RE: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners
John, If they want to be coders, then send them straight to the source, and show them how to find the specs: http://www.w3.org/ Particularly: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/ and: http://validator.w3.org/ Geoff. > -Original Message- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, 29 August 2005 10:14 AM > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners > > > I'll shortly be teaching a class in HTML basics. > > I'm confident in teaching them the *absolute* basics, but if the > people in the class want to go on to be coders, which online > resources would you recommend? > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners
John Allsopp wrote: John, you are probably lucky you got one :-) Just to note that we've got fourteen posts and only three recommendations of online resources... there are loads of me too sites, I guess the one I'd really recommend is http://www.htmlhelp.com/ Like many of he best sites, an oldie but a real goodie. It has spawned many imitators. ok, here's another one. ascii codes: http://www.ascii.cl/htmlcodes.htm dwain -- dwain alford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alforddesigngroup.com The Savior replied; "There is no such thing as sin;..." 'The Gospel of Mary of Magdala' ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners
John, you are probably lucky you got one :-) Just to note that we've got fourteen posts and only three recommendations of online resources... there are loads of me too sites, I guess the one I'd really recommend is http://www.htmlhelp.com/ Like many of he best sites, an oldie but a real goodie. It has spawned many imitators. j John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher :: http://blogs.westciv.com/dog_or_higher Web Essentials web development conference http://we05.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners
Just to note that we've got fourteen posts and only three recommendations of online resources... "Have You Validated Your Code?" John Horner(+612 / 02) 8333 3488 Developer, ABC Kids Onlinehttp://www.abc.net.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners
Gene Falck wrote: Hi Dwain, You wrote: some people refer to as a p tag, but it is the element. Since someone might wish to refer to the tag as written in the page coding or to refer to the paragraph element itself both possibilities seem open. IMO a lack of precision is likely to result from allowing only one referential mode. i see what you mean, then it is the usage of the term rather than naming the element? tag? or the tag is the , and the element is the content? dwain -- dwain alford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alforddesigngroup.com The Savior replied; "There is no such thing as sin;..." 'The Gospel of Mary of Magdala' ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners
Gene, Since someone might wish to refer to the tag as written in the page coding or to refer to the paragraph element itself both possibilities seem open. IMO a lack of precision is likely to result from allowing only one referential mode. I agree is a tag (start tag) is a tag (end tag) is an element Also, the distinction is between the syntax of HTML (tags) and the structural aspects of the document (elements) This distinction, though is some senses subtle, is important to understand, and should be introduced as early as possible when teaching HTML (IMHO) john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher :: http://blogs.westciv.com/dog_or_higher Web Essentials web development conference http://we05.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners
Hi Dwain, You wrote: some people refer to as a p tag, but it is the element. Hmm. I agree that when someone refers to an "alt tag" it is wrong since alt is an attribute of the img tag. I am not sure what you mean in your distinction between the "p tag" and "element" implying that only "element" is proper. Since someone might wish to refer to the tag as written in the page coding or to refer to the paragraph element itself both possibilities seem open. IMO a lack of precision is likely to result from allowing only one referential mode. Regards, Gene Falck [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners
> From: Bert Doorn > > Always refer to elements and attributes to avoid confusion. > Elements have attributes, they don't have tags and are not tags. I always understood it as below: Paragraph element Opening tag of the Paragraph element Closing tag of the Paragraph element -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners
Excellent! Ah, I see. Good point. I will remember to make that distinction! j John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher :: http://blogs.westciv.com/dog_or_higher Web Essentials web development conference http://we05.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners
Tags? There's elements and attributes. Consider "The title tag" - are we referring to the title element or a title attribute? There's also the cite element and attribute and there may be some more but these two come to mind straight-away. Always refer to elements and attributes to avoid confusion. Elements have attributes, they don't have tags and are not tags. Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners
they refer to tags when they mean "elements". Ah, I see. Good point. I will remember to make that distinction! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: make sure they never use the term "tag" incorrectly :-) some people refer to as a p tag, but it is the element. sorry i misunderstood your question. dwain -- dwain alford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alforddesigngroup.com The Savior replied; "There is no such thing as sin;..." 'The Gospel of Mary of Magdala' ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners
John make sure they never use the term "tag" incorrectly :-) Not quite sure what you mean by that! Do you mean how people always refer to "Alt tags"? Or something else? yeah, they do that And they refer to tags when they mean "elements". Now, it might seem pedantic, but we are dealing with computers, so precision is important. an example of when it makes a significant difference is illustrated by the following Which of these is correct "the caption element comes directly after the table tag" "the caption element comes directly after the table element" john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher :: http://blogs.westciv.com/dog_or_higher Web Essentials web development conference http://we05.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners
make sure they never use the term "tag" incorrectly :-) Not quite sure what you mean by that! Do you mean how people always refer to "Alt tags"? Or something else? "Have You Validated Your Code?" John Horner(+612 / 02) 8333 3488 Developer, ABC Kids Onlinehttp://www.abc.net.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners
Herrod, Lisa wrote: I think this is pretty good and easy to follow: http://www.w3schools.com/ Also I know Westciv have just begun their XHTML Free online tutorial, http://www.westciv.com/courses/free/index.html don't forget html writer's guild. http://www.hwg.org/ dwain -- dwain alford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alforddesigngroup.com The Savior replied; "There is no such thing as sin;..." 'The Gospel of Mary of Magdala' ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners
John, I'm confident in teaching them the *absolute* basics, but if the people in the class want to go on to be coders, which online resources would you recommend? not quite what you asked, but make sure you get them to understand doctypes, and standards versus quirks mode (I know it sounds advanced, but basically, no one knows about this stuff, and it bites them sooner rather than later) make sure they know what validation is all about make sure they never use the term "tag" incorrectly :-) all the best, john John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher :: http://blogs.westciv.com/dog_or_higher Web Essentials web development conference http://we05.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners
I think this is pretty good and easy to follow: http://www.w3schools.com/ Also I know Westciv have just begun their XHTML Free online tutorial, http://www.westciv.com/courses/free/index.html Lisa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 29 August 2005 10:14 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners I'll shortly be teaching a class in HTML basics. I'm confident in teaching them the *absolute* basics, but if the people in the class want to go on to be coders, which online resources would you recommend? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
[WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners
I'll shortly be teaching a class in HTML basics. I'm confident in teaching them the *absolute* basics, but if the people in the class want to go on to be coders, which online resources would you recommend? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] absolute positioning in IE
Ingo Chao skrev: Anders Nawroth wrote: http://cms3.nawroth.com/testsidor/filer/testpage.html For disappearing a.p. boxes, see http://www.brunildo.org/test/IE_raf3.html Your testpage shows the problem listed as Example 1 The fix is to rearrange the html, or by inserting an empty box, see the subsequent examples. Thanks for the link. The solution was to add a clearing box (in conditional comments, by the way) after the AP box. And I fixed the validation error too ... (thanks for pointing that out, dwain!) /AndersN ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] absolute positioning in IE
Anders Nawroth wrote: Kenny Graham skrev: Make sure the page validates. IE should render that fine unless it's in quirks mode. If it validates and still doesnt work, post a link and I'll have a look. The pages render in CSS1Compat (standards) mode. you have one error in your html. hth, dwain -- dwain alford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alforddesigngroup.com The Savior replied; "There is no such thing as sin;..." 'The Gospel of Mary of Magdala' ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] absolute positioning in IE
Anders Nawroth wrote: http://cms3.nawroth.com/testsidor/filer/testpage.html For disappearing a.p. boxes, see http://www.brunildo.org/test/IE_raf3.html Your testpage shows the problem listed as Example 1 The fix is to rearrange the html, or by inserting an empty box, see the subsequent examples. Ingo -- http://www.satzansatz.de/css.html ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] absolute positioning in IE
Kenny Graham skrev: Make sure the page validates. IE should render that fine unless it's in quirks mode. If it validates and still doesnt work, post a link and I'll have a look. The pages render in CSS1Compat (standards) mode. A page with only "standards CSS": http://cms3.nawroth.com/testsidor/filer/testpage.html A page with some extra CSS for IE: http://cms3.nawroth.com/testsidor/filer/testpage2.html /AndersN ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] absolute positioning in IE
Make sure the page validates. IE should render that fine unless it's in quirks mode. If it validates and still doesnt work, post a link and I'll have a look.
[WSG] absolute positioning in IE
Hello! I want to position an element at the top right corner of the document (not the viewport). In standards based browsers this is easy using position: absolute; top: 0; right: 0; But the problem is, on most of the pages where I use this the positioned element disappears in IE. I can't find out what triggers this. The element is the second element in the document, so floating it right is not an option here. /AndersN ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
