Re: [WSG] Was: accessibility: government

[Luc]

 Hello Shawn,

It was foretold that
on 26/08/2009 @ 19:45:38 GMT-0500 (which was 21:45:38 where I live)
Shawn Henry would write:

Tnx Shawn :-)

SH> W3C WAI has a list of "Policies Relating to Web Accessibility"
SH> for several countries at  Indeed,
SH> it is out of date. It's on our To Do list to update and maintain
SH> it, but just hasn't made it to top priority yet.

SH> Many are adopting WCAG 2.0 Level AA as their standard. (WCAG is
SH> introduced at .


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Re: [WSG] accessibility: government

[Diganta Kumar]

http://www.gcio.nsw.gov.au/products-and-services/policies-guidelines/UsabilityAssessmentChecklist.pdf/view?searchterm=style%20guide

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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Luc  wrote:

> Good afternoon list,
>
> Does anybody know if their exists a list of what is required in terms of
> accessibility
> features for each country (governments)?
>
>
>
> --
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RE: [WSG] accessibility: government [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[Chris Vickery]

There's also a guide for Australian Government agencies here:
http://webpublishing.agimo.gov.au/

As a couple of people have said... at the end of the day it's just different 
flavours of W3C

-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On 
Behalf Of Sue Choong
Sent: Thursday, 27 August 2009 9:29 AM
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Subject: Re: [WSG] accessibility: government

Very useful links thanks Andrew



On 27/08/2009, at 7:27 AM, Andrew Boyd  wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Luc wrote:
>> Good afternoon list,
>>
>> Does anybody know if their exists a list of what is required in  
>> terms of accessibility
>> features for each country (governments)?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>  Luc
>
> Hi Luc,
>
> here in Australia we have a couple of pieces of legislation, the main
> one being the Disability Discrimination Act - there is a guide to it
> at http://hreoc.gov.au/disability_rights/dda_guide/dda_guide.htm
> There are some Better Practice Guidelines that touch on a lot of
> accessibility issues (amongst others) at
> http://www.finance.gov.au/e-government/better-practice-and-collaboration/better-practice-checklists/index.html
>
> Others may wish to add to the list above.
>
> Best regards, Andrew
>
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Re: [WSG] Was: accessibility: government

[Shawn Henry]

Luc wrote:

Good evening list,

 Many thanks for the replies. Indeed, i was looking for a general

 list but as Steve pointed out, this would be difficult to maintain
 due to governments switching.


W3C WAI has a list of "Policies Relating to Web Accessibility" for several countries 
at  Indeed, it is out of date. It's on our To Do list to 
update and maintain it, but just hasn't made it to top priority yet.

Many are adopting WCAG 2.0 Level AA as their standard. (WCAG is introduced at 
.

Best,
~Shawn


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[WSG] Was: accessibility: government

[Luc]

Good evening list,

 Many thanks for the replies. Indeed, i was looking for a general
 list but as Steve pointed out, this would be difficult to maintain
 due to governments switching.

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Re: [WSG] accessibility: government

[Sue Choong]

Very useful links thanks Andrew



On 27/08/2009, at 7:27 AM, Andrew Boyd  wrote:


On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Luc wrote:

Good afternoon list,

Does anybody know if their exists a list of what is required in  
terms of accessibility

features for each country (governments)?



--
Regards,
 Luc


Hi Luc,

here in Australia we have a couple of pieces of legislation, the main
one being the Disability Discrimination Act - there is a guide to it
at http://hreoc.gov.au/disability_rights/dda_guide/dda_guide.htm
There are some Better Practice Guidelines that touch on a lot of
accessibility issues (amongst others) at
http://www.finance.gov.au/e-government/better-practice-and-collaboration/better-practice-checklists/index.html

Others may wish to add to the list above.

Best regards, Andrew

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RE: [WSG] accessibility: government

[Steve Green]

It's not that simple. We are working with some UK Government departments
that still use WCAG 1.0 and will continue to do so until well into 2010.
Other departments have already adopted WCAG 2.0.
 
To answer the question, I do not believe such a list exists, and it would
require continuous maintenance as governments switch at varying speeds from
WCAG 1.0 to 2.0. This transition may take even longer in cases such as the
US who have created their own accessibility requirements based on (but not
the same as) the WCAG.
 
Why do you want to know this information?
 
Steve

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Rae Buerckner
Sent: 26 August 2009 23:25
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] accessibility: government


As a general rule of thumb best practice would be to follow W3C guidelines.

Cheers,

Rae


2009/8/27 Webb, KerryA 


>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Luc wrote:
> > Good afternoon list,
> >
> > Does anybody know if their exists a list of what is required in terms of
> accessibility
> > features for each country (governments)?
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >  Luc
>
> Hi Luc,
>
> here in Australia we have a couple of pieces of legislation, the main
> one being the Disability Discrimination Act - there is a guide to it
> at http://hreoc.gov.au/disability_rights/dda_guide/dda_guide.htm
> There are some Better Practice Guidelines that touch on a lot of
> accessibility issues (amongst others) at
> http://www.finance.gov.au/e-government/better-practice-and-
> collaboration/better-practice-checklists/index.html
>
> Others may wish to add to the list above.
>

To add to Andrew's response, it's not clear if you're asking for general
requirements legislated by governments (of all sites) or just for the
requirements for government websites.

In either case, many countries have multiple levels of government (national,
state/province, local) and each level can have its own rules.

Kerry
(which I work for a state/local govt, and that makes it even more exciting)

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Re: [WSG] accessibility: government

[Rae Buerckner]

As a general rule of thumb best practice would be to follow W3C guidelines.

Cheers,

Rae

2009/8/27 Webb, KerryA 

> >
> > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Luc wrote:
> > > Good afternoon list,
> > >
> > > Does anybody know if their exists a list of what is required in terms
> of
> > accessibility
> > > features for each country (governments)?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > >  Luc
> >
> > Hi Luc,
> >
> > here in Australia we have a couple of pieces of legislation, the main
> > one being the Disability Discrimination Act - there is a guide to it
> > at http://hreoc.gov.au/disability_rights/dda_guide/dda_guide.htm
> > There are some Better Practice Guidelines that touch on a lot of
> > accessibility issues (amongst others) at
> > http://www.finance.gov.au/e-government/better-practice-and-
> > collaboration/better-practice-checklists/index.html
> >
> > Others may wish to add to the list above.
> >
>
> To add to Andrew's response, it's not clear if you're asking for general
> requirements legislated by governments (of all sites) or just for the
> requirements for government websites.
>
> In either case, many countries have multiple levels of government
> (national, state/province, local) and each level can have its own rules.
>
> Kerry
> (which I work for a state/local govt, and that makes it even more exciting)
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RE: [WSG] accessibility: government

[Webb, KerryA]

> 
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Luc wrote:
> > Good afternoon list,
> >
> > Does anybody know if their exists a list of what is required in terms of
> accessibility
> > features for each country (governments)?
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >  Luc
> 
> Hi Luc,
> 
> here in Australia we have a couple of pieces of legislation, the main
> one being the Disability Discrimination Act - there is a guide to it
> at http://hreoc.gov.au/disability_rights/dda_guide/dda_guide.htm
> There are some Better Practice Guidelines that touch on a lot of
> accessibility issues (amongst others) at
> http://www.finance.gov.au/e-government/better-practice-and-
> collaboration/better-practice-checklists/index.html
> 
> Others may wish to add to the list above.
> 

To add to Andrew's response, it's not clear if you're asking for general 
requirements legislated by governments (of all sites) or just for the 
requirements for government websites.

In either case, many countries have multiple levels of government (national, 
state/province, local) and each level can have its own rules.

Kerry
(which I work for a state/local govt, and that makes it even more exciting) 
  
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Re: [WSG] accessibility: government

[Dennis Lapcewich]

In the USA, federal government web sites, and those web sites were federal 
tax dollars are involved, are subject to accessibility requirements of the 
Rehabilitation Act of 1973, as amended.  This is more commonly known as 
Section 508 ---> http://www.section508.gov/   Many state governments and 
public educational institutions have incorporated the federal Section 508 
requirements within their state laws for state supported sites.

There is no direct requirement for non-federal government commercial and 
private web sites to follow Section 508.  However, the recent target.com 
court case out of California used that state's laws and the federal 
Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (ADA - 
http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/ada.html) as the basis for an accessibility 
lawsuit later settled out of court.

I cannot help you with state- or local-level web accessibility laws.


Dennis





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Good afternoon list,

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accessibility
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Re: [WSG] accessibility: government

[Andrew Boyd]

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Luc wrote:
> Good afternoon list,
>
> Does anybody know if their exists a list of what is required in terms of 
> accessibility
> features for each country (governments)?
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>  Luc

Hi Luc,

here in Australia we have a couple of pieces of legislation, the main
one being the Disability Discrimination Act - there is a guide to it
at http://hreoc.gov.au/disability_rights/dda_guide/dda_guide.htm
There are some Better Practice Guidelines that touch on a lot of
accessibility issues (amongst others) at
http://www.finance.gov.au/e-government/better-practice-and-collaboration/better-practice-checklists/index.html

Others may wish to add to the list above.

Best regards, Andrew

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Re: [WSG] legal list numbering (webstandardsgroup: to exclusive)

[Jason T. Featheringham]

HTML5 should *never *include specifications for what you're asking.  From an
pure HTML standpoint, you should never be specifying what type of numbering
scheme to use, just how to structure list items.  The context of *type* you
speak of is presentational.  Maybe a *class="legal"* attribute might assist
you.  Then it is for the CSS to specify the look.

If you're looking for pixel-perfect representation, that is *not* what
HTML/CSS or even Web browsers were intended to do.  A potential workaround
may be to offer an HTML version (with JavaScript to prefix the parent
section numbers in each list item <==> progressive enhancement), but if you
want to maintain the absolute original format, offer a PDF version.

A simple solution using inline CSS and JavaScript (ALWAYS separate them):

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd";>
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"; >

Legal Document

/*** KEEP THIS IN A SEPARATE FILE ***/
ol.legal,
ol.legal ol {/* default display, one reference per
item */
list-style-type: decimal;
padding-left: 1em;
margin-left: .5em;
}
body.ready ol.legal,
body.ready ol.legal ol {/* if JS enabled, allow it to specify
the reference numbers */
list-style-type: none;
}
body.ready ol.legal {
padding-left: 0;
}

body.ready ol.legal span.reference {
padding-right: .5em;
}


   http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.3.2/jquery.min.js";>


/*** KEEP THIS IN A SEPARATE FILE ***/
$(function() {
$('body').addClass('ready'); /* let CSS know that JS is enabled
*/

$('ol.legal li')
.each(function() {
/* each list item should also reference all of it's
ancestors' positions */
var $li = $(this);

$li
.prepend( /* add to beginning of each list item */
'' +
$li
.parents('li')
.andSelf()
.map(function() { return
$(this).prevAll().size() + 1; }) /* map all reference positions as array */
.get()
.join('.')
+ ''
);
});
});



Document Name


A PDF version is available.



 Blah Blah
 Blah Blah
 Blah Blah
  
   Blah Blah
   Blah Blah
   Blah Blah
  
  Blah blah
  Blah blah
  Blah blah
  
   
  
 






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> Anthony - what's there to 'understand'? This is the semantically correct
> way to mark up this particular set of data.
> Simple as.
> By all means you should be able to style up looking pixel perfect the same
> across any browser under the Sun.
> Cheers,
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>
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Antony Gr.  wrote:
>
>> IE not understand this. You don't agree?
>>
>> 2009/8/26 Jason Grant :
>> > Inspect the TOC of this page and see that the markup I used is
>> essentially
>> > correct.
>> > The difference is that they wrote the numbers down into the page (i.e.
>> 1.1,
>> > 4.11, 5., etc.)
>> > http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/
>> > If unsure, use a W3C page as a reference point :-)
>> > Cheers,
>> > Jason
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [WSG] accessibility: government

[kris wright]

In Canada, public facing federal government websites must adhere to the
"Common Look and Feel for the Internet", which includes an accessibility
component heavily based on WCAG 1.0.

http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/clf2-nsi2/index-eng.asp
http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/clf2-nsi2/clfs-nnsi/clfs-nnsi-2-eng.asp

Kris Wright

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> Here in the Netherlands we have http://www.webrichtlijnen.nl/english/
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> > Verzonden: woensdag 26 augustus 2009 20:41
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> > Onderwerp: [WSG] accessibility: government
> >
> >
> > Good afternoon list,
> >
> > Does anybody know if their exists a list of what is required
> > in terms of accessibility features for each country (governments)?
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >  Luc
> > _
> >
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RE: [WSG] accessibility: government

[Koen Willems]

Here in the Netherlands we have http://www.webrichtlijnen.nl/english/

Koen Willems

> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: li...@webstandardsgroup.org 
> [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] Namens Luc
> Verzonden: woensdag 26 augustus 2009 20:41
> Aan: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Onderwerp: [WSG] accessibility: government
> 
> 
> Good afternoon list,
> 
> Does anybody know if their exists a list of what is required 
> in terms of accessibility features for each country (governments)?
> 
>  
>   
> -- 
> Regards,
>  Luc
> _
> 
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[WSG] accessibility: government

[Luc]

Good afternoon list,

Does anybody know if their exists a list of what is required in terms of 
accessibility
features for each country (governments)?

 
  
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RE: [WSG] legal list numbering

[Koen Willems]

Jason, the markup you presented is semanticly ok, but doesn't solve the
issue topic starter mentioned.
See the example site i've given before for a solution,
http://www.regels-stadskanaal.nl
 
Koen Willems

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Jason Grant
Verzonden: woensdag 26 augustus 2009 16:12
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Onderwerp: Re: [WSG] legal list numbering


Anthony - what's there to 'understand'?  
This is the semantically correct way to mark up this particular set of data.
Simple as. 
By all means you should be able to style up looking pixel perfect the same
across any browser under the Sun.
Cheers,
Jason


On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Antony Gr.  wrote:


IE not understand this. You don't agree?


2009/8/26 Jason Grant :

> Inspect the TOC of this page and see that the markup I used is essentially
> correct.
> The difference is that they wrote the numbers down into the page (i.e.
1.1,
> 4.11, 5., etc.)
> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/
> If unsure, use a W3C page as a reference point :-)
> Cheers,
> Jason
>
>
>
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Re: [WSG] legal list numbering

[Jason Grant]

Anthony - what's there to 'understand'? This is the semantically correct way
to mark up this particular set of data.
Simple as.
By all means you should be able to style up looking pixel perfect the same
across any browser under the Sun.
Cheers,
Jason

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Antony Gr.  wrote:

> IE not understand this. You don't agree?
>
> 2009/8/26 Jason Grant :
> > Inspect the TOC of this page and see that the markup I used is
> essentially
> > correct.
> > The difference is that they wrote the numbers down into the page (i.e.
> 1.1,
> > 4.11, 5., etc.)
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/
> > If unsure, use a W3C page as a reference point :-)
> > Cheers,
> > Jason
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > CEO, Flexewebs Ltd.
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Re: [WSG] legal list numbering

[Antony Gr.]

IE not understand this. You don't agree?

2009/8/26 Jason Grant :
> Inspect the TOC of this page and see that the markup I used is essentially
> correct.
> The difference is that they wrote the numbers down into the page (i.e. 1.1,
> 4.11, 5., etc.)
> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/
> If unsure, use a W3C page as a reference point :-)
> Cheers,
> Jason
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jason Grant BSc, MSc
> CEO, Flexewebs Ltd.
> www.flexewebs.com
> ja...@flexewebs.com
> +44 (0)7748 591 770
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>
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Re: [WSG] legal list numbering

[Jason Grant]

Inspect the TOC of this page and see that the markup I used is essentially
correct. The difference is that they wrote the numbers down into the page
(i.e. 1.1, 4.11, 5., etc.)

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/

If unsure, use a W3C page as a reference point :-)

Cheers,

Jason

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Antony Gr.  wrote:

> This isn't work correctly: 'counter-reset' and other CSS styles for
> this nested lists not supported by IE.
>
> 2009/8/26 Jason Grant :
> > This isn't a problem at all. It's a simple thing to do in HTML. Example:
> > 
> >  Blah Blah
> >  Blah Blah
> >  Blah Blah
> >   
> >Blah Blah
> >Blah Blah
> >Blah Blah
> >   
> >   Blah blah
> >   Blah blah
> >   Blah blah
> >   
> >
> >   
> >  
> > 
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jason
> > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:33 PM,  wrote:
> > --
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Re: [WSG] legal list numbering

[Antony Gr.]

This isn't work correctly: 'counter-reset' and other CSS styles for
this nested lists not supported by IE.

2009/8/26 Jason Grant :
> This isn't a problem at all. It's a simple thing to do in HTML. Example:
> 
>      Blah Blah
>      Blah Blah
>      Blah Blah
>           
>                Blah Blah
>                Blah Blah
>                Blah Blah
>                       
>                               Blah blah
>                               Blah blah
>                               Blah blah
>                       
>                
>           
>      
> 
>
> Thanks,
> Jason
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:33 PM,  wrote:
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Re: [WSG] legal list numbering

[James O'Neill]

This straight OL does not work from a pure XHTML 1.0 Strict perspective
unless your legal documents conform to the browsers' default list numbering
scheme.
The *'type'*  attribute is not valid in XHTML 1.0 which really annoys me to
no end, since I work for a county government. The numbering in a legal
document is an integral part of the pages' content and should not be left to
the determination of the CSS, because once you separate the CSS from the
XHTML the list's numbering is not valid and much of the use and meaning for
the document is lost.

I am not sure, but I expect that HTML5 has a similar issue. Correct me if I
am wrong. I hope I am.

Jim

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 08:16, Jason Grant  wrote:

> This isn't a problem at all. It's a simple thing to do in HTML. Example:
> 
>  Blah Blah
>  Blah Blah
>  Blah Blah
>   
>Blah Blah
>Blah Blah
>Blah Blah
>   
>   Blah blah
>   Blah blah
>   Blah blah
>   
>
>   
>  
> 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
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Re: [WSG] legal list numbering

[Jason Grant]

This isn't a problem at all. It's a simple thing to do in HTML. Example:

 Blah Blah
 Blah Blah
 Blah Blah
  
   Blah Blah
   Blah Blah
   Blah Blah
  
  Blah blah
  Blah blah
  Blah blah
  
   
  
 


Thanks,

Jason
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:33 PM,  wrote:

> For an example how to solve this take a look at
> http://www.regels-stadskanaal.nl
> It's an online archieve of the legislation of the city of Stadskanaal in
> the Netherlands.
>
> As you can see i've moved the nummers of the listitems to the content of
> the documents.
>
> Koen Willems
>
> Citeren Andrew Harris :
>
>  How do people get around the problem of marking up ordered lists in
>> legal documents, such as policies or terms and conditions?
>>
>> A typical structure might look like:
>>
>> 1 blah blah blah
>>   1.1 blah blah blah
>>   1.2 blah blah blah
>>   1.2.1 blah blah blah
>>   1.2.2 blah blah blah
>>   1.3 blah blah blah
>> 2 blah blah blah
>>   2.1 blah blah blah
>>   2.1.1 blah blah blah*
>>
>> I've seen a variety of convoluted javascript and CSS methods, but
>> they're all hacks for what is essentially a pretty logical
>> structure... nested ordered lists!
>>
>> I have to admit, I haven't even checked whether this is addressed in html
>> 5.
>>
>> * BTW: I've read lots of legal documents and I reckon the text can
>> mostly be replaced with blah blah blah without affecting their
>> meaning.
>>
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Re: [WSG] legal list numbering

[kwillems]

For an example how to solve this take a look at 
http://www.regels-stadskanaal.nl
It's an online archieve of the legislation of the city of Stadskanaal 
in the Netherlands.


As you can see i've moved the nummers of the listitems to the content 
of the documents.


Koen Willems

Citeren Andrew Harris :


How do people get around the problem of marking up ordered lists in
legal documents, such as policies or terms and conditions?

A typical structure might look like:

1 blah blah blah
   1.1 blah blah blah
   1.2 blah blah blah
   1.2.1 blah blah blah
   1.2.2 blah blah blah
   1.3 blah blah blah
2 blah blah blah
   2.1 blah blah blah
   2.1.1 blah blah blah*

I've seen a variety of convoluted javascript and CSS methods, but
they're all hacks for what is essentially a pretty logical
structure... nested ordered lists!

I have to admit, I haven't even checked whether this is addressed in html 5.

* BTW: I've read lots of legal documents and I reckon the text can
mostly be replaced with blah blah blah without affecting their
meaning.

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Re: [WSG] Multiple IE's for browser testing

[Matijs]

If you use the freely availabel Microsoft Virtual PC you can run the also
freely available IE Compat images Microsoft provides. These are timebombed
which means you'll have to re-download them about every 3 to 4 months, but
it also saves you having to buy 3 separate Windows XP licenses to run the
current (IE8), previous (IE7) and ancient and evil (IE6) browsers.
Best,

Matijs

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:19 AM, James Ellis  wrote:

> Hi
>
> Use virtualbox (.org) and run up a virtual machine that only has IE7 on it.
> You can do this by installing XP into the virtual machine and updating it
> to
> IE7. Remember to turn off Windows Update so it doesn't upgrade to IE8 when
> you
> are not looking.
>
> Virtualisation is the only real way to get an IE that matches what site
> visitors are using, meaning less fubar when debugging an issue. (I don't
> see
> the general public browsing with a MultipleIE browser).
>
> Note you will need a Windows license for each virtualised Windows machine
> you
> use.
>
> HTH
> James
>
> On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:04:13 am Kristine Cummins wrote:
> > I've recently downloaded IE8 and now my standalone IE7 refuses to work.
> > Anyone else have this issue and have a better way to get IE to cooperate
> > for Webmasters??? I downloaded the standalone at
> > http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE
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