Re: [WSG] Oh, the humanity!

2004-07-13 Thread Chris Stratford
Nah i see it... :S Ahhh terrible... Off with teh person in charges head! Nick Gleitzman wrote: On Tuesday, Jul 13, 2004, at 11:50 Australia/Sydney, Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen wrote: Just in case anybody asks you, "but how do you *know* the Allmusic Guide is lame?" and you don't have

Re: [WSG] Oh, the humanity!

2004-07-13 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 7/12/04 11:22 PM Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: http://www.allmusic.com Nah i see it... :S Ahhh terrible... Off with teh person in charges head! This thread will be closed real soon I'd bet, but that site basically p*ss*d me off. Makes me redouble my

[WSG] CSS based redesign of http://www.mckinseyquarterly.com/

2004-07-13 Thread Andrey V. Stefanenko
http://www.mckinseyquarterly.com/ I am using this site for couple of years and just recently they redesign site with CSS and XHTML Who are the autors? NIce! Regards, Andrey Stefanenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] * The discussion list for

[WSG] Web Accessability IE Toolbar

2004-07-13 Thread Mark Harwood
Just incase none of you have come accross this bt i think its kinda kewl and handy... http://www.nils.org.au/ais/web/resources/toolbar/index.html Have fun! Mark Harwood www.phunky.co.uk * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/

Re: [WSG] setting width for lis when inline

2004-07-13 Thread Michael Rainey
It sounds like you're trying something I use on my site. I got the idea from Dan Cederholm's tutorial, here: http://www.simplebits.com/notebook/2003/09/30/accessible_imagetab_rollovers.html. I had to alter it to get it to work vertically, but had no problems with it horizontally, either. On

Re: [WSG] setting width for lis when inline

2004-07-13 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Tuesday, Jul 13, 2004, at 07:32 Australia/Sydney, Scott Reston wrote: I'm attempting to build a horizontal menu that from an unordered list. My plan is to provide the list as text in the html, then use an image-replacement scheme (ala

Re: [WSG] Oh, the humanity!

2004-07-13 Thread Mordechai Peller
Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen wrote: OK, slow, invalid, unaccessible. All we need is the lava lamps. Way to go, AMG! Slow? Nah. Before I'd call them slow they'd got to speed it up a lot. I ran a speed report from the Web Developer Toolbar; the results were ghastly! (See below) The real sad part is

RE: [WSG] setting width for lis when inline

2004-07-13 Thread Scott Reston
for all interested (and thanks to everyone), tania had the answer that worked out for me. the lis need to have some float (within the ul) or they all bunch up. ps - for anyone that's interested, i'm not quite doing the ala-tabs thing. i'm replacing a list of links with associated icons,

Re: [WSG] CSS Opacity

2004-07-13 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Tuesday, Jul 13, 2004, at 22:03 Australia/Sydney, Joe Leech wrote: I know this really isn't strictly *standard* but... I am using the css level 3 opacity property (and using the alpha filter for IE) for various content boxes to show the background image. However, I have just placed an image

Re: [WSG] CSS Opacity

2004-07-13 Thread Marc Greenstock
Joe Leech wrote: I know this really isn't strictly *standard* but... I am using the css level 3 opacity property (and using the alpha filter for IE) for various content boxes to show the background image. However, I have just placed an image in the opaque block and it is opaque - but I don't

Re: [WSG] CSS Opacity

2004-07-13 Thread Ben Bishop
Hi Joe, placed an image in the opaque block and it is opaque - but I don't want it to be. Is there a way to turn off the opacity of top image? As Porter Glendinning replied to a similar post on css-discuss: ...the problem you're running up against is not one of inheritance. When you set the

RE: [WSG] CSS Opacity

2004-07-13 Thread Patrick Lauke
This may be of interest http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/39758 In short, you could avoid the problem completely by using a 24bit PNG for the background, rather than using opacity. Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford

[WSG] Brisbane Meeting Wednesday July 14

2004-07-13 Thread Lea de Groot
The July Brisbane meeting is on tonight (Wednesday)! Agenda: 6:30pm - Informal start/Networking 7:00pm - Official start. Marc Greenwood of Shock Media discusses his recent rebuild of Shock Media's corporate site as a standards-compliant site. 8:00pm (approx) Open discussion of issues of interest

RE: [WSG] setting width for lis when inline

2004-07-13 Thread Scott Reston
Thanks for the additional information. I'm not sure that I understand the fine point, though. Does this suggest that inline elements cannot have a width property at all? I read this to say If you don't specify left, right, margin-left, or margin-right, the default value is 0. (Incidentally,

RE: [WSG] Web Accessability IE Toolbar

2004-07-13 Thread Scott Reston
right, but you're TESTING on IE, aren't you? it's nice to have a tool similar to the ff/moz toolbar when you're trying to figure out 'just what the heck is IE thinking?'. thanks Mark. s:r ps - better to take issue with the semantic use of 'kewl', no? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

RE: [WSG] Web Accessability IE Toolbar

2004-07-13 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Lee Roberts [...] It's bad enough everyone thinks they need to do it, but for an accessibility group to do it I'm flabbergasted. most current screenreaders / assistive technologie hook into IE in some way to provide web browsing. so it's still a harsh reality that some user groups WILL

[WSG] standards badges

2004-07-13 Thread Ted Drake
there is a good posting at the following web site about posting our badges of honor for valid web sites: http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/archives/wearing_badges_is_not_enough.html I like his suggestion to send people to an internal page that describes the accessibility attributes of the site.

RE: [WSG] setting width for lis when inline

2004-07-13 Thread Scott Reston
Patrick - Thanks for your detailed answer (and your patience...) This would suggest that the fix I found exploits a (perhaps temporary) flaw in the browser render engines. To recap for folks just joining in, here's a short description of what I'm trying to do: the code below should make the UL

RE: [WSG] standards badges

2004-07-13 Thread Lee Roberts
Without even reading what the person says, I will agree. The consumer has no idea what we're talking about when it comes to accessibility. Linking to any accessibility validator simply fails to provide the information people want and need. They want and need to be educated. Creating an

RE: [WSG] Web Accessability IE Toolbar

2004-07-13 Thread Lee Roberts
Regardless of what the AT supports or not makes no difference in what browsers toolbar developers can support. Here's why they don't support any other browser: IE is a fixed solution with very little change. IE6 came out in 2001 and has had only one service pack release in three years. SP2 is

[WSG] text field size tag

2004-07-13 Thread Ted Drake
In the 5th edition of O'Reilly's HTML and XHTML the definitive guide, they suggest listing a size and max length for the text input field. I would like to define the width with css and leave out the size attribute on my input fields. I'm trying to remove as much styling from our forms as

Re: [WSG] text field size tag

2004-07-13 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
I'd say that the size is an intrinsic dimension of the input element, and - similar to what happens with images - it's ok to have it in your xhtml. You can still use css in addition to it. But I think at the end of the day it comes down to preference... Patrick H. Lauke

Re: [WSG] Web Accessability IE Toolbar

2004-07-13 Thread Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen
The voices are telling me that Lee Roberts said on 7/13/2004 11:28 AM: The Gecko based browsers are fluid due to their open source nature. Opera could be easily supported, but no one makes tools for that small group. Au contraire: http://blog.crispen.org/archives/000302.html describes hot to

[WSG] CSS DIV CENTERS

2004-07-13 Thread olajide olaolorun
Hi, I wanted to know how I can center a CSS DIV that uses the X and Y scale... Personal Playgrounds: Empire X - http://www.empirex.net Olajide Olaolorun - http://www.olajideolaolorun.com Business Related: Triple O, L.L.C. - http:// - coming soon Triple O, Labs - http://www.tripleolabs.com Triple

Re: [WSG] text field size tag

2004-07-13 Thread Mordechai Peller
Ted Drake wrote: listing a size and max length for the text input field. I would like to define the width with css and leave out the size attribute on my input fields. To get around IE nasty habit of expanding boxes to the destruction of the layout, I set {width : 80%;} with success. The

RE: [WSG] Web Accessability IE Toolbar

2004-07-13 Thread Lee Roberts
Rev. Bob, Interesting concept there and I'm glad it works. Problem is still the same. No one made a tool for Opera. You just hacked a solution to make it do what you wanted it to do. Without your excellent knowledge and fine instructions the average computer user wouldn't know how to do those

[WSG] Review of Dan Cederholm's book

2004-07-13 Thread Hugh Todd
There's a review of Dan Cederholms book, Web Standards Solutions: The Markup and Style Handbook, on Todd Dominey's blog. http://www.whatdoiknow.org/ -Hugh Todd * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Web Accessability IE Toolbar

2004-07-13 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
From: Lee Roberts [...] the average computer user wouldn't know how to do those things. Once more, with gusto: the toolbar is for *developers*, not average *users* Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned.

RE: [WSG] Web Accessability IE Toolbar

2004-07-13 Thread Steven . Faulkner
The reasons why the new version of the web accessibility toolbar is IE only: 1. there was a gap in the market, no tools comparable to those available for mozilla were/are available for IE 2. our programming expertise is limited (if somebody wants to work with us on versions for other

Re: [WSG] setting width for lis when inline

2004-07-13 Thread design
Hi Scott, Well I'm a bit of a novice when it comes down to it,but when I initially added the "float: left;" I removed the "display:inline;"on both the ul and the li as I found it un-necessary in the original code you sent. While it may be necessay in light of other elements, is it possible

RE: [WSG] Web Accessability IE Toolbar

2004-07-13 Thread Lee Roberts
Congratulations to NILS for such a fantastic tool. Your use of the simulator is perfection and can help people understand how others view their web sites. Steven, I thank you and your fellow programmers. Lee Roberts http://www.roserockdesign.com http://www.applepiecart.com -Original

Re: [WSG] text field size tag

2004-07-13 Thread Justin French
On 14/07/2004, at 5:13 AM, Ted Drake wrote: In the 5th edition of O'Reilly's HTML and XHTML the definitive guide, they suggest listing a size and max length for the text input field. I would like to define the width with css and leave out the size attribute on my input fields. I'm trying to