Re: [WSG] FOUC Safari 2.0

2005-06-15 Thread Roger Johansson
On 16 jun 2005, at 04.23, Chris Kennon wrote: Has anyone any idea if the FOUC in Safari 2.0 is remedied with similar methods to IE? Safari's FOUC was introduced in 1.3/2.0 and seems to mostly appear on pages that have Google ads. Apple are aware of the problem, so I'm hoping a fix will b

Re: [WSG] Online screen viewer

2005-06-15 Thread Steven . Faulkner
>Is there free online screen reader like Delorie Lynx Viewer available that allows to test sites? this one does: http://www.yellowpipe.com/yis/tools/lynx/lynx_viewer.php with regards Steven Faulkner Web Accessibility Consultant National Information & Library Service (NILS) 454 Glenferrie Road K

Re: [WSG] and : accessibility usage?

2005-06-15 Thread Geoff Deering
Alan Trick wrote: Acording to the WHAT-WG the element does have semantic meaning. I don't have the link though. They basically said that it was good for things like 'small print' and such cases. I think is an unusal case here and is meanigful and useful. Alan Trick I think that when we

Re: [WSG] FOUC Safari 2.0

2005-06-15 Thread Bert Doorn
Dmitry Baranovskiy wrote: Sorry, what is FOUC? Google is your friend... But to help you on the right track, it's a "Flash of Unstyled Content". Basically, the page displays as plain, unformatted HTML, before the CSS is fully loaded. CSS kicks in after a while and the page is then display

Re: [WSG] FOUC Safari 2.0

2005-06-15 Thread Dmitry Baranovskiy
Lea de Groot wrote: On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:23:12 -0700, Chris Kennon wrote: Has anyone any idea if the FOUC in Safari 2.0 is remedied with similar methods to IE? You see it too? I thought it was an oddity of my setup! No, I haven't found a way to get rid of it :( Lea Sorry, what

Re: [WSG] site check w3planet.info

2005-06-15 Thread Alan Trick
Nice site, 2 notes though. You may want to add a:focus{color:white}, several of the links go *completely* blue if you focus on them, a problem if your using tab a lot. Also, there's a little problem in firefox on page to. I looks like a float bug. It's probably firefox's fault but just letting yo

Re: [WSG] FOUC Safari 2.0

2005-06-15 Thread Lea de Groot
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:23:12 -0700, Chris Kennon wrote: > Has anyone any idea if the FOUC in Safari 2.0 is remedied with > similar methods to IE? You see it too? I thought it was an oddity of my setup! No, I haven't found a way to get rid of it :( Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - I Underst

Re: [WSG] and : accessibility usage?

2005-06-15 Thread Alan Trick
Acording to the WHAT-WG the element does have semantic meaning. I don't have the link though. They basically said that it was good for things like 'small print' and such cases. I think is an unusal case here and is meanigful and useful. Alan Trick Matt Thommes wrote: > Is there any reason at al

[WSG] FOUC Safari 2.0

2005-06-15 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, Has anyone any idea if the FOUC in Safari 2.0 is remedied with similar methods to IE? CK ___ "An ideal is merely the projection, on an enormously enlarged scale, of some aspect of personality." Aldus Huxley

Re: [WSG] Online screen viewer

2005-06-15 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
tee wrote: Roberto, thank you for the link, too bad the installer for PC only. I am on Mac. If by Mac you mean OS X, rather than OS 9, have a look at this http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/unix_open_source/lynx.html Testing in web based emulators is nice, but they usually can't emulate

[WSG] css problem - navigation bar

2005-06-15 Thread hunter_c
Hi I realise you may all become frustrated with first time web site developers' problems, but please know that I'd really appreciate any help you may be able to provide. I'm developing my first site - trying to teach myself css - and have encountered some browser incompatablity mostly r

Re: [WSG] Online screen viewer

2005-06-15 Thread tee
> I'm not sure if it is another version of Lynx with a free installer that > you are looking for... I used the one you can find here: > http://csant.info/lynx.htm > > Roberto > Roberto, thank you for the link, too bad the installer for PC only. I am on Mac. tee *

Re: [WSG] Online screen viewer

2005-06-15 Thread tee
> > You can always install lynx yourself... binaries are available for most > platforms. > Terrence, Thanks and yes I aware of lynx, I tried to install once from source with no success. Anything that requires me to run from Terminals destines to fail. I was look for something similar to Del

Re: [WSG] Online screen viewer

2005-06-15 Thread Steven . Faulkner
>Is there free online screen reader like Delorie Lynx Viewer available that allows to test sites? this one does: http://www.yellowpipe.com/yis/tools/lynx/lynx_viewer.php with regards Steven Faulkner Web Accessibility Consultant National Information & Library Service (NILS) 454 Glenferrie Road

Re: [WSG] Online screen viewer

2005-06-15 Thread Roberto Gorjão
Tee, I'm not sure if it is another version of Lynx with a free installer that you are looking for... I used the one you can find here: http://csant.info/lynx.htm Roberto tee wrote: Is there free online screen reader like Delorie Lynx Viewer available that allows to test sites? Delorie Lyn

Re: [WSG] site check w3planet.info

2005-06-15 Thread Jad Madi
Colin Steele I would recommend not having ::Web Design References:: for 14 different areas of web design. These should be made into the sub headings of Usability, XML, Typography etc. unfortenatuly I cannot control that, I just syndicate their feed Bruce An "About" page would be nice. added to my

Re: [WSG] Online screen viewer

2005-06-15 Thread Terrence Wood
You can always install lynx yourself... binaries are available for most platforms. regards Terrence Wood. On 16 Jun 2005, at 3:16 AM, tee wrote: Is there free online screen reader like Delorie Lynx Viewer available that allows to test sites? Delorie Lynx Viewer required user to have a delo

Re: [WSG] PNG support

2005-06-15 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Tom Livingston wrote: Has any headway been made as far as hacks/filters go? I found the JS and PHP solutions... is that it? The .htc behaviour for IE is probably the slickest way around if you want PNG24 support. http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=htc+png -- Patrick H. Lauke ___

[WSG] PNG support

2005-06-15 Thread Tom Livingston
Hi list, yeah. this again... Has any headway been made as far as hacks/filters go? I found the JS and PHP solutions... is that it? TIA Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com --- www.browsehappy.com ** The dis

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-15 Thread Gene Falck
Hi Bert, You wrote: Or what about simple normal every-day headings? We can go up to 6 levels deep with them... I guess it all depends on the application. I think you nailed it--in a sense, **any** linear sequence is a "list" whether or not clarity can be helped by using markup to call out a

Re: [WSG] the use of reset buttons on forms

2005-06-15 Thread Ben Curtis
But I am getting the feeling that the reset button is not only a waste of time, but in fact fairly user-unfriendly. ... Seriously: how many people enter data into a form and go so completely wrong that they want to erase everything they have just done and start over new? On the other hand, how

[WSG] Conferences on Standards and Accessibility

2005-06-15 Thread Christopher M Kelly
Title: Conferences on Standards and Accessibility Hello, all.   Hope this is not OT to the list.  Is anyone aware of any conferences in the United States focused on accessible Web design with Standards?  I know there are some good ones overseas in Europe, Australia, and Japan, but have found

[WSG] Online screen viewer

2005-06-15 Thread tee
Is there free online screen reader like Delorie Lynx Viewer available that allows to test sites? Delorie Lynx Viewer required user to have a delorie.html file in the server, this is only good for my own project testing but sometimes I need to help friends to test their sites. Regards, Tee *

Re: [WSG] Encoding, charsets and entities...

2005-06-15 Thread Dejan Kozina
Hi Roberto. As long as you can input the characters directly utf-8 is a big time-saver. It makes for more readable code to boot. Since the demise of NN4 it is supported on all browsers around. If you use a web-based form to submit content and the page is declared as utf-8, you can copy and past

[WSG] Doug Bowman audio recording from Reboot 7.0, Copenhagen June 11

2005-06-15 Thread Soren Johannessen
Hi all You can now listen to Doug Bowman -Design as a Standard- from the Reboot 7 conference in Copenhagen June 11th 2005 The audio file 46min. 47 sec. (.mp4 format / 49.2M) can be found at The Internet Archive http://www.archive.org/audio/audio-details-db.php?collection=opensource_audio&c

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-15 Thread John Allsopp
Bert, Patrick and all. The issue of semantics, presentation and accessibility for legislation is a really good example of the genuine social importance of what people like members of WSG do. The law is central to our society. We probably all know the maxim "ignorance of the law is no defenc

[WSG] Encoding, charsets and entities...

2005-06-15 Thread Roberto Gorjão
Hi, I’m trying to understand the pros and cons of different charset encodings and I would like to know what your experience tells you about this subject, notably: * Unicode encoding (UTF-8) seems to be more efficient than ISO charsets (iso-8859-1): It covers all the languages in a sin

RE: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-15 Thread Joshua Street
On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 10:10 +0100, Patrick Lauke wrote: > I think that this (particularly the "legal document" case) is a > scenario in which we have to recognise that there *is* no widely supported > semantic equivalent. I'd agree with this statement, however, in terms of structuring your content

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-15 Thread John Allsopp
Bert, Or what about simple normal every-day headings? We can go up to 6 levels deep with them... I guess it all depends on the application. I think using headings is a very good suggestion. In legislation, the numbered entries we are talking about are indeed headings for sections, sub s

RE: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-15 Thread Patrick Lauke
> Bert Doorn > I don't have access to jaws or the like, but what about > semantics? Is it an unordered list made to look like an ordered > list, or an ordered list using the wrong element? I seem to remember, from my days with JAWS 4, that it would be read out as "List with 3 itemsbullet;

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-15 Thread Bert Doorn
Paul Novitski wrote: What about using ULs in this case? (That's how I originally marked up my example; should have left it like that!) How would a screen-reader read this: 1 - Aardvark 2 - Banshee 3 - Cicada I don't have acc

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-15 Thread Paul Novitski
At 12:54 AM 6/15/2005, Bert Doorn wrote: G'day Paul Novitski wrote: I would argue that this is perfectly good markup & styling: 1 - Aardvark 2 - Banshee 3 - Cicada and then: ol li { list-style-type

Re: [WSG] the use of reset buttons on forms

2005-06-15 Thread Justin Carter
i think Reset buttons can have their merits depending on the context of their use. think of an application where a user is Editing data in a form, not starting with a blank form!   - the user is wanting to change 2 fields in a customer record, an address and a phone number... - they change an addre

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-15 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day Paul Novitski wrote: I would argue that this is perfectly good markup & styling: 1 - Aardvark 2 - Banshee 3 - Cicada and then: ol li { list-style-type: none; } Question... How

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-15 Thread Paul Novitski
At 05:05 PM 6/14/2005, Richard Czeiger wrote: Wondering how we can get CSS to specifity the spearator used in ordered lists (ie: the thing between the list item number and the value of the list item). For example... 1. a) 1 - a: I would argue that this is perfectly g

Re: [WSG] the use of reset buttons on forms

2005-06-15 Thread Chris Stratford
I hate them. I can't even tell you how many times I have tabbed my way through a huge form, got to the bottom. tab, enter. **realises its the reset button** **smacks myself in the head** I often click the reset/cancel button - but I have NEVER EVER wanted to! They are not useful at all! Sinc