Re: [WSG] Is a list required for horizontal navigation?
Hi All
Been lurking for a while and finally got round to posting. So here goes;
One advantage of the unordered list approach would be that you can
eliminate quite a bit of your code (moving it to the css), as well as it
being maybe more semantically correct (it is a 'list' of links after all).
Go for something like:
ul id=navbar
lia href=/index.htm title=HomeHome/a/li
lia href=/press-room/press-room.htm title=Press RoomPress
Room/a/li
lia href=/sitemap.htm title=Site MapSite Map/a/li
lia href=/contact.htm title=Contact UsContact Us/a/li
/ul
Note that its alot shorter. To get your custom bullets:
ul#navbar li {
list-style-image: url('url-of-image.gif');
}
To get them to form a horizontal line:
ul#navbar li {
display: inline;
}
and style the links themselves with:
ul#navbar li a {
}
ul#navbar li a:hover {
}
Rather than assigning lots of classes to individual links try use the
cascading part of the style sheets - so 'ul#navbar li a' means (read it
backwards) a link inside a list item inside an unordered list with the
id of navbar.
Another quick point that took me a while to get round to (ie. I kept
confusing myself!). Try use things like mainnavbar or primarynavbar for
the id's. If you go for topnavbar, and then later decide to put it on
the left or right your styles get confusing!
Hope that helps!
Gareth
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Good morning mates,
I have a navigation bar with four links that uses a style sheet to control
it's placement and presentation at the top of my site, but I did not place
them in a Unordered List because the links naturally align themselves
horizontally.
Therefore, I thought I'd ask if this is considered semantically correct?
I've eliminated unnecessary markup, and used a style sheet to control the
menu's presentation. The id controls the placement, and the class styles
the links:
div id=container
a href=/index.htm class=topnavbar title=HomeHome/a
img src=/Images/markers/bullet.gif width=8 height=8 alt= /
a href=/press-room/press-room.htm class=topnavbar title=Press
RoomPress Room/a
img src=/Images/markers/bullet.gif width=8 height=8 alt= /
a href=/sitemap.htm class=topnavbar title=Site MapSite Map/a
img src=/Images/markers/bullet.gif width=8 height=8 alt= /
a href=/contact.htm class=topnavbar title=Contact UsContact Us/a
/div
Respectfully,
Mario S. Cisneros
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RE: [WSG] design of Macromedia site
Thank you very much. I will take a look. Sure sounds like it, though I hope I don't have to purchase the article.. ByteDreams From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of csslistSent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 9:58 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: re: [WSG] design of Macromedia site not sure which 1 ur talking bout but communitymx.com showed how to do it this week Recreating Macromedia's LayoutMacromedia's current web site layout contains two effects that are very popular today: equal-height columns and rounded corners on columns and boxes. When these two effects are combined, it creates a slick and impressive looking web site. Although there are numerous articles out there describing how to achieve both of these effects in CSS, there is not much written about how to achieve both of them in conjunction. Surprisingly, the effect can be quite simple to achieve, as our deconstruction of Macromedia's site will reveal. We'll show you how they achieve this layout feat, then describe an alternative way to produce the rounded corner effect that is more streamlined. Sendhttp://www.communitymx.com/abstract.cfm?cid=AC5ACif ur not a member it will cost ya a few bucks but well worth it, they have been putting on lots of this stuff lately From: "ByteDreams" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:56 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] design of Macromedia siteA long while back I ran across an article someplace explaining how thosecontent boxes and the images on macromedia's website were created. I lovethis style, and was looking for a similar tutorial. Anyone know?Thanks ByteDreams**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help**
RE: [WSG] List Indenting
I am still struggling with the list indenting, I have started building my page from scratch piece by piece and it seems when I change the position attribute from absolute to relative the list indents, anyone ever come across this before ? Page for reference: http://www.speakupnow.ca/wu/index1.php Cheers, Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vicki Berry Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 3:25 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] List Indenting Hi Paul, Ah, gotcha now. I wasn't seeing the problem as I was viewing in Firefox. Safari is fine, it's just MacIE. It's nearly 3am here and I'm battling to stay awake, but I had started to play with your code. Floating the ul left removes the problem with the list, but causes other problems. :-\ I'm going to call it a night now... hopefully someone else will spot the solution soon! Good luck with it... I totally understand the frustration. :-( Vicki. :-) Paul wrote: Thanks Vicki I will take a look at those margins but the problem I am currently after is only happening when I view on a MAC, the links in the body, everything after the 1st link indents 20-30 px to the rightvery frustrating. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] List Indenting
Sorry to be badgering the indented list but I have just put only the lists into my container and have the same properties for both lists, just different names, yet one indents and one does not. Anyone, anyone ? Page for reference: http://www.speakupnow.ca/wu/index1.php Ha ha, Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 3:16 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] List Indenting I am still struggling with the list indenting, I have started building my page from scratch piece by piece and it seems when I change the position attribute from absolute to relative the list indents, anyone ever come across this before ? Page for reference: http://www.speakupnow.ca/wu/index1.php Cheers, Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vicki Berry Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 3:25 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] List Indenting Hi Paul, Ah, gotcha now. I wasn't seeing the problem as I was viewing in Firefox. Safari is fine, it's just MacIE. It's nearly 3am here and I'm battling to stay awake, but I had started to play with your code. Floating the ul left removes the problem with the list, but causes other problems. :-\ I'm going to call it a night now... hopefully someone else will spot the solution soon! Good luck with it... I totally understand the frustration. :-( Vicki. :-) Paul wrote: Thanks Vicki I will take a look at those margins but the problem I am currently after is only happening when I view on a MAC, the links in the body, everything after the 1st link indents 20-30 px to the rightvery frustrating. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] List Indenting
On 2/7/05 8:14 AM, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry to be badgering the indented list but I have just put only the
lists into my container and have the same properties for both lists,
just different names, yet one indents and one does not. Anyone, anyone ?
Page for reference: http://www.speakupnow.ca/wu/index1.php
Ha ha,
Paul
Paul,
You still have a link to your external style sheet (with #mainnavlinks {
left : 21px;}) as well as your embedded styles.
Sarah
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Re: [WSG] Web app guidance/site comment
nice work :o) you can get a badge! http://images.google.com/images?q=w3c+validationimgsz=iconhl=enlr=ie=UTF -8rls=GGLC,GGLC:1970-01,GGLC:enstart=20sa=N :o) R - Original Message - From: Brendan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 7:21 PM Subject: [WSG] Web app guidance/site comment Greetings all, I'm currently working on a web app that I have created in as much of a web standards karma giving way as I can muster. If I could get some feed back on this little number from the crowd out there I would be most greatful. General tips and pointers are what I'm after. If you look closely enough it might be blatantly obvious who this project is for. Ok, if you're from Sydney Australia and drive a car/have a license that is. https://monitor.hpa.com.au/rta/ https://monitor.hpa.com.au/rta/ This is in no way a live product, and for the most part are just a bunch of static HTML files. Expect no magic within! Or live database for that matter. I have managed to keep the majority of pages valid in both HTML and CSS. (When I typed that I felt I should get a badge or something?) The only quirk I have with it is how some tables will wrap/drop below the menu on IE in tight areas (narrow your browser on the home page). Is this to be expected? Thanks in advance for your time... Brendan ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Web app guidance/site comment
https://monitor.hpa.com.au/rta/ Strange... looks fine in Firefox 0.9.3 (Mac OSX) but in IE5.2, it's completely unstyled! Regards, Jonathan Cooper Manager of Information / Website Art Gallery of New South Wales Sydney, Australia http://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au - Original Message - From: Brendan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 7:21 PM Subject: [WSG] Web app guidance/site comment Greetings all, I'm currently working on a web app that I have created in as much of a web standards karma giving way as I can muster. If I could get some feed back on this little number from the crowd out there I would be most greatful. General tips and pointers are what I'm after. If you look closely enough it might be blatantly obvious who this project is for. Ok, if you're from Sydney Australia and drive a car/have a license that is. https://monitor.hpa.com.au/rta/ https://monitor.hpa.com.au/rta/ This is in no way a live product, and for the most part are just a bunch of static HTML files. Expect no magic within! Or live database for that matter. I have managed to keep the majority of pages valid in both HTML and CSS. (When I typed that I felt I should get a badge or something?) The only quirk I have with it is how some tables will wrap/drop below the menu on IE in tight areas (narrow your browser on the home page). Is this to be expected? Thanks in advance for your time... ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] List Indenting
Perfect, Thanks Sarah!
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Behalf Of Sarah Wedde
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To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] List Indenting
On 2/7/05 8:14 AM, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry to be badgering the indented list but I have just put only the
lists into my container and have the same properties for both lists,
just different names, yet one indents and one does not. Anyone, anyone
?
Page for reference: http://www.speakupnow.ca/wu/index1.php
Ha ha,
Paul
Paul,
You still have a link to your external style sheet (with #mainnavlinks {
left : 21px;}) as well as your embedded styles.
Sarah
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[WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11
Hi, I am in the process of building a template for a page of search results. The rest of the website is XHTML Strict so I'm having to code it this way. Had I been doing it with HTML Transitional or similar, I would have displayed a second page of results as follows: ol start=11liFirst result/li liSecond.../li ... /ol Which would produce: 11. First result 12. Second... ... Do you have any suggestions as to how I could achieve a similar effect with XHTML Strict? I was thinking of using a CSS counter but I wasn't sure how that would play with several pages of dynamic results. Many thanks, -- Ian Fenn Chopstix Media http://www.chopstixmedia.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] colour contrast analyser
Andreas Boehmer wrote: But it seems you cannot manually enter HEX codes? you can now! with regards Steven Faulkner Web Accessibility Consultant National Information Library Service (NILS) 454 Glenferrie Road Kooyong Victoria 3144 Phone: (613) 9864 9281 Fax: (613) 9864 9210 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] National Information Library Service A subsidiary of RBS.RVIB.VAF Ltd. |-+ | | Andreas Boehmer| | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | dia.com.au | | | Sent by: | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | p.org| | || | || | | 04/02/2005 04:45 PM | | | Please respond to wsg| | || |-+ ---| | | | To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org | | cc: | | Subject: Re: [WSG] colour contrast analyser | ---| a colour contrast analyser, useful for checking foreground background colour combinations is now available. (http://www.nils.org.au/ais/web/resources/contrast_analyser/index.html) I like it. The colour picker is useful. But it seems you cannot manually enter HEX codes? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11
Ian Fenn wrote: Had I been doing it with HTML Transitional or similar, I would have displayed a second page of results as follows: ol start=11liFirst result/li liSecond.../li ... /ol Do you have any suggestions as to how I could achieve a similar effect with XHTML Strict? I was thinking of using a CSS counter but I wasn't sure how that would play with several pages of dynamic results. The painful answer is: you're supposed to do it via CSS, but unfortunately support for counters is spotty at best...so you're left with either reverting to transitional, or writing your own DTD. -- Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Web app guidance/site comment
Your :hover changes on menus create a contrast shift that is far too small. In short, make the :hover background lighter and text darker so we can still read the menu :) On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:21:31 +1100, Brendan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings all, I'm currently working on a web app that I have created in as much of a web standards karma giving way as I can muster. If I could get some feed back on this little number from the crowd out there I would be most greatful. General tips and pointers are what I'm after. If you look closely enough it might be blatantly obvious who this project is for. Ok, if you're from Sydney Australia and drive a car/have a license that is. https://monitor.hpa.com.au/rta/ https://monitor.hpa.com.au/rta/ This is in no way a live product, and for the most part are just a bunch of static HTML files. Expect no magic within! Or live database for that matter. I have managed to keep the majority of pages valid in both HTML and CSS. (When I typed that I felt I should get a badge or something?) The only quirk I have with it is how some tables will wrap/drop below the menu on IE in tight areas (narrow your browser on the home page). Is this to be expected? Thanks in advance for your time... Brendan -- http://leftjustified.net/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Another plea for help: FF1.0 render problem
Hello, I posted a few days ago, about this puzzler. Didn't get a response. I REALLY need some help with this from you gurus. I primarily code for Firefox, then check other browsers, then IE6. The majority of users who will view the pages on this site are IE users, however, the fact that I see this rendering problem on the Gecko browsers is really bothering me. The pages validate XHTML 1.1; CSS validation comes back with no errors. I use the same style sheet for both pages. Both pages reference the same DIVs for navigation and the content area. For some reason that I can't fathom, the events page shows a gap between the nav bar (nav) and the content area (containall). The home page does not show this gap. I've checked and rechecked, changed this and that, to no avail. This only appears to be a problem with Firefox and other Gecko browsers (Opera too). IE6 renders fine. Can anyone please help me figure this out? URL for problem page: http://www.theonlineworks.com/test/wiscrad/events.html URL for CSS: http://www.theonlineworks.com/test/wiscrad/css/mainstyles.css The links for the dates on the calendars are not working yet; I haven't set them up -- I'm too hung up on this issue right now. If anyone can help, I'd be s thankful. Leslie Riggs ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11
Quoting Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The painful answer is: you're supposed to do it via CSS, but unfortunately support for counters is spotty at best...so you're left with either reverting to transitional, or writing your own DTD. Hmm... Thanks Patrick. Neither of these are really an option. I guess I could use a table... in this context do you think it would be acceptable? All the best, -- Ian Fenn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11
Ian Fenn wrote: I guess I could use a table... in this context do you think it would be acceptable? I'd give that a tentative yes (while putting on my flame-proof piyamas), if the number has some sort of meaning. Heck, even if it denotes order or position I'd go with it. table thead th scope=colposition/th th scope=colresult/th /thead tbody tr td11/td tdfirst result/td /tr tr td12/td tdsecond result/td /tr /tbody /table -- Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Another plea for help: FF1.0 render problem
Hi Leslie Your problem occurs when you have the border-top: 0; after the border statement. If you take this out, it then works the same as in other browsers, strange I know. Hope this helps. Cheers Jeff Lowder Accessibility 1st Ph: 02 9570 9875 Mobile: 0419 350 760 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.accessibility1st.com.au From: Leslie Riggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 18:35:58 -0600 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Another plea for help: FF1.0 render problem Hello, I posted a few days ago, about this puzzler. Didn't get a response. I REALLY need some help with this from you gurus. I primarily code for Firefox, then check other browsers, then IE6. The majority of users who will view the pages on this site are IE users, however, the fact that I see this rendering problem on the Gecko browsers is really bothering me. The pages validate XHTML 1.1; CSS validation comes back with no errors. I use the same style sheet for both pages. Both pages reference the same DIVs for navigation and the content area. For some reason that I can't fathom, the events page shows a gap between the nav bar (nav) and the content area (containall). The home page does not show this gap. I've checked and rechecked, changed this and that, to no avail. This only appears to be a problem with Firefox and other Gecko browsers (Opera too). IE6 renders fine. Can anyone please help me figure this out? URL for problem page: http://www.theonlineworks.com/test/wiscrad/events.html URL for CSS: http://www.theonlineworks.com/test/wiscrad/css/mainstyles.css The links for the dates on the calendars are not working yet; I haven't set them up -- I'm too hung up on this issue right now. If anyone can help, I'd be s thankful. Leslie Riggs ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] colour contrast analyser
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Boehmer wrote: But it seems you cannot manually enter HEX codes? you can now! Nice, it is much more useful now. Think this would come in handy in future development projects. National Information Library Service (NILS) By the way, great name ;) -- nils nethack.uib.no ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Another plea for help: FF1.0 render problem
Thank you!! That is a really bizarre quirk, even more so that it works without rendering issues popping up in the other browsers. I shall sleep much better tonight, and have a good report for the client in the morning. Is this a Gecko bug, I wonder? Thanks again. Leslie Riggs Hi Leslie Your problem occurs when you have the border-top: 0; after the border statement. If you take this out, it then works the same as in other browsers, strange I know. Hope this helps. Cheers Jeff Lowder Accessibility 1st Ph: 02 9570 9875 Mobile: 0419 350 760 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.accessibility1st.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Is a list required for horizontal navigation?
Hi It would be better to float your list elements rather than set display : inline; on them. inline is better for text within a paragraph - phrase elements. With inline, your li's will be broken up over multiple lines if the line break (by containing box width etc) occurs within them. With floats each list elements that don't have enough room to fit in on the line will go to the next line. Much easier to read. Also setting width etc on inline elements is inadvisable (see CSS2 recommendation). HTH James ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Problem with floats and clears
f I have clear:left on something, should it escape its container div? A lousy explanation I know, an example is here: http://www.gfunk007.com/stuff/test.html the results I want are like this: http://www.gfunk007.com/stuff/expected.gif am I missing some vital css, or can it simply not be done without tables? -Josh -- So come and join us all you kids for lots of fun and laughter While Roger Ramjet and his men get all the crooks they're after [ Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald ] -- [ Pirion Systems, Brisbane] [ 07 3257 0490 ] -- [ 0437 221 380 ] -- [ http://www.gfunk007.com/ ] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Problem with floats and clears
Ah yes of course, cheers :) And now I see the solution, I remember I'd already solved it for a site I did a couple of months ago :-/ On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:51:25 -0500, Zachary Hopkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hiya! Try this: http://69.174.31.29:90/wsg/test.html I added two divs - One that floats left to contain your purple and orange boxes, and another that clears everything to keep the green inside the blue. I've marked lines I've added with !-- ### -- I'm not 100% sure if it's the best way to do it, but it does work. :-) --Zachary Josh McDonald wrote: f I have clear:left on something, should it escape its container div? A lousy explanation I know, an example is here: http://www.gfunk007.com/stuff/test.html the results I want are like this: http://www.gfunk007.com/stuff/expected.gif am I missing some vital css, or can it simply not be done without tables? -Josh -- The best way to predict the future is to invent it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hopkinsprogramming.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- So come and join us all you kids for lots of fun and laughter While Roger Ramjet and his men get all the crooks they're after [ Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald ] -- [ Pirion Systems, Brisbane] [ 07 3257 0490 ] -- [ 0437 221 380 ] -- [ http://www.gfunk007.com/ ] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
