[WSG] Problem with Footer placemenent and 1PX margin in IE.
Hi, I've been working on a redesign of a site for sportsclubs here in Belgium. Up till now I've always used the old fashioned layout but I wanted to make a change. Now, this is the template : http://www.nsworx.be/_template.php and this is the CSS behind it : http://www.nsworx.be/_resources/screen.css As you can see in FF/Camino/Safari the footer leaves a space. And in IE on a windows platform there is a pixel wide spacing between the navigation and the background on the left. Probably I've been messing too hard with the CSS and probably there is just too much code to hold it togheter but sometimes it's better to let somebody else look at it ... I just don't see it where I go wrong. Thanks, .K ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mac Tools Kit for Web Standards Developer
Kevin, I used to do all my FTP task in a shell session. Transmit surely beats that when it comes to synchronising ;) I'm quite a command line junky like Paul. It gives you enormous "power" if you know to push the right buttons. So, in conclusion. One of the best tools available on mac these days is the bash (or some other) shell. Regs, .K On 11 Oct 2004, at 01:54, Kevin Futter wrote: I use Dreamweaver MX2004 for site development and SubethaEdit for nuts and bolts text editing. I know some people are leery of DW because they see it as purely a WYSIWYG solution, but its code editing tools are robust and its site management tools can't be matched by any text-editor. And it makes a decent fist of producing compliant code. I almost never switch it to visual layout mode these days. SubethaEdit is impressive, especially given that it's free, and it comes with a bunch of preset 'pretty print' modules for code colouring in a number of syntaxes. By the way Kristof, I use Transmit too, but unlike you I think it sucks, and is poor in comparison to things like WS_FTP on Windows. Cheers, Kevin On 9/10/04 2:13 AM, "Kristof Rutten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Geoff, I've 'switchted' sides in March of this year and haven't returned to my old Win-platofrm ;) Tools I use most while desingning : CSSEdit from MacRabbit - http://www.macrabbit.com/cssedit/ Transmit - a great FTP client -http://www.panic.com/transmit/ CocoaMySQL - database tool - http://cocoamysql.sourceforge.net/ Take care, the OS X platform is highly adictive and you are not likely to return to your old win/linux boxes ;) Regards, .K On 08 Oct 2004, at 12:36, Geoff Deering wrote: Hi, I'm wondering what tools Mac developers out there use? I'm basically and windows and linux person, but will get a small iBook for travelling and testing on next week. I'll be OS in Nov/Dec and need to still do some work, so I need to be able to work pretty comfortably on the Mac. On Windows I mainly use TopStylePro. Appreciate any Mac software tips for standards based development - Regards Geoff Deering ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] about.com's Web standards article
Hi Robyn, Sorry, not yet. Regards, -Vlad - Original Message - From: "ROBYN BALL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "wsg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 9:38 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] about.com's Web standards article > Hi Vlad, > > Will Xstandard run on Mac? If not, do you know if there is something similar to > it that will? > > Thanks, > > Byn > > -Original Message- > From: info > Sent: Monday, 11 October 2004 11:22 AM > To: wsg > Subject: Re: [WSG] about.com's Web standards article > > > Hi Aaron, > > "wysiwyg monkeys" - Eh? > > Nothing wrong with using WYSIWYGs - so long as they are standards-compliant. I > tell you what - if you can get our WYSIWYG to create non-standards compliant > markup, we'll get you a Firefox t-shirt. Use the link below, this version will > run in Firefox PR1: > http://xstandard.com/misc/beta/x-pro.exe > > Regards, > -Vlad > XStandard Development Team > http://xstandard.com > > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Aaron Tate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 7:40 PM > Subject: Re: [WSG] about.com's Web standards article > > > > Quoting john <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > I thought this was interesting. Jennifer Kyrnin, About.com's "Web > > > Design/HTML" Guide, wrote an article recently regarding XHTML and CSS. > > > In it, she mentions that she asked one of the About.com developers why > > > their site isn't using Web Standards. She stated that they had to main > > > reasons for not doing it: > > > > > > 1. Bandwidth - With over 700 sites on About receiving millions of > > > pageviews a day, even 1KB of extra characters on a page can result in > > > huge transfers. By cutting out things like alt tags and quotes they can > > > save a lot of money. > > > > > > 2. Compatibility - The audience for About Web pages is huge, and moving > > > to more modern HTML variants like XHTML 1.0 and CSS positioning will > > > make it more difficult for older browsers to view the pages. > > > > > > The reason for these answers are quite obviously because they don't want to > tell > > everyone the real reason which is that there all wysiwyg monkeys and don't > know > > any better :-P > > > > *dons flame suit* > > > > > > > > -- > > Aaron Tate > > > > ** > > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > > ** > > > > > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] about.com's Web standards article
Hi Vlad, Will Xstandard run on Mac? If not, do you know if there is something similar to it that will? Thanks, Byn -Original Message- From: info Sent: Monday, 11 October 2004 11:22 AM To: wsg Subject: Re: [WSG] about.com's Web standards article Hi Aaron, "wysiwyg monkeys" - Eh? Nothing wrong with using WYSIWYGs - so long as they are standards-compliant. I tell you what - if you can get our WYSIWYG to create non-standards compliant markup, we'll get you a Firefox t-shirt. Use the link below, this version will run in Firefox PR1: http://xstandard.com/misc/beta/x-pro.exe Regards, -Vlad XStandard Development Team http://xstandard.com - Original Message - From: "Aaron Tate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] about.com's Web standards article > Quoting john <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I thought this was interesting. Jennifer Kyrnin, About.com's "Web > > Design/HTML" Guide, wrote an article recently regarding XHTML and CSS. > > In it, she mentions that she asked one of the About.com developers why > > their site isn't using Web Standards. She stated that they had to main > > reasons for not doing it: > > > > 1. Bandwidth - With over 700 sites on About receiving millions of > > pageviews a day, even 1KB of extra characters on a page can result in > > huge transfers. By cutting out things like alt tags and quotes they can > > save a lot of money. > > > > 2. Compatibility - The audience for About Web pages is huge, and moving > > to more modern HTML variants like XHTML 1.0 and CSS positioning will > > make it more difficult for older browsers to view the pages. > > > The reason for these answers are quite obviously because they don't want to tell > everyone the real reason which is that there all wysiwyg monkeys and don't know > any better :-P > > *dons flame suit* > > > > -- > Aaron Tate > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] about.com's Web standards article
Back about a year ago about.com were using Movable Type for all there sites. So they should be in complete control of their code. If they wanted to save money on bandwidth why don't they gzip up all their pages and configure the server to send those to user agents who handle them, which, I think, is pretty much most these days. - Geoff ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mac Tools Kit for Web Standards Developer
Kevin Futter wrote: SubethaEdit is impressive, especially given that it's free, and it comes with a bunch of preset 'pretty print' modules for code colouring in a number of syntaxes.[snip] Paul Connolley wrote: Transmit is quite nice but is as good an FTP client as Fugu or Cyberduck. [snipped me (paul) on about SEE] Kevin Futter wrote: True, but try doing a site-wide, 200-page find-and-replace with a text-editor; or move a dependent file to a new directory and have the software automatically update all dependent links in all pages ... Anyway, I fully appreciate that we all have our various ways of working! Indeed, I find myself to be a bit of a die-hard when it comes to unix and I'd be a grep man for that. Of course I'm a masochist so it follows quite easily really. Project management tools are one of those things that I dream about but never find myself comfortable with. YMMV as always. I agree with you that a GUI is much easier when looking at results. *cough* except when I'm reading my SQL web-stats in raw mode. -- Paul Connolley SQL/Systems Programmer Egocentric - http://egocentric.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] about.com's Web standards article
Hi Aaron, "wysiwyg monkeys" - Eh? Nothing wrong with using WYSIWYGs - so long as they are standards-compliant. I tell you what - if you can get our WYSIWYG to create non-standards compliant markup, we'll get you a Firefox t-shirt. Use the link below, this version will run in Firefox PR1: http://xstandard.com/misc/beta/x-pro.exe Regards, -Vlad XStandard Development Team http://xstandard.com - Original Message - From: "Aaron Tate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] about.com's Web standards article > Quoting john <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I thought this was interesting. Jennifer Kyrnin, About.com's "Web > > Design/HTML" Guide, wrote an article recently regarding XHTML and CSS. > > In it, she mentions that she asked one of the About.com developers why > > their site isn't using Web Standards. She stated that they had to main > > reasons for not doing it: > > > > 1. Bandwidth - With over 700 sites on About receiving millions of > > pageviews a day, even 1KB of extra characters on a page can result in > > huge transfers. By cutting out things like alt tags and quotes they can > > save a lot of money. > > > > 2. Compatibility - The audience for About Web pages is huge, and moving > > to more modern HTML variants like XHTML 1.0 and CSS positioning will > > make it more difficult for older browsers to view the pages. > > > The reason for these answers are quite obviously because they don't want to tell > everyone the real reason which is that there all wysiwyg monkeys and don't know > any better :-P > > *dons flame suit* > > > > -- > Aaron Tate > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mac Tools Kit for Web Standards Developer
On 11/10/04 10:11 AM, "Paul Connolley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 11 Oct 2004, at 00:54, Kevin Futter wrote: > >> SubethaEdit is impressive, especially given that it's free, and it >> comes >> with a bunch of preset 'pretty print' modules for code colouring in a >> number >> of syntaxes. >> >> By the way Kristof, I use Transmit too, but unlike you I think it >> sucks, and >> is poor in comparison to things like WS_FTP on Windows. > > Transmit is quite nice but is as good an FTP client as Fugu or > Cyberduck. Combine this with the fact that they both work with SEE > (SubEthaEdit), in that it combines SFTP functions with the editor, I > don't need a website management program. True, but try doing a site-wide, 200-page find-and-replace with a text-editor; or move a dependent file to a new directory and have the software automatically update all dependent links in all pages ... Anyway, I fully appreciate that we all have our various ways of working! Cheers, Kevin Futter ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mac Tools Kit for Web Standards Developer
I would second that call on DWMX 2004, I have tried pretty much everything and nothing beats Dreamweaver in code view. Cheers, John. Kevin Futter wrote: I use Dreamweaver MX2004 for site development and SubethaEdit for nuts and bolts text editing. I know some people are leery of DW because they see it as purely a WYSIWYG solution, but its code editing tools are robust and its site management tools can't be matched by any text-editor. And it makes a decent fist of producing compliant code. I almost never switch it to visual layout mode these days. SubethaEdit is impressive, especially given that it's free, and it comes with a bunch of preset 'pretty print' modules for code colouring in a number of syntaxes. By the way Kristof, I use Transmit too, but unlike you I think it sucks, and is poor in comparison to things like WS_FTP on Windows. Cheers, Kevin On 9/10/04 2:13 AM, "Kristof Rutten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Geoff, I've 'switchted' sides in March of this year and haven't returned to my old Win-platofrm ;) Tools I use most while desingning : CSSEdit from MacRabbit - http://www.macrabbit.com/cssedit/ Transmit - a great FTP client -http://www.panic.com/transmit/ CocoaMySQL - database tool - http://cocoamysql.sourceforge.net/ Take care, the OS X platform is highly adictive and you are not likely to return to your old win/linux boxes ;) Regards, .K On 08 Oct 2004, at 12:36, Geoff Deering wrote: Hi, I'm wondering what tools Mac developers out there use? I'm basically and windows and linux person, but will get a small iBook for travelling and testing on next week. I'll be OS in Nov/Dec and need to still do some work, so I need to be able to work pretty comfortably on the Mac. On Windows I mainly use TopStylePro. Appreciate any Mac software tips for standards based development - Regards Geoff Deering ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mac Tools Kit for Web Standards Developer
On 11 Oct 2004, at 00:54, Kevin Futter wrote: SubethaEdit is impressive, especially given that it's free, and it comes with a bunch of preset 'pretty print' modules for code colouring in a number of syntaxes. By the way Kristof, I use Transmit too, but unlike you I think it sucks, and is poor in comparison to things like WS_FTP on Windows. Transmit is quite nice but is as good an FTP client as Fugu or Cyberduck. Combine this with the fact that they both work with SEE (SubEthaEdit), in that it combines SFTP functions with the editor, I don't need a website management program. -- Paul Connolley SQL/Systems Programmer Egocentric - http://egocentric.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mac Tools Kit for Web Standards Developer
I use Dreamweaver MX2004 for site development and SubethaEdit for nuts and bolts text editing. I know some people are leery of DW because they see it as purely a WYSIWYG solution, but its code editing tools are robust and its site management tools can't be matched by any text-editor. And it makes a decent fist of producing compliant code. I almost never switch it to visual layout mode these days. SubethaEdit is impressive, especially given that it's free, and it comes with a bunch of preset 'pretty print' modules for code colouring in a number of syntaxes. By the way Kristof, I use Transmit too, but unlike you I think it sucks, and is poor in comparison to things like WS_FTP on Windows. Cheers, Kevin On 9/10/04 2:13 AM, "Kristof Rutten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Geoff, > > I've 'switchted' sides in March of this year and haven't returned to > my old Win-platofrm ;) > > Tools I use most while desingning : > > CSSEdit from MacRabbit - http://www.macrabbit.com/cssedit/ > Transmit - a great FTP client -http://www.panic.com/transmit/ > CocoaMySQL - database tool - http://cocoamysql.sourceforge.net/ > > Take care, the OS X platform is highly adictive and you are not likely > to return > to your old win/linux boxes ;) > > Regards, .K > > > On 08 Oct 2004, at 12:36, Geoff Deering wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm wondering what tools Mac developers out there use? I'm basically >> and >> windows and linux person, but will get a small iBook for travelling and >> testing on next week. I'll be OS in Nov/Dec and need to still do some >> work, >> so I need to be able to work pretty comfortably on the Mac. On >> Windows I >> mainly use TopStylePro. >> >> Appreciate any Mac software tips for standards based development >> >> - >> Regards >> Geoff Deering >> >> ** >> The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ >> >> See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> for some hints on posting to the list & getting help >> ** >> >> >> > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] about.com's Web standards article
Quoting john <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I thought this was interesting. Jennifer Kyrnin, About.com's "Web > Design/HTML" Guide, wrote an article recently regarding XHTML and CSS. > In it, she mentions that she asked one of the About.com developers why > their site isn't using Web Standards. She stated that they had to main > reasons for not doing it: > > 1. Bandwidth - With over 700 sites on About receiving millions of > pageviews a day, even 1KB of extra characters on a page can result in > huge transfers. By cutting out things like alt tags and quotes they can > save a lot of money. > > 2. Compatibility - The audience for About Web pages is huge, and moving > to more modern HTML variants like XHTML 1.0 and CSS positioning will > make it more difficult for older browsers to view the pages. The reason for these answers are quite obviously because they don't want to tell everyone the real reason which is that there all wysiwyg monkeys and don't know any better :-P *dons flame suit* -- Aaron Tate ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
