTML.com divaPOP : standards-compliant popup windows divaGPS : you-are-here menu highlighting divaFAQ : FAQ pages with pizazz www.valleywebdesigns.com/vwd_Vdw.asp JustSo PictureWindow JustSo PhotoAlbum, et alia -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
John Horner wrote:
Maybe it's just me, but this:
--
$type = $_GET['type'];
$fileName = $_GET['filename'] . . . $type;
$mimeType = application/$type;
if (strpos($_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'], 'MSIE 5') or
strpos($_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'], 'Opera 7')) $mimeType =
'application/x-download';
header(content-disposition: attachment; filename =
\$fileName\);
header(content-type: {$mimeType});
readfile($fileName);
where the link would be download.php?filename=mypdftype=pdf
I guess to be fair, the author may have simplified the code and not
detailed the step of validating the input and ensuring it maps to a
legitimate resource. However, I guess the point is that there may be
people on this list with limited server side knowledge who would cut and
paste something like this, so we should all be careful when submitting code.
Chris Knowles
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Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
I haven't specifically used code like this, but I do use a dynamic page
system (a more advanced version of the '?p=mypage' system commonly
seen). To avoid letting people include stuff they should be able to, the
page that processes all of this basically has an array where I set which
pages it's allowed to access. Anything other than the ones in that list
goes to my error page. Something like this is probably
the easier, but at the same time, most secure method to accomplish
something where a page is dynamically included.
Christian Snodgrass
Chris Knowles wrote:
John Horner wrote:
Maybe it's just me, but this:
--
$type = $_GET['type'];
$fileName = $_GET['filename'] . . . $type;
$mimeType = application/$type;
if (strpos($_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'], 'MSIE 5') or
strpos($_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'], 'Opera 7')) $mimeType =
'application/x-download';
header(content-disposition: attachment; filename =
\$fileName\);
header(content-type: {$mimeType});
readfile($fileName);
where the link would be download.php?filename=mypdftype=pdf
I guess to be fair, the author may have simplified the code and not
detailed the step of validating the input and ensuring it maps to a
legitimate resource. However, I guess the point is that there may be
people on this list with limited server side knowledge who would cut and
paste something like this, so we should all be careful when submitting code.
Chris Knowles
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Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
Paul Minty wrote:
I'd like to see a microformat for this, and an external javascript, so
that people who author these links without the aid of server side
scripting can develop this user experience easily. Anyone seen anything
like that?
Cheers
Paul
heres a generic javascript function I wrote to open links in a new
window based on class name. It's only a partial solution to the pdf
issue but maybe someone will find it useful anyway.
just call it on dom load or window load with the class name you want to use:
setNewWindowLinks('new-win');
It'll hijack any 'a' tags with the class name you use and make them open
in a popup. If no javascript enabled then it'll just go to that link.
The 'a' tag can have multiple class names as well and it'll still work.
function setNewWindowLinks(className)
{
var tags = document.getElementsByTagName('a');
var re = new RegExp(className);
if (tags.length 0) {
for (var i = 0; i tags.length; i++) {
if (tags[i].className.search(re) != -1) {
tags[i].onclick = function()
{
window.open(this.href, '_blank');
return false;
}
}
}
}
}
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Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
On 17/10/2007, at 1:05 PM, Chris Knowles wrote:
heres a generic javascript function I wrote to open links in a new
window based on class name. It's only a partial solution to the pdf
issue but maybe someone will find it useful anyway.
just call it on dom load or window load with the class name you
want to use:
setNewWindowLinks('new-win');
It'll hijack any 'a' tags with the class name you use and make them
open
in a popup. If no javascript enabled then it'll just go to that link.
The 'a' tag can have multiple class names as well and it'll still
work.
function setNewWindowLinks(className)
{
var tags = document.getElementsByTagName('a');
var re = new RegExp(className);
if (tags.length 0) {
for (var i = 0; i tags.length; i++) {
if (tags[i].className.search(re) != -1) {
tags[i].onclick = function()
{
window.open(this.href, '_blank');
return false;
}
}
}
}
}
Just a note:
Your function doesn't currently use the RegExp function for anything
useful (you might as well use indexOf). RegExp is the right way to do
it, though, so you can enforce word boundaries to match complete
classNames only (if I want all a.pop to be new window links, I
wouldn't want a.popcorn to turn into a popup window).
See http://snook.ca/archives/javascript/your_favourite_1/ for more
info (specifically the update) on how to enforce word boundaries but
allow for multiple classnames.
Just my thoughts,
Kit
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Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
Kit Grose wrote:
Just a note:
Your function doesn't currently use the RegExp function for anything
useful (you might as well use indexOf). RegExp is the right way to do
it, though, so you can enforce word boundaries to match complete
classNames only (if I want all a.pop to be new window links, I wouldn't
want a.popcorn to turn into a popup window).
See http://snook.ca/archives/javascript/your_favourite_1/ for more info
(specifically the update) on how to enforce word boundaries but allow
for multiple classnames.
good point - here it is modified to use word boundaries:
function setNewWindowLinks(className)
{
var tags = document.getElementsByTagName('a');
var re = new RegExp('\\b' + className + '\\b');
if (tags.length 0) {
for (var i = 0; i tags.length; i++) {
if (tags[i].className.search(re) != -1) {
tags[i].onclick = function()
{
window.open(this.href, '_blank');
return false;
}
}
}
}
}
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Re: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash
On 16/10/2007, Michael Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This has fixed the problem for IE6 and Firefox on Windows, so I'm assuming it's fixed for most of our target browsers. Probably not. If your target OSes other than windows, the flash plugin works quite differently on OsX and *nix. I was experimenting with HTML over flash, and while param name=wmode value=transparent / works great on Windows. The flash plugin could not get the order right for OsX or *nix, no matter what I tried (source order, z-index etc). It was purely random 50% of the time the flash would appear over the HTML and the other 50% of the time the HTML would appear over the flash file. I was using it on a footer and could just scroll up and down the page a few times to get different results. So you need to check your menu system on one of those OSes. Just rollover the menu a few times and see what happens. -- Nick Cowie http://nickcowie.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] intranet benchmarking quiz
Hi, I am currently reviewing an area of an intranet, and getting a lot of anecdotal comments such as all the intranets I've ever seen worked like this. To deal with this somewhat, I am taking a short quiz of people's experiences with their current intranets. If anyone here can help, replies would be most appreciated. Kind regards, Vanessa Toholka QUESTIONS: 1. Does your company have a single overarching intranet, which is the first point that everyone goes to, with sub sections for various groups OR do you have a separate site for each section or group within the company? 2. Is your intranet built on a standard set of templates reflected across divisions, or are your sub sites or various intranets very different? 3. If a new service/resource was being launched in your organisation would the announcement be made via email or via the intranet? 4. Do you utilise any collaboration tools. (discussion boards, wikis, blogs etc?) If so do they enjoy a good level of user activity and participation? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
