Re: [WSG] HTML/XHTML/XML - Question about the future of.

2008-11-26 Thread David Dorward
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you say that HTML5 will not be valid SGML? I didn't. I said it wouldn't be SGML. The syntax might (I haven't looked closely enough at it to determine) be valid within the rules of SGML. I don't think it can be parsed as SGML though. Because SGML has never been

RE: [WSG] HTML/XHTML/XML - Question about the future of.

2008-11-26 Thread michael.brockington
Now I am even more confused! I was always under the impression that HTML4 and lower were valid SGML. That XHTML1 and up were valid XML That XML was valid SGML So how the ??? does that leave us with either 'serialisation' of the new language being in-compatible with SGML? Regards, Mike

Re: [WSG] HTML/XHTML/XML - Question about the future of.

2008-11-26 Thread David Dorward
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I am even more confused! I was always under the impression that HTML4 and lower were valid SGML. That XHTML1 and up were valid XML That XML was valid SGML So how the ??? does that leave us with either 'serialisation' of the new language being in-compatible

Re: [WSG] HTML/XHTML/XML - Question about the future of.

2008-11-26 Thread Jonathan Haslett
http://immike.net/blog/2008/02/06/xhtml-2-vs-html-5/ On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 9:55 PM, David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I am even more confused! I was always under the impression that HTML4 and lower were valid SGML. That XHTML1 and up were valid XML

RE: [WSG] HTML/XHTML/XML - Question about the future of.

2008-11-26 Thread michael.brockington
The HTML working group is working on HTML5 which will have two serialisations. A tag soup (and emphatically not SGML) serialisation and an XML serialisation (which they are referring to as XHTML5). Why do you say that HTML5 will not be valid SGML? Mike

Re: [WSG] HTML/XHTML/XML - Question about the future of.

2008-11-26 Thread David Dorward
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps I have missed something important: are we saying that HTML5 is essentially two different languages? HTML5 is Everything you need to know to build a browser with some definition of HTML, XHTML, DOM, SQL and HTTP in it. I thought that it was supposed to unify

Re: [WSG] HTML/XHTML/XML - Question about the future of.

2008-11-26 Thread Brett Patterson
From what I have read so far, you are pretty much agreeing with me. Hence, David, you said and I quote, HTML 5 is Everything you need to know to build a browser with some definition of HTML, XHTML, DOM, SQL and HTTP in it., therefore, HTML5 (not to be confused with xHTML or XHTML), is being phased

Re: [WSG] HTML/XHTML/XML - Question about the future of.

2008-11-26 Thread Brett Patterson
Sorry, forgot to add, that the purpose of XHTML, from what some of the top designers and working group members have stated, I may have misinterpreted, but XHTML was built to help designers/developers transition from HTML to XML. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Brett Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-11-26 Thread Brett Patterson
So I thought. But why, when using JavaScript can you not target the ID of an element such as an image? You can target the name, but not the ID, not without document.getElementById-blah blah blah, so how can it duplicate it? It seems then, that is does not. On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 1:32 PM,

Re: [WSG] HTML/XHTML/XML - Question about the future of.

2008-11-26 Thread David Dorward
Brett Patterson wrote: From what I have read so far, you are pretty much agreeing with me. It depends on how you define language. Hence, David, you said and I quote, HTML 5 is Everything you need to know to build a browser with some definition of HTML, XHTML, DOM, SQL and HTTP in it.,

Re: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-11-26 Thread David Dorward
Brett Patterson wrote: So I thought. But why, when using JavaScript can you not target the ID of an element such as an image? You can. You can target the name, but not the ID, Incorrect. not without document.getElementById Why would you want to do it without document.getElementById? Even

[WSG] is there a way to force legend text shows in TWO lines?

2008-11-26 Thread tee
My tolerance for legend attribute is running extremely thin and the irritation I have for it is greater than IE6. Two questions: 1) Can anyone absolutely positively confirm that without legend a site will cause suffering to screen reader's user or cause a traumatic effect to accessibility?

Re: [WSG] is there a way to force legend text shows in TWO lines?

2008-11-26 Thread Seona Bellamy
2008/11/27 tee [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2) I have a column that is 160px wide, but the text in legend is a bit longer, I added a span class, declared a width, but in Firefox, the text still refuse to run in two lines - the rest of the text simply get cut off when the words reaches 160px threshold. I

Re: [WSG] is there a way to force legend text shows in TWO lines?

2008-11-26 Thread Ben Buchanan
2) I have a column that is 160px wide, but the text in legend is a bit longer, I added a span class, declared a width, but in Firefox, the text still refuse to run in two lines - the rest of the text simply get cut off when the words reaches 160px threshold. I really don't want to add a br /,

Re: [WSG] is there a way to force legend text shows in TWO lines?

2008-11-26 Thread tee
On Nov 26, 2008, at 6:15 PM, Ben Buchanan wrote: 2) I have a column that is 160px wide, but the text in legend is a bit longer, I added a span class, declared a width, but in Firefox, the text still refuse to run in two lines - the rest of the text simply get cut off when the words

Re: [WSG] is there a way to force legend text shows in TWO lines?

2008-11-26 Thread Ben Lau
try white-space:normal...? On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 1:43 PM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 26, 2008, at 6:15 PM, Ben Buchanan wrote: 2) I have a column that is 160px wide, but the text in legend is a bit longer, I added a span class, declared a width, but in Firefox, the text still

[WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia

2008-11-26 Thread IceKat
Hi, Usually I'm suspicious of this stuff but I happen to know that Get Up is legit and thought the Aussie members of this list might like to know about this. IceKat. *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] is there a way to force legend text shows in TWO lines?

2008-11-26 Thread James Ellis
Hi If there is CSS related issue that doesn't seem to want play nice, no matter what you do, it's probably a rule being set by the browser in its user agent stylesheet. In firefox's case, it's in firefox install dir/res/forms.css (for forms). Have a peek at that stylesheet and you'll see all

Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia

2008-11-26 Thread Brett Patterson
1) That, I do believe is a crock of shit!2) If he does anything like that, he will be dead!!! --and-- 3) Anyone who believes in those ideas are fucked up, stupid, and this I can promise, will NOT make it in this world, dead or alive! 4) Like I said, I think this a crock of shit, and possibly

Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia

2008-11-26 Thread Anthony Ziebell
Oh, it's certainly not spam. It's been all over news, whirlpool, everywhere. Brett Patterson wrote: 1) That, I do believe is a crock of shit! 2) If he does anything like that, he will be dead!!! --and-- 3) Anyone who believes in those ideas are fucked up, stupid, and this I

Re: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-11-26 Thread Brett Patterson
Where could I find a good information site about the document.images.imageId script line, please? And if you are trying to code using codes such as http://www.kirupa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=217502 Just an example. A quick search to find. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:52 PM, David Dorward [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia

2008-11-26 Thread Blake
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Anthony Ziebell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, it's certainly not spam. It's been all over news, whirlpool, everywhere. Yes, it's definitely real. I feel ashamed of being Australian right there. -- Blake Haswell http://www.blakehaswell.com/ |

Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia

2008-11-26 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Brett Patterson wrote: 1) That, I do believe is a crock of shit! 2) If he does anything like that, he will be dead!!! --and-- 3) Anyone who believes in those ideas are fucked up, stupid, and this I can promise, will NOT make it in this world, dead or alive! 4) Like I said, I think this a

Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia

2008-11-26 Thread Casey Farrell
Haha, it's not spam, unfortunately the only entity that fits your rather heated descriptive words on this topic is the Government of Australia, who are pushing for this filter. This *is* already happening in Australia and the Government have seriously said they would like it in place. I know,

Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia

2008-11-26 Thread Luke Hoggett
Hi Brett, Where have you been, this is a very important very current issue facing anyone involved in web based industries. ciao L Brett Patterson wrote: 1) That, I do believe is a crock of shit! 2) If he does anything like that, he will be dead!!! --and-- 3) Anyone who believes in those

Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia

2008-11-26 Thread Dennis Suitters
Yes, real, definitely. But think about it, the government would already, and in some part already do filter information. If they went to the extremes outlined though, don't you think that generally the public (not just the web development community) would put up such a stink about it, the

Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia

2008-11-26 Thread nedlud
(Hoping this thread isn't off topic) Isn't this all a storm in a tea cup? Last time I checked, Australia was still a democracy, and while *somebody* must have voted for Conroy, we (Australians) still get a say. But aren't there some serious practical barriers to this? Would ISP's seriously get

Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia

2008-11-26 Thread Andrew Barnett
This is currently at the stage of the government looking for expressions of interest from ISP's to set this up for a trial. I only hope that this trial shows that this proposal is the crock of sh*t that everyone says it is. The previous Liberal government's proposal is a much more viable, and

Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia

2008-11-26 Thread Anthony Ziebell
As I understand it, tests have already been completed in TAS? I'm not sure how accurate this is, though... as I have not seen any results. Andrew Barnett wrote: This is currently at the stage of the government looking for expressions of interest from ISP's to set this up for a trial. I

Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia

2008-11-26 Thread Andrew Barnett
Nedlud, My understanding is that as long as the majority of elected members of parliament support this proposition, it will be able to pass through, even though it is technically unfeasible. The Liberals and the Greens are very opposed to this legislation, and it cannot be passed in the Senate

RE: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia

2008-11-26 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
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Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia

2008-11-26 Thread Michael MD
Brett Patterson wrote: 1) That, I do believe is a crock of shit! 2) If he does anything like that, he will be dead!!! --and-- 3) Anyone who believes in those ideas are fucked up, stupid, and this I can promise, will NOT make it in this world, dead or alive! 4) Like I said, I think this