Re: [WSG] Yes/No structure?

2010-06-07 Thread Ben Buchanan
On 7 June 2010 14:58, Steve Gibbings st...@stevegibbings.co.uk wrote:

 I have a problem with that.   Radio button sets should always have an
 option selected, there is no undefined selection.  This makes sense when you
 remember where the radio button metaphor came from. However seems that
 doesn't get universally implemented.


Technically correct, true. Would you recommend a checkbox instead, or some
other option?

In practice I think the usage of radio buttons has shifted to accommodate
sets with no initial selection. In usability terms it's probably better than
a dropdown for a yes/no; and some people do have some issues with the
implied off state of checkboxes. Compare it with a paper form where you have
two boxes and you tick or cross an option - there's no preselection. I guess
it depends which paradigm is more likely to fit the scenario.

cheers,
Ben


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Re: [WSG] Yes/No structure?

2010-06-07 Thread Lucien Stals
And I seem to recall that the old radios on which the metaphor is based could 
be pushed half in. That would cause all buttons to pop out thus having *no* 
selection. Not saying that as a justification for having no selection in a 
radio group. Just pointing out that the metaphor wears a bit thin ;)

Lucien.


On 08/06/2010, at 11:38 AM, Ben Buchanan wrote:

 
 
 On 7 June 2010 14:58, Steve Gibbings st...@stevegibbings.co.uk wrote:
 I have a problem with that.   Radio button sets should always have an option 
 selected, there is no undefined selection.  This makes sense when you 
 remember where the radio button metaphor came from. However seems that 
 doesn't get universally implemented.
 
 Technically correct, true. Would you recommend a checkbox instead, or some 
 other option?
 
 In practice I think the usage of radio buttons has shifted to accommodate 
 sets with no initial selection. In usability terms it's probably better than 
 a dropdown for a yes/no; and some people do have some issues with the implied 
 off state of checkboxes. Compare it with a paper form where you have two 
 boxes and you tick or cross an option - there's no preselection. I guess it 
 depends which paradigm is more likely to fit the scenario.
 
 cheers,
 Ben
 
 
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Re: [WSG] Yes/No structure?

2010-06-07 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Lucien Stals wrote:
And I seem to recall that the old radios on which the metaphor is based 
could be pushed half in. That would cause all buttons to pop out thus 
having *no* selection. 


Poor implementations don't define a design pattern.  :-)

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