Re: [WSG] Australian Communications Authority
Just came across this thread and by coincidence I had been told about the site and tossed off this email to them: --- I thought I would take the time to make you aware of some problems with your website. The site does not communicate to Mac users at all. In Safari 2, the most common MacOSX browser, none of the navigation bars (left or top) appear at all. On IE5, the most common browser for MacOS9 users, navigating to your site brings up a page of code - no site. On Mozilla, a common open source browser recommended as the best browser available in last week's Sydney Morning Herald, the navigation also does not work. These problems would be serious for any website, but for the Australian Communications Authority I would have thought they were disastrous. If you are interested I can make recommendations on how to make your site standards compliant across the entire range of browsers, with simple xhtml and css coding. The Sydney Morning Herald (www.smh.com.au) and The Age (www.theage.com.au) have recently converted their sites to this approach, which is widely recognised as the future of the web. You can cut the size of your pages in half (faster site loads and less server demand) and make the site compatible to ALL users, not just a percentage. My company, Universal Head, has ten years experience in design and specialises in online communications. I would be happy to discuss the possibilities with you further. Best regards Peter Gifford --- On 02/05/2004, at 6:41 PM, Rob Unsworth wrote: An official press release from the Web Standards Group would carry more weight than an individual. Written by someone with better journalistic skills that yours truly. Universal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
[WSG] XHTML considered useful
Well at least someone has found a use for it - http://diveintomark.org/archives/2004/05/02/user-friendly-feeds Cheers Mark PS Sorry for being a troll, but i couldn't resist - please take it in good humour. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] WSG Design competition
Apologies for the radio silence from Peter and I on the WSG design competition. We have had a couple of people request a time extension, so we have decided to allow people to send us submisions until Sunday night - 9 May. We will then put the entires online soon after for member voting. Those who have already submitted entries can revise and resubmit if they wish - in case they rushed to meet the original deadline. So, if you have a bit of spare time and would like to have your design used as the new WSG site - please feel free to submit. As mentioned, the winner will recieve a copy of Dan Cederholm's book "Web Standards Solutions: The Markup and Style Handbook". More info here: http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/12.htm Looking forward to a flurry of new entires! Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Validator Question re SHORTTAG YES
Vaska.WSG spoke the following wise words on 4/05/2004 11:47 PM EST: Am I correct in assuming that the validator does not like the 'nowrap'? And that probably being the case, and since I do need it, is there some other betther method for pulling this off? Yep and yep. You want nowrap="nowrap". Likewise for disabled="disabled", checked="checked" and noshade="noshade". If you want an explanation: XML requires all attributes to be in the attribute="value" format. SHORTTAG is a remnant from SGML (of which HTML is a subset of). -- tim lucas www.toolmantim.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] resources for media="print"?
Thanks John, Chris, Justin. I'll do the recommended reading. I knew it had to be out there, and undoubtedly I could have found it on my own -- but it's handy to be directed to the best choices right off. Cheers, Paul On 5/3/04 6:13 PM, "Justin French" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 04/05/2004, at 10:50 AM, Paul Ingraham wrote: > >> I've been studying CSS steadily for about a three weeks now, and I >> have yet >> to come across any information about writing stylesheets for >> media="print". >> I know that they exist, but I don't know anything about them. Is this >> because: >> >> (a) it's so simple that there's no need for education resources about >> on the >> subject? :-) >> >> or (b) I just haven't looked in the right place yet? If there are some >> good >> articles or tutorials about this, I'd be grateful if someone could >> point me >> in the right direction. > > Before thinking about ANY topic, go check out A List Apart... usually, > someone has already thought about it, and has come up with something > pretty detailed to walk your through it without any glitches. > > In this case, "Going to Print" by Eric Meyer will help: > http://www.alistapart.com/articles/goingtoprint/ > > And as always, Google can solve just about anything: > http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF > -8&q=media+print+stylesheet+tutorial&btnG=Search > > > --- > Justin French > http://indent.com.au > > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > * > > * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] Re: Ten questions for Anne van Kesteren
I'm not sure why you referred me to this (http://eastsdomain.com/site/gallery/) page. It validates as both XHTML 1.1 and HTML 4.01 and displays properly in both IE6 and Firefox. On resolutions lower than 1024x768 the thumbnails float under the menu, but that's easily fixed. If it validates, that means it's well formed, right? Tim Lucas writes: east spoke the following wise words on 4/05/2004 10:27 PM EST: With a miminmal amount of PHP effort this is possible, and I have done it on my personal website, and written about it here: http://eastsdomain.com/43. If you're going to do this you better be damned sure that your markup is kosher. You might want to check out the following link: http://eastsdomain.com/site/gallery/ If you don't need to serve valid XML, and you can not systematically serve well formed XML documents, then I recommend sticking with a less strict data format (such as XHTML transitional). XML is a strict data format and, like most, can't reliably be written by hand without some level of QA. There are many advantages to serving XML but you *have* to do it properly. If you've told the browser you're sending XML and you don't then it's no better than sending it a PDF when it's been told its receiving a ZIP. -- tim lucas www.toolmantim.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Validator Question re SHORTTAG YES
> I'm not sure what this means actually. This is from a table in my code > which is for tabular data, not for layout. ??? The validator won't know if a table's used for tabular data or for layout, so this doesn't come into it. > Am I correct in assuming that the validator does not like the 'nowrap'? > And that probably being the case, and since I do need it, is there > some other betther method for pulling this off? > > > 2. Line 65, column 23: the name and VI delimiter can be omitted from > an attribute specification only if SHORTTAG YES is specified > > Updated Try nowrap="nowrap" Patrick Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Validator Question re SHORTTAG YES
Vaska.WSG spoke the following wise words on 4/05/2004 11:47 PM EST: Am I correct in assuming that the validator does not like the 'nowrap'? And that probably being the case, and since I do need it, is there some other betther method for pulling this off? Yep and yep. You want nowrap="nowrap". Likewise for disabled="disabled", checked="checked" and noshade="noshade". If you want an explanation: XML requires all attributes to be in the attribute="value" format. SHORTTAG is a remnant from SGML (of which HTML is a subset of). -- tim lucas www.toolmantim.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] Validator Question re SHORTTAG YES
I'm not sure what this means actually. This is from a table in my code which is for tabular data, not for layout. ??? Am I correct in assuming that the validator does not like the 'nowrap'? And that probably being the case, and since I do need it, is there some other betther method for pulling this off? From http://validator.w3.org/: 2. Line 65, column 23: the name and VI delimiter can be omitted from an attribute specification only if SHORTTAG YES is specified Updated * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Re: Ten questions for Anne van Kesteren
east spoke the following wise words on 4/05/2004 10:27 PM EST: With a miminmal amount of PHP effort this is possible, and I have done it on my personal website, and written about it here: http://eastsdomain.com/43. If you're going to do this you better be damned sure that your markup is kosher. You might want to check out the following link: http://eastsdomain.com/site/gallery/ If you don't need to serve valid XML, and you can not systematically serve well formed XML documents, then I recommend sticking with a less strict data format (such as XHTML transitional). XML is a strict data format and, like most, can't reliably be written by hand without some level of QA. There are many advantages to serving XML but you *have* to do it properly. If you've told the browser you're sending XML and you don't then it's no better than sending it a PDF when it's been told its receiving a ZIP. -- tim lucas www.toolmantim.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] Re: Ten questions for Anne van Kesteren
Hey all. Just recently I had the idea that making the decision to go EITHER XHTML or HTML (serving strictly the proper MIME types with each) isn't necessary, since well formed XHTML is ALSO well formed HTML. With a miminmal amount of PHP effort this is possible, and I have done it on my personal website, and written about it here: http://eastsdomain.com/43 . The site is valid HTML 4.01 strict to IE, and valid XHTML 1.1 to browsers that accept the application/xhtml+xml MIME type. Note the site displays identically in both IE and Firefox, K-Meleon. I haven't tested it in Opera. -Noa russ weakley writes: Anne talks about serving correct mime types, XHTML vs HTML and the pursuit of perfect markup: http://webstandardsgroup.org/features/anne-van-kesteren.cfm Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] MSIE Inheritance issues?
This particular page (http://tribolum.com/test/navmedia/contact/) that I am currently working on works fine in Firefox but not in IE/Mac or IE6/PC, giving me different errors in each. The code validates XHTML 1.1 as well as the CSS, but in IE/Mac, the main content shifts 300px away from the side menu, rather than 300px away from the left side of the viewport. The side menu is positioned absolutely and shouldn't influence the content's positioning. In IE6/PC, the side menu shifts a few hundred pixels right, sitting smack behind my h1 element. The footer does not give me the 120px top margin like I specified, so the barcode graphic doesn't sit on the whitespace that is supposed to be there. I am guessing there is some sort of inheritance issue here. I set ids on the body tags to customise the pages. I've searched the web extensively and my eyes are pretty much about to pop out of their sockets. Any one of you out there knows what's going on? Thanks. Lucian * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] border problem with IE
>I fiddled around with this and found that if you put the ul into a div like
>this
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>#container{padding-bottom: 5px;}
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>the bottom border seems to show up for some reason or other BUT then of
>course you lose the 1px white border to the right ...but that may be a
>starting point
Thanks Jackie! I haven't had a chance to fiddle with this site again, but I have to
finish it this week so I guess I'll have to make some :) The client may just have to
live without the white border going all the way to the bottom...
I've found that IE is very strange when it comes to borders on list items. I had
another case a while ago where the only way to get rid of a huge gap between li's was
to add a border-bottom. Very strange.
Cheers,
K.
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Re: [WSG] iCal and other Calendar Formats?
Justin French spoke the following wise words on 4/05/2004 10:54 AM EST: Can anyone point me to some standards or guides for targeting these users with subscription-based calendars? Check out: http://simon.incutio.com/archive/2002/10/22/lotsOfICalLinks http://www.imc.org/ietf-calendar/index.html -- tim lucas http://www.toolmantim.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
