Re: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread Tate Johnson
On 04/03/2008, at 2:34 PM, John Hancock wrote: How can you disagree with a capability? Isn't it a feature to be used if you so choose? For intranets etc that you can force this behaviour can actually be a good thing, but if you don't like it, you don't have to use it! I agree with your

RE: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread Patrick Lauke
Tate Johnson I agree with your latter point. However, I fear that it protects lazy developers who refuse to adopt standards based practices. That said, the more and more you look at the community on the whole; it seems less ignorant today than at the start of the decade. The problem

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread Christian Snodgrass
That's very true. Those that our party of the community are those that are aware and follow standards. And, I do disagree with compatibility indefinitely, such as having IE5's, or even IE6's rendering engine within IE8, because that does cause bloat. But, I can understand having IE7s, because

[WSG] pls help me

2008-03-05 Thread Gitanjali
Hello Im using Spry validations in my site. The validations r not working for asp pages in IE. All browsers r supporting html pages even IE too. But IE is not supporting validations for asp pages. Cud anybody solve this problem for me. Thank u. -- Regards. Gitanjali, Web Designer.

Re: [WSG] pls help me

2008-03-05 Thread Michael Horowitz
You would need to give URL's and specific examples of the problem. Are there web standards issues or just javascript not working. If it is a problem with javascript you should find a javascript forum such as http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/JavaScript_Official/ Michael Horowitz Your

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet? http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install.htm Wondering if this nukes IE7 and embeds itself into Windows, or if it can run standalone... P -- Patrick H. Lauke __

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread aleagi
Yeah, I'm afraid to install it and kick IE6 and 7 out of my box! Anyone with the guts to do it? @:D Regards. Aleagi . On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet?

RE: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread Paul Bennett
The IE7 beta worked as a standalone until the first Release Candidate came out. I presume IE8 will do the same. Am trying now, but you need to have a fully patched machine (I'm behind a firewall so our patches are usually pushed out a bit later ) to install it - so be warned that the installer

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread Thomas Thomassen
I got a spare computer to test this on. Thanks for the heads up about the availiblity of the beta. - Original Message - From: aleagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news Yeah, I'm afraid to install it

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread aleagi
Ok, I'm installing it... Wish me luck! @:D Regards, aleagi . On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Paul Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The IE7 beta worked as a standalone until the first Release Candidate came out. I presume IE8 will do the same. Am trying now, but you need to have a fully

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread aleagi
Ok I got it installed... Since I don't had the last updates in my machine, IE8 forced me to do it. And I did... Now I can't have IE6, it's updated! I have IE7 standalone running properlly. I'll digg to find a IE6 standalone version that worked with Ie8! For the rest, everything looks fine.

RE: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread Paul Bennett
2 restarts later I have found the following: * it overwrites IE7 * it doesn't render anything in the tabs! * it has an 'emulate IE7' button (??) Best to hold off for now. If I get it sorted I'll let you all know. Paul *** List

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread Thomas Thomassen
IE8 does provide a mode switch to IE7. There's a new button next to the home button. Though I'm not surpriced it nuked your IE6 installation. I gave it a go and tried some of my testcases where I make heavy use of selectors and other cutting edge CSS features. Can't say I was impressed. I had

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread Viktor
As far as I know the emulate IE7 button forces the browser to render pages like IE7... [Microsoft also added a meta tag to choose which rendering version your visitors will use during their visit] Paul Bennett wrote: 2 restarts later I have found the following: * it overwrites IE7 * it

RE: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread Jason Gray
I gave it a go... (thanks for the link).. Installed fine... But I had to reinstall my Logitech mouse drivers... I love having to navgiate web pages using the keyboard. Just goes to show how dependant we are on the mouse! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread Thomas Thomassen
p.s. the testcase I'm working on is here: http://thomthom.net/storage/markup/html/sitenav/ (NOTE: very rough draft!) but if you use it to compare IE8 with Firefox2/3, Opera 9 and Safari 3 you see that IE8 still got a long way to go. :( - Original Message - From: Thomas Thomassen

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread Michael Horowitz
Setup a virtual machine and do it there. Much safer. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 aleagi wrote: Yeah, I'm afraid to install it and kick IE6 and 7 out of my box! Anyone with the guts to do it? @:D Regards. Aleagi . On Wed, Mar 5,

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet? http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install.htm Wondering if this nukes IE7 and embeds itself into Windows, or if it can run standalone... Ok, took the plunge. As already noted, it overwrites IE7,

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Hi Thomas, One thing I noticed was some oddness with :hover behaviour I remember when IE7 came out (RC1 I think) I had to add [1] a:hover {} to the head of my documents else it didn't work at all. I added it within my @import statement with empty braces, like this: style type=text/css

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread James Ellis
Agreed, plenty of virtualisation software out there that makes problems like the ones reported just go away. In most VM's you could take a snapshot of Windows prior to install of IE8 then roll back to that snapshot when you are done with IE8 or until a workable standalone comes through. For

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Michael Horowitz wrote: Setup a virtual machine and do it there. Much safer. If you have spare WinXP installs, that is. Sadly a bit late, but I stumbled across these ready-made VirtualPC images from MS

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread James Ellis
I had this crazy idea that MS would allow developers to implement something like this so we could forget about the various furbar'd rendering engines MS produces and just run with something that works for those of us who code to, or try to code to, the various standards: meta name=engine

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread Thomas Thomassen
Some of the oddness can use experienced here: http://thomthom.net/storage/markup/html/sitenav/ In IE8 the drop down menu of the red nav bar will hide when the cursor moves over the menu where the headers are below. Also, the table of content will not drop down. In my CSS code for the TOC I

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-05 Thread dwain
On 3/4/08, Keith Steinacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't pay much attention to anyone that says they can solve all of your site's problems for 1 set fee. why not? i charge by the page and do the seo myself. there's a free class at: http://www.gnc-web-creations.com/seo-optimization.htm

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread Ben Dodson
I've just installed and it seems a lot better than IE7 - A few pages I have that have differences between IE7 and firefox now render exactly like firefox which is good :-) The switch to IE7 mode is a good bonus to have but there are a few weird things such as the url in the address bar is always

RE: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread Thierry Koblentz
On Behalf Of Chris Knowles Subject: [WSG] IE8 news We've decided that IE8 will, by default, interpret web content in the most standards compliant way it can. This decision is a change from what we've posted previously.

RE: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread Paul Bennett
Hi all, Sorry for the quick-fire posts. This just in: * if it doesn’t render when you start up the browser, you can open a new tab and then switch back to the first tab - this seems to 'wake up' the rendering engine * the 'emulate IE7' button allows you to switch between IE7 and IE8 rendering

RE: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread Thierry Koblentz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Dodson The switch to IE7 mode is a good bonus to have but there are a few weird things such as the url in the address bar is always greyed out apart from the domain name which is a bit weird (and I can't quite understand why

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread aleagi
Ok, IE6 standalone from EVOLT are NOT browsing at all! It starts but ou can't navigate with it! http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/browsers.evolt.org/browsers/ie/32bit/standalone/ie6eolas_nt.zip I got IE6 back from Multiple IEs... http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE I've installed it all and

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread aleagi
Yeap, it sucks! I'll find a solution to that! Regards, Luiz Gustavo Aleagi Nunes - Nosce te ipsum - http://sapiensdc.com.br On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 5:04 PM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I decided to be the brave and die first IE's victim :-)

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-05 Thread Keith Steinacher
What I meant by 1 set fee was I'll get you top rankings on all search engines and fix all your woes for $99.99!! Charging by the page or per hour (as I do it) is more legitimate. Some projects you can't really charge by the page though. I have one client who's site has 600,000 pages or more.

[WSG] Links are not hot in ie8

2008-03-05 Thread Thierry Koblentz
I think it's going to be a fun ride... http://tjkdesign.com/test/ie8/links.asp -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe:

Re: [WSG] Links are not hot in ie8

2008-03-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Thierry Koblentz wrote: I think it's going to be a fun ride... I really don't think it's time to saddle up yet :-) http://tjkdesign.com/test/ie8/links.asp So, they still have those stacking-bugs to sort out. Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no

Re: [WSG] Links are not hot in ie8

2008-03-05 Thread Thomas Thomassen
Yup, I'm seeing odd :hover behaviour as well in some of my own testcases. Launch them bug reports at them. https://connect.microsoft.com/IE Let make sure MS is told about the problems now early. If not we'll be stuck with this for sure afterwards. - Original Message - From: Gunlaug